What you said about the DS definitely isn't true, at least in Japan. SE would never have put DQIX on a platform that they didn't believe to be far and away the most successful platform around, nor would Namco have put a proper Tales game. First-party success really did eventually lead to third parties jumping aboard the bandwagon.TheRipDizz said:
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Trikno said:
Stranglehold bombed.
TheRipDizz
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Are you somehow implying that the DS, even in Japan, didn't have massive amounts of third party titles on it before SE made its DQIX announcment? Hmm.Sharp said:
All the SE development tells me is that the Japanese gaming public turned its collective back on console gaming and there really was no other choice about that decsion.
Spirit of Jazz
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I'm sure Mario would be number 1 if you could find it anywhere in stores.
TheRipDizz
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It hadn't reached #1 even when it was readily available. : /Spirit of Jazz said:
Spirit of Jazz
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TheRipDizz said:
True, but I'm pretty sure it would of given the huge crowds at every wii section in every store in my town with no copies of Mario anywhere to be seen.
D.Lo
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Are software shortages a distribution issue or a production issue? There aren't usually software shortages in Japan and the US (I believe?), yet Europe gets this, as well as that 'plastic shortage' that affected DS game cases etc . What is it about Europe? Here in Australia the only shortages ever are hardware (including Guitars).
Does this mean demand was underestimated? With longer supply chains so re-stock is slower? Or is it a genuine screw up? Stock shortage for software at Christmas seems like possibly the worst thing you could ever do in this business.
Does this mean demand was underestimated? With longer supply chains so re-stock is slower? Or is it a genuine screw up? Stock shortage for software at Christmas seems like possibly the worst thing you could ever do in this business.
mr_bishiuk
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D.Lo said:
Its not unusual to see empty shelves in stores this time of year, in the UK the sales start after Christmas and the shops are rammed and the staff barely have time to restock the shelves.
However I dont know what stores the people above have been saying that Uncharted and SMG have sold out in, I see copies of those games in all the stores I pop into.
Pureauthor
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Nintendo had the same problem a while back in late 2006. Then again, that was with the DS and carts, which are harder to produce than optical media.
BishopLamont
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No there was support, but like the Wii it was shitty support. If the DS performed like the GBA there's no chance DQIX would've went on the DS.TheRipDizz said:
Pureauthor said:
As far as I can tell, Nintendo manufactures both their carts AND discs in Japan (look at the back of any PAL DS or Wii game), then ships them to Europe and assembles things in Germany before they can go out to retail, and this is something that they've done for a very long time.
Sony and Microsoft manufacture everything in Europe, which means they probably have faster turnarounds when it comes to printing more copies of games that are in demand.
Android18a
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I think Assassin's Creed was helped by the major reductions in price at Game this last week. When I went in it was like £40 for the collector's edition with statue.
Randy Lanzarote
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Android18a said:
I think AC has been at £30 for both consoles since around the 18th December, as well as being included in a few stores bundle offers.
It came with my Arcade console, thought it promptly got sold. I'll lend it off my brother when I'm done with Mass Effect.
TheRipDizz
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That's just wrong. The support was massive from the get go. As soon as the new Nintendo handheld was announced, third parties started making there new handheld games on it. Been standard procedure for the last twenty years.BishopLamont said:
What changed midway through the cycle this time around was the game buying public in Japan's decisive dropoff in console gaming. This is what led to stuff like the DQIX announcment. You could argue that this is because the DS is so blindingly succesful, but that is only partially true since Japan has been experiencing a decline in console gaming for quite a while, before the DS even exhisted. Either way the success of the DS was not by a long shot only due to the strength of Nintendo's first party, which was the point I was refuting in the first place, as the DS has seen great, near universal 3rd party support from near its onset. The lull of games in the first six months of the DS' life was due to the reactionary way in which Nintendo launched the system and nothing more, as evidenced by the first E3 proceding the launch, in which many were surprised at just how much content was in line for the system given its rocky birth.
Metalmurphy
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Uncharted steady on the charts for the third week. Hope it stays that way.
BishopLamont
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Ok so name me those big third party titles for the DS in it's early life that even compares to DQ:Swords for the Wii? Honestly using the DS to downplay the Wii's success is pretty stupid.TheRipDizz said:
Haven't done your research, huh? The majority of the publisher community believed that PSP would win and placed their support accordingly to begin with. (Pledging PSP installments of almost every major PS2 franchise.) This is beside the point however, since if you remove Nintendo's mega hits the DS would indeed have lost against the PSP which was my point in the first place. (And obviously, had the DS lost it would not have gotten the third party support it has today.)TheRipDizz said:
Uh, yes it did. It was even #1 in the all format combined SKU chart for a while.TheRipDizz said:
Actually, there's a home console on the market right now that's tracking above every home console before it, both in terms of hardware and software.TheRipDizz said:
You could not be more wrong. Are you honestly trying to say that the DS would've been the same success even without Nintendogs, Brain Training, New Super Mario Bros, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Mario Kart DS etc. (All of which have sold well above 10 million.) If you've followed Media-Create you can even pinpoint the exact moment that Nintendogs and Brain Training won the market for DS.TheRipDizz said:
TheRipDizz
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Jokeropia said:
Did you read that before you wrote it? Because that's about as stupid a statement as I've ever read. "Most" third parties were counting on a Nintendo handheld to fail. :lol I sould be done seriously responding to you right there, but let's keep playing.
In the UK. Could be mistaken, but I think not.
The Wii is tracking better than the PS2 in Japan? News to me. If you are talking about different markets, maybe. I was refering to Japan.
Anyways, who's discounting the mega hits Nintendo had on the DS? Are you saying that I am? Would you you care to point out exactly where I made that proclaimation? I did and have not discounted anything. I am refuting those who discount the third party games on the system, so in a sense I am only giving credit. Something, taken by your post, you obviosly disagree with.
TheRipDizz
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Did you just prop up a spinoff franchise as some sort of merit for the system?BishopLamont said:
Pureauthor
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The DS received GBA support, in the sense that many of the devs who'd worked on GBA franchises simply spiffed the franchises up a little and continued them on the DS. Does that count as 'massive'? Well, that's your call.
In the sense that a DQ spinoff is bigger than some series' mainline games? Sure, why not.
In the sense that a DQ spinoff is bigger than some series' mainline games? Sure, why not.
TheRipDizz
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Only if said GBA support was massive.Pureauthor said:
Oh wait. It was.
TheRipDizz
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So I guess Crystal Chronicals was the turning point for the Gamecube now, since, you know, the Cube got is own Final Fantasy and all.Pureauthor said:
Seriously.
Pureauthor
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TheRipDizz said:
You're missing the point - deliberately or not, I can't tell. That the 'Cube received a FF spinoff is true. The problem is that the PS2 received an FF mainline game, which beats FF spinoff anyday.
The response would be more like - if one system received a FF:CC, and another system received the next instalment of an Idea Factory franchise - which system has the better Japanese support?
Wow, AC holding the throne steadily. Is the game slated to hit the PC anytime soon? If yes, I'll wait a bit and play it there instead of grabbing the PS3 version (all the negativity surrounding the game keeps me from buying it at full retail console price, despite me wanting to try it out).
TheDrowningMan
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BeeDog said:
You're not in the UK, I presume? It's pretty heavily discounted right now.
TheDrowningMan
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Wii will keep selling regardless of more third parties putting half-arsed games on the format. People who want a Wii won't be swayed by the others - it's too distinct, too different, too unique. Mario Kart Wii & Smash Bros. will be by far the top sellers worldwide over the next six months.
One of the best things about this generation will be the number of idiotic developers/publishers who are nudged to the brink of going out of business due to their steadfast refusal to bring even a slight approximation of their best products to the console. We'll see a lot of crap flushed out of the industry.
One of the best things about this generation will be the number of idiotic developers/publishers who are nudged to the brink of going out of business due to their steadfast refusal to bring even a slight approximation of their best products to the console. We'll see a lot of crap flushed out of the industry.
TheRipDizz
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The system that recieved the real Final Fantasy? Anything else is derisive crap that doesn't get the benefit of the doubt of the franchise that it's tied to and must stand on its own merits.Pureauthor said:
Also, what point that I'm missing are you refering to? I'm getting pelted on so many sides, I lost track with you particualr issue.
TheRipDizz
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Ubisoft begs to disagree.TheDrowningMan said:Wii will keep selling regardless of more third parties putting half-arsed games on the format.
One of the best things about this generation will be the number of idiotic developers/publishers who are nudged to the brink of going out of business due to their steadfast refusal to bring their best products to the console. We'll see a lot of crap flushed out of the industry.
Pureauthor
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TheRipDizz said:The system that recieved the real Final Fantasy?
Also, what point that I'm missing are you refering to? I'm getting pelted on so many sides, I lost track with you particualr issue.
You're claiming that receiving a spinoff title doesn't constitue good support. I then replied that, relative to mainline titles from smaller franchises, it could still constitute 'better' support.
TheDrowningMan
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TheRipDizz said:Ubisoft begs to disagree.
AC is a masterpiece of hype and advertising. Even though the game is by no means among the year's best, I think the way in which they've wooed their audience has been incredible. They've done a brilliant job with that game.
TheRipDizz
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Sure, but better than what though? The PS3? The 360? That's not really saying much and couldn't be construed as any great indicator of the health of the Wii or console gaming in general in Japan for that matter, which was the point I was trying to make in the first place.Pureauthor said:
Yes. The majority of the industry expected a N64 vs. PS1 repeat. This was especially true in the West where PSP had massive EA support and an exclusive GTA coming.TheRipDizz said:
In the UK, yes. Here you go. (Again, note that this is the all format chart which combines multiplatform games.)TheRipDizz said:
Yes, and I'm not surprised it's news to you since it's pretty obvious you haven't done your research.TheRipDizz said:
I am saying it was Nintendo's games that made the DS a success, not the third parties. Since you clearly have a problem with that, can you please name the third party games released during the first year of the system that had a crucial impact on it's success?TheRipDizz said:
TheDrowningMan
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Jokeropia said:
Shh....five million (each) sold of NSMB, Animal Crossing & Brain Training in Japan have a ton of 3rd party equivalents. :lol
Visualante said:
Lobster said:
Simple answers to these actually.
M&S@O had a load of copies stocked up prior to Xmas as do the 1st party games.
Sega shipped them all before Xmas when Wii hardware was in demand and got the FIRST EVER ALL FORMATS NUMBER 1 FOR THE Wii and now they have run out of copies. Completely. Non on shipments to stores unless that store has pulled strings. Sold = sold to SEGA, they don't have to worry about the system sales - they will throw out more when the DS game launches in a couple of weeks and retake the all formats number 1 slot.
The 1st party games have been selling out each week but then restocking the next week to keep the sales buoyant for the system - if Wii had no stock in any of its top games all at the same time Nintendo get problems. This is why they use supply chain management to ensure that a constant stream of stock goes to shops. YES Mario Galaxy is selling out, but you'd be hard pressed to find shop workers that hadn't seen at least a few copies come in and get sold this week - unlike M&S@O.
So now you know!
UK Games Retail isn't just a simple case of hyping a title and putting units in the shops on day 1 (unlike Japan) you need to build a games reputation while it is out to sell, like Assassins Creed, M&S@O and Brain Training has done. Only the hardcore gamer fanboy titles come in high and disappear fast in he UK holiday period.
I'm sure the fact that it's a quiet week and that many online retailers are selling AC for half price at £25 has absolutely nothing to do with it's "success".
Nope. Absolutely nothing at all.
"Oh, my God, were having a FIRE... sale. Oh, the burning! It burns me! Evacuate all the schoolchildren! (Screaming. Singing Amazing Grace.) This isnt a fever! (Continues singing.) Cant even see where the knob is! (Dramatic sigh.) And scene."
Nope. Absolutely nothing at all.
"Oh, my God, were having a FIRE... sale. Oh, the burning! It burns me! Evacuate all the schoolchildren! (Screaming. Singing Amazing Grace.) This isnt a fever! (Continues singing.) Cant even see where the knob is! (Dramatic sigh.) And scene."
TheRipDizz
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Are you refuting that games like Meteos, Castlevania: DoS, Pheonix Wright, Sonic Rush among many othersdidn't contribute to its success? I'll tell you this much those games had a helluva lot more to do with me buying a DS than games like Nintendogs, Brain Training and the like. Third parties filled the system out bountifully, were very important to the system's success and were there from the very beginging. This is the point. This is my point. You have said NOTHING that refutes it. Please try harder.Jokeropia said:
Pureauthor
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TheRipDizz said:
Have you actually seen the sales of these games you claim as being 'very important' to the system's success?
Pureauthor
Member
farnham said:
Or to put it another way - even if every last one of those game sales sold an individual system (which is of course a ridiculous proposition), it would still be utterly insignificant compared to the selling power of just one of Nintendo's 'Touch Generations' games.
Burai said:
1. This week after Xmas is one of the busiest in the UK retail year, especially for games. Where the hell are you shopping?
and can I come, the busy shops annoy me
2. Yes AC is on sale, so are many other games. People chose AC over these other cheap games. This shows us that while AC looks like the kind of game people want to play, they don't think it's worth £50 but do think it's well worth £25. If those people were wrong and it turns out to not be worth £25 expect lots of pre-owned copies in about 2 weeks...
TheRipDizz
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They don't have to by themselves. They create cavets of gamers that round out the system and make it the all around monster it would not be without.farnham said:
BishopLamont
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You != Everyone. You're making assumptions based on your personal taste, it makes your whole argument laughable.TheRipDizz said:
Those games you listed could be easily replaced with other titles, the same can not be said for Nintendo's first party efforts.TheRipDizz said: