Kildace said:

As I keep saying in each and every media create thread: it comes down to advertising and marketing. Microsoft never advertised its XBox and barely advertises the 360 in mainland Europe so obviously people keep buying playstations.
The day microsoft decides to truly push its console in mainland Europe, things might change.

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Hasn't Germany also banned quite a few 360 games due to violence? Seems like I remember games like Dead Rising, GoW, etc basically being shut down there (I'm sure there have been many others). With cultural differences like that, no amount of marketing is going to overcome the fact that you can't put the games out on the shelves. Its like when a movie is released in the US and is rated NC17 - it is going to have a limited market.

Jokeropia said:

In terms of installed bases of this generation's consoles (estimation pieced together from various PRs and articles), the total sales (Wii+360+PS3) are approximately twice as large in UK as it is in Spain and Germany combined. This report has the UK at a 32.8% EU software sales share in 2005 (Germany 17.9% and Spain 7.6%), and this likely includes PC software since Germany would be significantly lower otherwise.

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you did make it up. All that report says is 33% in 2005 of software sales in Western Europe. So at best, UK is around 30% of Europe.

Considering how PS3 was doing same business in UK for 2007 as 360, before the price drop, it is pretty clear who will be 2007 winner between Sony and MS.

Kildace said:

As I keep saying in each and every media create thread: it comes down to advertising and marketing. Microsoft never advertised its XBox and barely advertises the 360 in mainland Europe so obviously people keep buying playstations.

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I've seen WAY more 360 ads than PS3 ads. (France)

Arsenal said:

Hasn't Germany also banned quite a few 360 games due to violence? Seems like I remember games like Dead Rising, GoW, etc basically being shut down there (I'm sure there have been many others).

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no - these games arent banned, they are just not published here and yes, its microsofts decision alone - because they dont want (like sony) games for their system out there, which dont have a usk seal.

Frillen said:

Germany is a bigger game market than Spain. Way bigger.

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Perhaps, but Germany is PC and DS land, the home consoles only hold a small fraction of the German market.

brain_stew said:

Perhaps, but Germany is PC and DS land, the home consoles only hold a small fraction of the German market.

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Kind of... Consoles wise, Spain has more sales than Germany (from 2006, Spain had bid surge in sales in 2006).

If we check following:

Germany

01. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
02. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
03. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PC)
04. The Witcher (PC)
05. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
06. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
07. Anno 1701 (PC)
08. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
09. FIFA 08 (PS2)
10. More Brain Training (DS)

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We will see that even PS3 version of PES 2008 is outselling PC version. Only 3 out of 10 titles are for PC.

spwolf said:

Kind of... Consoles wise, Spain has more sales than Germany (from 2006, Spain had bid surge in sales in 2006).

If we check following:



We will see that even PS3 version of PES 2008 is outselling PC version. Only 3 out of 10 titles are for PC.

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I think that has more to do with FIFA and PES just launching than anything else, if you looked at the charts for a month or two ago it'd probably be very different.

Got a question that didn't seem worthy of its own thread, but it's somewhat related I guess.

Where would the latest numbers be regarding what percentage each territory in the world makes up of the worldwide game industry, with respect to game sales? A friend and I were debating what kind of weight Australia has in the worldwide picture of sales, and it spurred this curiousity on.

Thanks for any help.

Kildace said:

I work in advertising so I actually get the exact advertising expenditures. Sony has spent more than 3 times what Microsoft has spent in advertising in France . It had a very high profile advertising campaign with a teasing / revelation mechanism, it's almost always advertised inside FNAC's (france biggest "culture" retailer) and it's present in very strategical and expensive magazines like the latest redesigned Playboy.

Fun fact, Nintendo spends almost twice as much as Sony does.

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Interesting info, thx. I'm in Germany though dunno if that applies here as well, seeing that Germany was the only country with the price drop to match the PS3 launch afaik.

spwolf said:

Kind of... Consoles wise, Spain has more sales than Germany (from 2006, Spain had bid surge in sales in 2006).

If we check following:

We will see that even PS3 version of PES 2008 is outselling PC version. Only 3 out of 10 titles are for PC.

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Hate to bring it up in every PAL thread but those ngb charts are bogus. They don't match the official media create/gfk charts and are only posted on ngb and they just provide a link to the main page of media create/gfk (no charts to be had there).

spwolf said:

you did make it up. All that report says is 33% in 2005 of software sales in Western Europe. So at best, UK is around 30% of Europe.

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First of all, I wasn't the one who mentioned 40% so I don't know what you're talking about, and second of all, UK's share would likely be bigger than 32.8% if PC sales weren't counted since Germany (pre-DS anyway) would decrease significantly.

None of this changes the only fact I was claiming however, namely that UK is a bigger market than Germany and Spain combined. (And by a decent margin to boot.) Both Wii and 360 are well past a million in the UK, while the combined sales of all three consoles in Spain are only slightly over 600k and Germany, while bigger than Spain in this respect (note that total console sales are higher despite the data being two months older) still has a long way to go to match UK.

Next time, please think twice before accusing me of making stuff up.

Swedish chart:

1. Hellgate: London (PC)
2. Singstar Svenska hits Schlager (PS2)
3. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption (Wii)
4. Football Manager 2008 (PC)
5. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
6. World of Warcraft (PC)
7. Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (PC)
8. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
9. Counter-Strike 1: Anthology (PC)
10. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
11. The Sims 2 Jorden Runt (PC)
12. FIFA 08 (PS2)
13. The Witcher (PC)
14. Battlefield 2 (PC)
15. Naruto: Rise of a Ninja (360)
16. Guitar Hero 2 (PS2)
17. Warcraft III Frozen Throne (PC)
18. Richard Garriott's Tabula Rasa (PC)
19. Need for Speed Carbon (PS2)
20. Warcraft III Reign Of Chaos (PC)

Borys will be pleased...

Ceb said:

Swedish chart:

1. Hellgate: London (PC)
2. Singstar Svenska hits Schlager (PS2)
3. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption (Wii)
4. Football Manager 2008 (PC)
5. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
6. World of Warcraft (PC)
7. Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (PC)
8. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
9. Counter-Strike 1: Anthology (PC)
10. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
11. The Sims 2 Jorden Runt (PC)
12. FIFA 08 (PS2)
13. The Witcher (PC)
14. Battlefield 2 (PC)
15. Naruto: Rise of a Ninja (360)
16. Guitar Hero 2 (PS2)
17. Warcraft III Frozen Throne (PC)
18. Richard Garriott's Tabula Rasa (PC)
19. Need for Speed Carbon (PS2)
20. Warcraft III Reign Of Chaos (PC)

Borys will be pleased...

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As you can see in this chart, the reason for Hellgate:London #1 is the blizzard-love in the country. Obvious starvation for diablo 3

BAh Witcher deserves to be higher on the list. Also Metroid would be higher if you could actually find it in stores...

Went home with witcher instead after not finding metroid at four different stores here in Stockholm... Happy with witcher though!

Best positive gaming surprise(I knew RE4Wii was going to be awsome so...) of the year for me.

I know we already have some chart from Germany, but here are the seperate ones for consoles and PC:

Germany - Consoles Top 10:

1. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
2. Zelda Phantom Hourglass (NDS)
3. FIFA 08 (PS2)
4. Dr. Kawashimas Gehirn-Jogging (NDS)
5. Dr. Kawashima: Mehr Gehirn-Jogging (NDS)
6. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
7. Pokemon Diamant (NDS)
8. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
9. Practise English! (NDS)
10. High School Musical (NDS)


Germany - PC Top 10:

1. Fußball Manager 2008
2. Hellgate: London
3. Anno 1701 - Fluch des Drachen
4. The Witcher
5. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008
6. Die Siedler - Aufstieg eines Königreichs
7. Battlefield 2
8. Sims 2: Gute Reise
9. World of Warcraft
10. FIFA 08

PuppetSlave said:

BAh Witcher deserves to be higher on the list. Also Metroid would be higher if you could actually find it in stores...

Went home with witcher instead after not finding metroid at four different stores here in Stockholm... Happy with witcher though!

Best positive gaming surprise(I knew RE4Wii was going to be awsome so...) of the year for me.

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They are available online and in many stores in Sweden. (discshop.se, webhallen.se sveavägen t.ex.)

reminder said:

I know we already have some chart from Germany, but here are the seperate ones for consoles and PC

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Your charts are the new ones, also.
Thanks you and Ceb for the charts.

Finnish charts 22.10-4.11.2007.

1 UUSI Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Konami) PC PS2 PS3 Xbox360
2 2 Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (Electonic Arts) PC Xbox360
3 1 NHL 08 (Electronic Arts) PC PS2 PS3 Xbox360
4 UUSI Metroid Prime: Corruption (Nintendo) Wii
5 3 Crash Of The Titans (Vivendi Games) DS PS2 Wii Xbox360
6 UUSI Hellgate: London (Namco Bandai) PC
7 UUSI The Simpsons Videopeli / Game (Electronic Arts) DS PS2 Wii Xbox360
8 UUSI The Witcher (Atari) PC
9 7 Counter-Strike: Source (Electronic Arts) PC
10 UUSI Rottatouille / Ratatouille (THQ) DS PC PS2 PS3 PSP Wii Xbox360





DS
1 1 The Legend Of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo)
2 2 Pokémon Diamond (Nintendo)
3 3 Pokémon Pearl (Nintendo)
4 4 New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
5 5 Nintendogs Dalmatialainen (Nintendo)
6 6 Super Mario 64 (Nintendo)
7 UUSI Ratatouille (THQ)
8 RE Mario Kart (Nintendo)
9 UUSI Horsez 2 Farm Adventures (Ubisoft)
10 UUSI Donkey Kong Jungle Climber (Nintendo)





PC
1 1 Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (Electonic Arts)
2 UUSI Hellgate: London (Namco Bandai)
3 UUSI The Witcher (Atari)
4 2 Counter-Strike: Source (Electronic Arts)
5 3 The Sims 2: Matkoilla (Electronic Arts)
6 7 Football Manager 2008 (Sega)
7 UUSI Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Konami)
8 RE Battlefield 2 Complete Collection (Electronic Arts)
9 UUSI World of Warcraft: Battlechest (Vivendi)
10 UUSI Hevonen ja Poni: Ensimmäinen Ponini! (Pan Vision)





PS2
1 UUSI Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Konami)
2 2 Crash Of The Titans (Vivendi Games)
3 1 NHL 08 (Electronic Arts)
4 UUSI The Simpsons Videopeli (Electronic Arts)
5 UUSI Rottatouille (THQ)
6 5 Singstar Rock Ballads (Sony)
7 6 Singstar Legendat (Sony)
8 UUSI The Sims 2: Autiosaari (Electonic Arts)
9 UUSI Singstar R&B (Sony)
10 4 FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)





PS3
1 UUSI Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Konami)
2 1 NHL 08 (Electronic Arts)
3 7 Heavenly Sword (Sony)
4 2 Skate (Electronic Arts)
5 8 Formula One Championship Edition (Sony)
6 6 Colin McRae: Dirt (Codemasters)
7 5 FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)
8 UUSI Eye Of Judgement (Sony)
9 UUSI Folklore (Sony)
10 RE Warhawk (Sony)





PSP
1 1 Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters (Sony)
2 2 Final Fantasy Tactics: The War Of The Lions (Square Enix)
3 3 Sega Rally (Sega)
4 5 Naruto Ultimate Ninja Heroes (Namco Bandai)
5 10 Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron (Activision)
6 4 FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)
7 RE Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories (Take 2)
8 8 Ratatouille (THQ)
9 9 Dragonball Z Shin Budokai 2 (Atari)
10 UUSI Worms: Open Warfare 2 (THQ)





WII
1 UUSI Metroid Prime: Corruption (Nintendo)
2 1 Super Paper Mario (Nintendo)
3 3 Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
4 4 Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (Capcom)
5 2 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
6 6 Crash Of The Titans (Vivendi Games)
7 UUSI The Simpsons Game (Electronic Arts)
8 8 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 (Electronic Arts)
9 UUSI Carnival (2K Games)
10 7 My Sims (Electronic Arts)





XBOX360
1 UUSI Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Konami)
2 2 Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (Electonic Arts)
3 1 Halo 3 (Microsoft)
4 3 NHL 08 (Electronic Arts)
5 5 Skate (Electronic Arts)
6 4 Project Gotham Racing 4 (Microsoft)
7 UUSI The Simpsons Videopeli (Electronic Arts)
8 UUSI Naruto: Rise of a Ninja (Ubisoft)
9 8 Crash Of The Titans (Vivendi Games)
10 9 Forza Motorsport 2 (Microsoft)

Belgorim said:

They are available online and in many stores in Sweden. (discshop.se, webhallen.se sveavägen t.ex.)

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Webhallen did not have it last week when I checked... And my point was more of the line that more copies would have been sold if it was easy to find the game.

Don't really like to buy online. But if Webhallen has it now I think I'l bite right now. Since you can order online and then pick it up in the store.

Metroid is selling well here in Sweden. Debuting at #1 and getting #3 second week while affected by short supplies is nothing to be ashamed of.

reminder said:

I know we already have some chart from Germany, but here are the seperate ones for consoles and PC:

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Thx, these are the official ones so it's all good . Current gen PES took a huge hit, Zelda and MP3 holding steady. The latter is pretty impressive considering it seems to be in short supply (at least where I live).

Phife Dawg said:

Thx, these are the official ones so it's all good . Current gen PES took a huge hit, Zelda and MP3 holding steady. The latter is pretty impressive considering it seems to be in short supply (at least where I live).

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I don't get why you don't trust the charts next-gen posts...

Lets see...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8447227&postcount=210

reminder said:

Console Top 10
1. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
2. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
3. Legend of Zelda Phantom Hourglass (NDS)
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
5. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
6. FIFA 08 (PS2)
7. Dr. Kawashima: Mehr Gehirnjogging (NDS)
8. Dr. Kawashimas Gehirn-Jogging (NDS)
9. Pokemon Diamant (NDS)
10. SingStar R&B (PS2)


PC Top 10
1. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008
2. The Witcher
3. Anno 1701 - Fluch des Drachen
4. Die Siedler - Aufstieg eines Königreichs
5. FIFA 08
6. World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade
7. Die Sims 2: Gute Reise
8. Medal of Honor Airborne
9. World of Warcraft
10. Counter Strike Source

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http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7810&Itemid=2

Germany
01. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS2)
02. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PS3)
03. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (PC)
04. The Witcher (PC)
05. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
06. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)
07. Anno 1701 (PC)
08. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (Xbox 360)
09. FIFA 08 (PS2)
10. More Brain Training (DS)

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I don't have the time to do more comparisons but it fits perfectly....

Kurosaki Ichigo said:

I don't get why you don't trust the charts next-gen posts...

Lets see...

I don't have the time to do more comparisons but it fits perfectly....

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These fit but there have been instances where they haven't fit. I'm too lazy to search. As I said the charts we get (console and PC seperated) are the official ones. Might as well stick with them.

Phife Dawg said:

These fit but there have been instances where they haven't fit. I'm too lazy to search. As I said the charts we get (console and PC seperated) are the official ones. Might as well stick with them.

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Yup, this has been more or less agreed upon, there were huge discrepancies.

France, Week 42 (Oct. 15~21)

1. DS The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo)
2. PS2 FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)
3. PS3 FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)
4. DS MySims (Electronic Arts)
5. PS2 Rugby 08 (Electronic Arts)
6. Wii Wii Play (Nintendo)
7. DS Pokémon Diamant (Nintendo)
8. Wii Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
9. Xbox 360 Project Gotham Racing 4 (Microsoft)
10. DS Programme d'Entraînement Cérébral du Professeur Kawashima (Nintendo)
11. DS New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12. DS Programme d'entrainement cérébral avancé du Professeur Kawashima (Nintendo)
13. Xbox 360 Halo 3 (Microsoft)
14. PS2 Naruto Ultimate Ninja 2 (Namco Bandai)
15. Xbox 360 FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)
16. DS Cerebrale Academie (Nintendo)
17. Wii Super Paper Mario (Nintendo)
18. DS Pokémon Perle (Nintendo)
19. PSP FIFA 08 (Electronic Arts)
20. DS Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)