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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
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Petalpusher
Banned
Same AA, only the resolution difference gives more sampling (specially in background). Also the upscal algorythm is awfull wich creates even more aliasing hell and high frequency problems. Any TV sharpness option could do better (but dont do that kids!)
Opus Angelorum
Member
Had the Xbox One been the same price I'd say the difference (whilst noticeable) isn't 30-50% better looking.
DICE have done a good job, lowering the resolution absolutely helped keep it similar looking to the average Joe. The differences are there though, and clearly the PS4 is doing a lot more technical stuff while maintaining the frame rate (mostly).
In Microsoft's favour; if the hardware really is that much weaker and the development issues are as bad as has been suggested, it hasn't turned out too bad. Yes it's not as clean looking, but it still looks good and runs well.
DICE have done a good job, lowering the resolution absolutely helped keep it similar looking to the average Joe. The differences are there though, and clearly the PS4 is doing a lot more technical stuff while maintaining the frame rate (mostly).
In Microsoft's favour; if the hardware really is that much weaker and the development issues are as bad as has been suggested, it hasn't turned out too bad. Yes it's not as clean looking, but it still looks good and runs well.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
So this is going to be the backtrack answer of the generation, not actually admitting you were wrong and just saying OMG IT STILL LOOKS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReDelicious
Member
I figured out the problem, I just had to sit further away. Looks great!
DJ12
Member
Can you say "agenda" df or it would be better yo say leadbetter is an ms fanboy.Anything he can do to make the Xbox version look better will be done.
cyberheater
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Like I said. We've got MS guys saying in the real world they wouldn't hand over a 30% performance advantage to Sony. We've got devs like Shinji Mikami and Keiji Inafune who have said "There's no real difference between them," Resident Evil creator Shinji Mikami told Edge. "When Xbox One was first announced it had lower specs than PS4, but now they're almost identical." And we now have a launch game where there is a least a 50% performance advantage given resolution and framerate to the PS4.
Someone needs to explain to us why that is the case.
Straight from DF with no black crush compensation.
Can't fathom how people think the Xbox One look better because of the sharpness and saturation. Is it the same people who have sharpness on their TV set to 100? It just amplifies everything that looks bad. Look at the original pictures (PS4, XbO) and look at how the birds look more like strange blobs and how awful the road ahead looks in the Xbox One pic.
Its one of the few shots without crazy contrast at play. There are jaggies in both, but the Xbox One version has a ton more and they are much bigger and more visible.
kevcampbell
Member
Yeah, seems like JackFrags owned Digital Foundry in these comparison videos. Just like he owned them here
Haha nice
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yeah. His MP footage looks far better than others.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Yeah, seems like JackFrags owned Digital Foundry in these comparison videos. Just like he owned them here
LOL. Just noticed who he killed.
Well played.
Yeah, seems like JackFrags owned Digital Foundry in these comparison videos. Just like he owned them here
lack of gifs has been disturbing (since i started reading this thread like 20 pages ago lol)
Yeah, seems like JackFrags owned Digital Foundry in these comparison videos. Just like he owned them here
hahah, mindfuck.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
For anyone that likes the high contrast of the Xbone version just switch over to dynamic in picture settings, that'll fuck everything up, but I wouldn't do it with the Xbone version
That'll look ruff, but to be fair both versions will look the same (contrast wise) on our TV's and will depend on our HDMi black levels and dynamic contrasting, but you can't hide those jaggies or make up for the lost in resolution on the big screen
That'll look ruff, but to be fair both versions will look the same (contrast wise) on our TV's and will depend on our HDMi black levels and dynamic contrasting, but you can't hide those jaggies or make up for the lost in resolution on the big screen
The writing's been on the wall for months. With these two machines basically being built with PC parts, it's really not that hard to conceptualize the difference that we're now seeing with hard evidence.
shinra-bansho
Member
I thought I'd try applying the "XB1 filter" to a different game.
I'm curious which people prefer? The clearly more vibrant, sharper, detailed image or the blurry, crappy washed-out one.
Kibbles
Member
No AO confirmed by Digital Foundry on Xbox vs HBAO on PS4. No motion blur in MP is what people are guessing based off the IGN footage.
Appollowexx
Member
Wow that Gametrailers review has a whole bunch of great looking PS4 footage. The multiplayer is going to last me through to Destiny and beyond.
So happy that Dice have come close to recreating what people get on PC but from the comfort of my sofa and the accompaniment of my friends list!
So happy that Dice have come close to recreating what people get on PC but from the comfort of my sofa and the accompaniment of my friends list!
more importantly have they updated their website, or removed the old inaccurate comparison videos?
You mean "As a note the DF videos have kind of poor quality compared to Jack Frags"? This hardly explains in a clear and concise manner that DF fucked up the PS4 footage while the XB1 footage was perfect.
This really needs highlighting better in the first post. Not everyone has time to read 60+ pages. I went by reading the DF comparison article and looking at the videos and images which, after all, is what this thread was about.
Turns out I'm a 'casual' and a 'tard' for doing that.
If DF fucked up it needs to be in the thread title.
DJ12
Member
Well at least the theory that the ps4 is 50% more powerful weren't true.
Its actually a little bit more than that.
startyourengine
Member
i know!
uncharted86
Member
Look up comments from dark10x in this thread, he represents DF.
Here's one of his posts:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87932265&postcount=2560
Neutralfanboy
Banned
I'm late to the thread but from my opinion you won't notice much of a difference when playing close quarters but the PS4 will really start to shine once the battlefield widens and you're out in the open. I hate aliasing so I'm leaning towards PS4 but I don't understand the blur on the PS4 version either.
The more I look at those images, the more I think something is hugely amiss with the XB1 ones. Its the equivalent of a blu-ray thats been mastered from a poor source but digitally sharpened and manipulated with edge-enhancement (eg. the original Patton).
Im actually curious whether its the console's scaling doing this or DF have captured the game at 720p native and done this themselves
Im actually curious whether its the console's scaling doing this or DF have captured the game at 720p native and done this themselves
Daffy Duck
Member
Wow, so we're now saying 720p is abysmal?
Monty Mole
Member
Straight from DF with no black crush compensation.
Can't fathom how people think the Xbox One look better because of the sharpness and saturation. Is it the same people who have sharpness on their TV set to 100? It just amplifies everything that looks bad. Look at the original pictures (PS4, XbO) and look at how the birds look more like strange blobs and how awful the road ahead looks in the Xbox One pic.
The difference is definitely more obvious there. Indeed, the IQ difference will be more apparent to gamers that either sit closer to their screen, or have a bigger TV. The performance differences will be apparent to everyone though.
EDIT: Also you can see more detail on the distant birds in the PS4 version, where as they're just pixels on XB1. But yes, I agree that if people have their TV sharpness set to anything above '0', then they have no right to comment on any of this stuff
CPU memory though. GPUs starve more for high speed memory. Does show the importance of a balanced
P) system.SneakyStephan
Banned
thanks, got more details? I heard someone say 'DF fucked up' and something about them saying xbox looked better than the pc version (lol)
I know they are PR for MS so again I don't want to give them any clicks
Is it more leadbetter stupidity or?
bigboss370
Member
Yeah, seems like JackFrags owned Digital Foundry in these comparison videos. Just like he owned them here
oh man you need to make more gifs
Thanks for delivering.
Who is dark10x? Does he work for DF?
So, assuming he is right, he is saying the XONE vid is not how it will actually look on my TV screen if I were to play the game? Why would DF put out a vid like that knowing how important it is as it's the first direct comparison?
I have to say the "whopping" in that context also gave me a chuckle.
And I'd get used to post-processing AA on consoles.
720p has been abysmal since 2008 in my opinion.
People have been explaining for MONTHS. Through multiple threads. In excruciating detail.
The Antitype
Banned
Calm down. You seem really, really personally invested in this...
I was looking at the Jack videos too - I'm sorry but even in those I think the Xbone looks sharper and I see people mentioning the FXAA is probably the culprit. I'll take jagged edges over vaseline filters any day of the week, I realise that puts me in a minority.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Oh my...this thread. Battlefield indeed.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ycN0re_5A&feature=youtu.be&t=3m24s
*This* Looks incredible to you? If you switch the player to 1440p you circumvent the youtube recompression and see the original uploaded footage. And the only thing that is incredible about watching it full screen is that I have a feeling that it will physically cuts my eyes with aliasing.
I really hope that someone from Dice is reading this and will disable the ghastly sharpening effect. If they love it so much, just instruct the prospective buyers that they can turn that up on their TVs.
cyberheater
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I think you're missing my point. We've had a barrage of obfuscation and denial from MS that the real world performance delta between the machines isn't that great. My point is that either:-
1. The devs on this title had very immature development tools and did what they could with the tool that they had but the hardware is more then capable of nearly matching PS4 performance.
2. Resources were that stretched developing on so many consoles that they did not have enough time to optimise fully on Xbox One.
3. MS has flat out lied to us.
I'd like to know which one it is.
Hullo To U
Banned
After all these years, still can't get over the fact that people play FPSes on a console.
COD maybe, but BF.. No way.
COD maybe, but BF.. No way.
Duxxy3
Member
thanks, got more details? I heard someone say 'DF fucked up' and something about them saying xbox looked better than the pc version (lol)
I know they are PR for MS so again I don't want to give them any clicks
Is it more leadbetter stupidity or?
I wouldn't say it's PR.
They tried to use their own equipment and didn't get it right.
Nightengale
Member
These folks are game designers.
I'm just guessing here, but to these folks, 50% more power doesn't affect how they make games. It's not that big of a gap that they have to make significant design compromises, since any design concept achievable on the full power of PS4 can be lower-ressed for Xbox to achieve the same.
And lastly, the proof is in the pudding. We've heard crazy shit thrown around by devs and people of authority, talking stuff like 'uncomfortable GDDR5' and 'balance', which DICE has proven these crazy people to be complete horse shit, since BF4 on XB1 can't even have a better frame rate than the PS4 version. ( so much for balance )
Jawbreaker
Member
When you have the console at home (this applies to the PS3 and 360 as well), you should look for your RGB settings. There are two options. One sets RGB to 'full', the other to 'limited'. Your television might also have a setting that must be adjusted based on how you have it set. On my Samsung LCD, I would have to set the HDMI Black Level to either 'low' or 'normal' to get the proper colors and avoid black crush or a washed out look. The combination should be either:
RGB Full + HDMI Black Level Normal
or
RGB Limited + HDMI Black Level Low
Full + Low = Black Crush.
Limited + Normal = Washed out.
Keep in mind, some televisions don't allow for a full RGB setting.
HoodWinked
Gold Member
why is it that the developers who are regarded the best in visuals DICE and Crytek
have the absolute worst implementation of fxaa?
have the absolute worst implementation of fxaa?