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Frankfurter · Jan 23, 2008

ram said:
the newest issue of c't (german computer mag) says the ps3 already overtook the xbox360 in germany. can anyone confirm this (dont have the mag).

january 2008:

1. Wii ca. 700.000
2. PS3 ca. 415.000
3. XBOX360 ca. 405.000

I'm going to try and confirm this. Wii and PS3 sales sound relatively high (~311k since the end of Oct. and 243k respectively), but in the realm of the possibility, while X360 sounds insanely low (~77k).

yilmazz · Jan 23, 2008

ram said:
the newest issue of c't (german computer mag) says the ps3 already overtook the xbox360 in germany. can anyone confirm this (dont have the mag).

january 2008:

1. Wii ca. 700.000
2. PS3 ca. 415.000
3. XBOX360 ca. 405.000

The magazin says that there is no actual hardware data, so they took VG*Chartz data..

But there are some Media Control software numbers in the c't:

German market 2007:
5,5 million PS2 Games (2006: 47% ; 2007: 35% of software sales)
5,1 million DS Games (more than doubled compared to 2006)
1,1 million Wii Games (7,5% of software sales in its first year)
0,9 million 360 Games (6%)
0,8 million ps3 Games (4,9%)

Console software:
sales 2006: 429 million Euro
sales 2007: 554 million Euro (29,1% increase with a total of 15,7 million console games sold)

PC software:
sales 2007: 239 million Euro (3,6% decrease with a total of 11,9 million pc games sold)

Graphics Horse · Jan 23, 2008

spwolf said:
I know - you are downplaying markets where Wii software isnt force bundled, right?

Good grief, so Wii hardware is selling so well in France because it's force bundled with software?
:lol

Psychotext · Jan 23, 2008

yilmazz said:
The magazin says that there is no actual hardware data, so they took VG*Chartz data.

I hope they didn't pay for it. :lol

yilmazz · Jan 23, 2008

Psychotext said:
I hope they didn't pay for it. :lol

At least they mention that there are no actual numbers and they are explaining how these hardware numbers come about. ^^

Jokeropia · Jan 23, 2008

spwolf said:
well you are obviosuly pointing to this week UK results trying to play down Spanish results, and in UK indeed you can not purchase Wii without an game right now. Thats why so many Wii games are up on the charts. Its retailer bundling since Wiis are in hot demand.

Since Psychotext (who seems to actually be from the UK) has taken care of the main issue for me, I can only explain that no, I was pointing out UK, France and Spain LTD sales to show that the two former are much bigger markets than the latter.

Psychotext · Jan 23, 2008

Jokeropia said:
(who seems to actually be from the UK)

Correct. Oh and also, for those interested - Shopto have the Wii in stock for RRP (£179.99).

test_account · Jan 23, 2008

Didnt this discussion start with someone downplaying the PS3 sales? On page 4 when the Spain top 10 was posted someone said "go Spain!" or something. Then someone asked if Spain counted for 3-5% (or something like that) for whole of Europe. The way i understood this question was that since Spain has a low percentage of Europe's sales it wasnt anything to "brag" about or anything special to report. This might not be the intention behind the question so please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is how i understood it atleast. After this the disuccion about how big Spain was started.

Jokeropia · Jan 23, 2008

I thought Frillen's comment was pretty silly myself, but that doesn't mean spwolf should get away with making incorrect statements.

test_account · Jan 23, 2008

Sure, if some info is wrong it should be corrected

Chumly · Jan 23, 2008

test_account said:
Didnt this discussion start with someone downplaying the PS3 sales? On page 4 when the Spain top 10 was posted someone said "go Spain!" or something. Then someone asked if Spain counted for 3-5% (or something like that) for whole of Europe. The way i understood this question was that since Spain has a low percentage of Europe's sales it wasnt anything to "brag" about or anything special to report. This might not be the intention behind the question so please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is how i understood it atleast. After this the disuccion about how big Spain was started.

Dont attempt to defend spywolf its below you test_account.

test_account · Jan 23, 2008

Chumly said:
Dont attempt to defend spywolf its below you test_account.

I didnt exactly try to defend anyone, i just saw some comment about downplaying sales and asked if that how this discussion started.

spwolf · Jan 23, 2008

BishopLamont said:
"A sale is a sale".

exactly what I said too. I just find it silly to downplay whenever PS3 something sells well, which same people are doing over and over and over.

----

You might be able to "find without looking too hard" barebones Wii, but most retailers sold them in bunldes to sell more software during the holidays and high demand for Wii.

Obviously, only last week, Wii software sales didnt look that hot in UK, eh?

.

Psychotext · Jan 23, 2008

What I found out from this thread that I didn't know before is that between the UK and France you have well over half of all European console sales.

Psychotext · Jan 23, 2008

spwolf said:
You might be able to "find without looking too hard" barebones Wii, but most retailers sold them in bunldes to sell more software during the holidays and high demand for Wii.

There's no point arguing with you... despite having first hand experience of the situation over here (I bought three of them at xmas). There never is.

Ceb · Jan 24, 2008

Swedish chart:

1. Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock (PS2)
2. World of Warcraft (PC)
3. Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock (360)
4. Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock (PS3)
5. Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock (Wii)
6. World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade (PC)
7. Counter-Strike 1: Anthology (PC)
8. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
9. Singstar Svenska hits Schlager (PS2)
10. Counter-Strike Source (PC)
11. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (360)
12. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)
13. Assassins Creed (360)
14. Uncharted Drake´s Fortune (PS3)
15. Assassins Creed (PS3)
16. Wii Play (Wii)
17. Battlefield 2 (PC)
18. Warcraft III Reign Of Chaos (PC)
19. Half-Life 2: The Orange Box (PC)
20. Warcraft III Frozen Throne (PC)

Lobster · Jan 24, 2008

SMG is off.

Phife Dawg · Jan 24, 2008

yilmazz said:
The magazin says that there is no actual hardware data, so they took VG*Chartz data..

:lol Oh god...

yilmazz said:
At least they mention that there are no actual numbers and they are explaining how these hardware numbers come about. ^^

They basically said they are made up?

AdventureRacing · Jan 24, 2008

Lobster said:

From what i can tell lately the only game anyone over here cares about is mario and sonic.

Atreides · Jan 24, 2008

In Spain, Wii is at 660,000 and since it was launched, it got 51% of the sales of the new platforms (its actual market share is lower, since xbox 360 had some sales before that).

This are numbers from AC Nielsen, the source is in Spanish:
http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_noticia.php?id=cw479869d55e986&pic=GEN

Xzbeat · Jan 24, 2008

Atreides said:
In Spain, Wii is at 660,000 and since it was launched, it got 51% of the sales of the new platforms (its actual market share is lower, since xbox 360 had some sales before that).

This are numbers from AC Nielsen, the source is in Spanish:
http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_noticia.php?id=cw479869d55e986&pic=GEN

Wasn't the PS3 leading in Spain. The Wii must have had a really great Christmas there.

Atreides · Jan 24, 2008

Xzbeat said:
Wasn't the PS3 leading in Spain. The Wii must have had a really great Christmas there.

It was? I don't remember exact numbers, but I think it only started to sell more than Wii after the price drop, and they were almost even after that. Perhaps the price drop effect dropped a bit, the Wii sold more at Christmas and got the lead again.

PD: actually, there are some Christmas sales not included here, because the day to give gifts is january 5 in Spain.

Lobster · Jan 24, 2008

AdventureRacing said:
From what i can tell lately the only game anyone over here cares about is mario and sonic.

SMG might be out of stock. It keeps going on and off.

ram · Jan 24, 2008

Frankfurter said:
German charts

Consoles/handhelds:
1) More Brain Training (DS)
2) Brain Training (DS) [apparently in stock again]
3) Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
4) Singstar: Apres Ski (PS2)
5) Augen Training / Sight Training (DS)
6) Practice English (DS)
7) Animal Crossing (DS)
8) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii)
9) Assassin's Creed (PS3)
10) Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)

fun fact: assassins creed sold more than 100.000 units on ps3 alone in germany.

Chumly · Jan 24, 2008

- The Wii sold over 2 million units in the UK for 2007, and the install base (now over 6 million) surpasses that of the 360

- Wii has 45% market share

- The DS has sold over 5 million units in the UK

- DS has 79% market share of the handheld side of things

- Combined sales of Brain Age 1 and 2 have reached 2.5 million

- 2007s stats breakdown:

Game console hardware: £1.252 billion
Gaming accesories: £386 million
Software: £1.719 billion

TOTAL: £3.356 billion

LINK -multiple links there for all the data

For anyone who is interested, Zack & Wiki entered the Wii Top 10 at number 7 in Germany last week.

1 1 Super Mario Galaxy
2 2 Mario & Sonic bei den Olympischen Spielen
3 3 Link's Crossbow Training (+ Wii Zapper)
5 7 The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Princess
6 5 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
7 (new) Zack & Wiki: Der Schatz von Barbaros
8 (Re-entry) Mario Strikers Charged Football
9 (Re-entry) Lego Star Wars: Die komplette Saga
10 10 EA Playground

LINK Posted in the Zack and Wiki thread dont know where it came from.

Jokeropia · Jan 24, 2008

spwolf said:
Obviously, only last week, Wii software sales didnt look that hot in UK, eh? .

Because of shortages. This week there was plenty of supply and consequently Nintendomination. (The Wii games that charted are also the kind that people want regardless of bundles.)

evil costanza · Jan 24, 2008

i still can't believe how well the Wii is selling.

ziran · Jan 24, 2008

Chumly said:
- The Wii sold over 2 million units in the UK for 2007, and the install base (now over 6 million) surpasses that of the 360

- Wii has 45% market share

- The DS has sold over 5 million units in the UK

- DS has 79% market share of the handheld side of things

- Combined sales of Brain Age 1 and 2 have reached 2.5 million

Those really are massive numbers! Especially DS.

I think DS was ~2.7 million by the end of 2006, so the system sold over 2 million units in 2007! Which is backed up by Gamestation's Martyn Gibbs comments of Nintendo selling 2 million in 2007, and is huge for the UK. By my calculations, this puts PSP under 500K for the year, or PSP and GBA under 500K for the year, the wording isn't clear in the MCV article.

And Wii @ 2 million! Is this already Nintendo's most successful home system in the UK?

Raist · Jan 26, 2008

France :
Early Top 5 - Week 2, 2008http://www.sell.fr/spip.php?article57

Consoles
01 (01) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
03 (03) [NDS] Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
04 (04) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (Nintendo)
05 (__) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)

PC
01 (01) Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)
02 (03) Crysis (Electronic Arts)
03 (02) The Sims 2 Deluxe (Electronic Arts)
04 (04) The Sims 2 : Bon voyage ! (Electronic Arts)
05 (__) Counter Strike (Electronic Arts)

Lobster · Jan 26, 2008

Raist said:
France :
Early Top 5 - Week 2, 2008http://www.sell.fr/spip.php?article57

Consoles
01 (01) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
03 (03) [NDS] Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
04 (04) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (Nintendo)
05 (__) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)

Holy shit France :lol

Taurus · Jan 26, 2008

Raist said:
France :
Early Top 5 - Week 2, 2008http://www.sell.fr/spip.php?article57

Consoles
01 (01) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
03 (03) [NDS] Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
04 (04) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (Nintendo)
05 (__) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)

F U France, you think you are Japan or something!?

Wow @ Nintendomination in Europe after GC failure

Raist · Jan 26, 2008

Taurus said:
F U France, you think you are Japan or something!?

Wow @ Nintendomination in Europe after GC failure

The NGC wasn't really a failure in France, it sold pretty well.

dabra · Jan 26, 2008

France :
Week 1, 2008

01 (01) [WII] Wii play (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Super Mario galaxy (Nintendo)
03 (03) [NDS] Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
04 (07) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (Nintendo)
05 (04) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
06 (08) [NDS] TLoZ : Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo)
07 (09) [PS3] Assassin's Creed (Ubisoft)
08 (13) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
09 (11) [NDS] The Sims 2 : Castaway (Electronic Arts)
10 (15) [PS3] Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)
11 (05) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
12 (06) [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
13 (10) [PS2] PES 2008 (Konami)
14 (12) [NDS] My Sims (Electronic Arts)
15 (18) [WII] TLoZ : Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
16 (14) [PS3] Uncharted : Drake's Fortune (SCE)
17 (__) [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
18 (__) [PS3] PES 2008 (Konami)
19 (__) [WII] Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
20 (16) [PS2] NFS : Pro Street (Electronic Arts)

HocusPocus · Jan 26, 2008

I'm just amazed at how much market share Nintendo has taken from Sony this generation in Europe and Japan.

felipeko · Jan 26, 2008

Updating the op, thanks everyone

Darji · Jan 26, 2008

wooot go uncharted^^

mabuza · Jan 26, 2008

360 tearing up the french charts:lol

Kandrick · Jan 26, 2008

Europe = Japan confirmed

Orlics · Jan 26, 2008

Wow, France really hates Microsoft for some reason.

Darji · Jan 26, 2008

Orlics said:
Wow, France really hates Microsoft for some reason.

not only France.^^

Kandrick · Jan 26, 2008

Orlics said:
Wow, France really hates Microsoft for some reason.

Yeah its weird, i ( living in switzerland ) have a 360, as well as a ps3/wii for new consoles. Most of my friends have a 360 too. But i would say that we are all "gamers" so we want all the gaming experience we can get.

But for alot of people, Playstation is still a strong brand, and Nintendo has a videogame history, read; most of people had a NES, superNES back in the day.

When i talk about the xbox360 to people, they are like : "oh, thats the MS console right ? its shitty, it breaks everytime. I am gonna buy a PS3 instead"

BishopLamont · Jan 26, 2008

dabra said:
France :
Week 1, 2008

01 (01) [WII] Wii play (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Super Mario galaxy (Nintendo)
03 (03) [NDS] Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
04 (07) [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (Nintendo)
05 (04) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
06 (08) [NDS] TLoZ : Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo)
07 (09) [PS3] Assassin's Creed (Ubisoft)
08 (13) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
09 (11) [NDS] The Sims 2 : Castaway (Electronic Arts)
10 (15) [PS3] Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)
11 (05) [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
12 (06) [WII] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
13 (10) [PS2] PES 2008 (Konami)
14 (12) [NDS] My Sims (Electronic Arts)
15 (18) [WII] TLoZ : Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
16 (14) [PS3] Uncharted : Drake's Fortune (SCE)
17 (__) [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
18 (__) [PS3] PES 2008 (Konami)
19 (__) [WII] Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
20 (16) [PS2] NFS : Pro Street (Electronic Arts)

WTF?

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