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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
- Thread starter roytheone
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I wasn't very consistent, but I tried to do that when I quoted anyone in my Love Boat when I did something detailed like this.
I paid Roy $100. He promised that he would sub in one NX player each night.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
No, I mean you just ignored me. You called me a sideshow. That hurt bro.
The hell is this?
Oh, yeah sorry, I was more interested in Topo who seems to have disappeared into the aether. You were either lying or planning to tease out a claim for the next 3 years, I figured I could wrap up and check back in
The smell of worry.
weemadarthur
Member
I think it's too early to abuse the moderator. Maybe we should get through some confusing roles before we start that.
Or, mafia had two kills. Aimed one at Camjo, recruited him, and we now have a confirmed mayor scum.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
So, uhm
Any ideas why SkyOdin didn't use his ability on the first night?
Any ideas why SkyOdin didn't use his ability on the first night?
weemadarthur
Member
Well I'd edit that sigh to its proper place outside the quote but I'm not allowed.
New player jitters maybe? To be fair, being even night commuter is probably slightly stronger only because being killed N1 is unlikely from a pure statistics standpoint.
Do scum NKs count as a "power"?
Maybe he did and mafia had an unstoppable kill.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Could someone give me a list of the roleclaims so far?
I think Kark is right. I misread the roleclaim.
I think Kark is right. I misread the roleclaim.
That's not how unstoppable kills work. Strongmen still can't hit commuters. If you commute, which is what Cat Woman reads like, then you are literally gone, so a strongman can punch through protections because you are still there behind the protection but in this case, no one is actually there.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Oh, looks like I didn't.
What I thought.
How do you mean? Scum just had regularly two night kills? Plus Camjo-Z's redistribution of the Vote-kill?
What two statements?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
The ones in the role PM. He's kind of right.
Oh, I guess with the example is written?
Roy, can you clarify. If that role had been used last night would he have been commuting 1,3,5,7,etc. or just 3,5,7,etc.?
weemadarthur
Member
Dunno.
I'm not supposed to do scum's fake claim brainstorming, so I'll just say that's my theory. Refute it.
How the hell did this thread grow 2 pages in the time it took me to write a test case? *NX flashbacks*
Erm, about Sky, either he gambled and lost, or some sort of higher-priority scum ability got to him would be my guess.
Regarding other recent happenings, my lack of Batman lore knowledge is really showing. I'm opting to believe Topo for now, and as much as I disliked Camjo's move I believe he's town. Flux is acting aggressively which I choose to interpret as him trying to bait something/someone. Maybe a weakened scum team. Maybe he's decided to play in a more risky way now that he saw how close he was to being lynched and highly doubts town will go for that again. Keeping vote on him for now.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but Kark, will you be requesting a new list from the batcomputer?
Karu's answer about a random number is weird. I guess it's worth pushing because if the mafia team's comms are indeed broken, then we can probably pressure more effectively today.
OMG Weemad are you seriously proposing there are recruitment mechanics in this game too?! ._.
Erm, about Sky, either he gambled and lost, or some sort of higher-priority scum ability got to him would be my guess.
Regarding other recent happenings, my lack of Batman lore knowledge is really showing. I'm opting to believe Topo for now, and as much as I disliked Camjo's move I believe he's town. Flux is acting aggressively which I choose to interpret as him trying to bait something/someone. Maybe a weakened scum team. Maybe he's decided to play in a more risky way now that he saw how close he was to being lynched and highly doubts town will go for that again. Keeping vote on him for now.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but Kark, will you be requesting a new list from the batcomputer?
Karu's answer about a random number is weird. I guess it's worth pushing because if the mafia team's comms are indeed broken, then we can probably pressure more effectively today.
OMG Weemad are you seriously proposing there are recruitment mechanics in this game too?! ._.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, I'm seriously going to take a more level-headed approach from here on, but I'd like to revisit Camjo for a second. I think I can see what's going on.
To look at the lore for a second, Jason Todd was killed by the Joker in Death in the Family. He was resurrected by Ra's al Ghul in Under the Hood. When he was resurrected, he sets out to right the wrong done against him by holding the Joker hostage and telling Batman that he either kills him (Jason) or lets Jason kill the Joker.
I think that Camjo-Z is in fact a neutral. Once he's targeted, he's going to flip to neutral and his win condition will change to "kill the Joker", along it gaining the ability to perform night kills.
To look at the lore for a second, Jason Todd was killed by the Joker in Death in the Family. He was resurrected by Ra's al Ghul in Under the Hood. When he was resurrected, he sets out to right the wrong done against him by holding the Joker hostage and telling Batman that he either kills him (Jason) or lets Jason kill the Joker.
I think that Camjo-Z is in fact a neutral. Once he's targeted, he's going to flip to neutral and his win condition will change to "kill the Joker", along it gaining the ability to perform night kills.
Refuted. No reason to create elaborate theories like that for no reason right now. There was one Night phase and one person died during the Night phase. Let's keep it simple for now, until we actually have something else pointing at something different.
I missed being in the same game with you.
But... you're saying "once he's targeted." So you agree that he's Town-aligned right now?
weemadarthur
Member
<_<
Well yeah.
I hadn't thought about it until you brought it up. But now that I do...it is bound to be true eventually if I keep playing mafia games. Anyway it's been perfectly plausible! Both times!
You and weemad should hang out.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
<3
Most likely, yes. That's not to say that I think not killing him is the best course of action; I just want it discussed. You're opening the doors for chaos if you just let this by without discussing it.
Speaking of elaborate theories:
Yeah, I could see this (we've talked about scum overrides and town fucking about and activating a SK accidently already, did Roy plan to bring you on as our consultant today?) but it's like Flux says above, this is so elaborate to even consider right now. Occam's razor is that Camjo is just the town mayor and that is that. Maybe if we get hint of a stopped night kill of some sort then we could start to figure out why but do you really think this is the right pursuit today?
He would be unable to be targeted on the night he used the command, and after that every other night, so 1,3,5,7 etc.
Pfff... hahaha. Yeah, alright, I guess you choose to believe what you want.
You know how people who have NDEs come back with a certain appreciation for life and a will to live? Well... it's kind of like that in my case, but the opposite.
Yes, yes, we get it. If you yearn for death so badly then we'll all feel bad and assume you are town.
Meh. It's clear that you might be on the right track, but it would be ludicrous to lynch Camjo right now. Just really stupid. Don't be stupid.
I guess it depends on when/if Camjo ever gets targeted. I would hope we would infer when that happens because of circumstances (e.g. no one was killed on N#). Either way, I find it highly unlikely Camjo was targeted on N1.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ah, so, why didn't SkyOdin use his ability? :/
It's not so elaborate that we can rule it out. I'm just saying it bears discussion.
It's not so elaborate that we can rule it out. I'm just saying it bears discussion.
What, no. I'm aligned with the Villains, I already said this.
Besides, you who likes to talk about previous player behaviour so much, have you somehow missed every game I've played in and how I've disregarded my life in each of them? Death is meaningless.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm asking you, just for a minute, to tell me why it's stupid.
Since Flux is going up to bat in Camjo/Karu's place anyway to answer her question, I might as well ask my counter question as well. To weemad, do you actually think that scum would have targeted Camjo last night? Just used his power that is commonly a one shot and was baiting for a night kill which may have also baited a watcher if there is one around.
Because it would be 100% stupid to lynch someone who is absolutely town just because they might not be town at some unforeseen point in the future. Lynch someone else. If anything, Camjo can get lynched if things get a bit weird or seem a bit tight for town. He's a known target right now. Shoot for the unknown.
I mean, sure, and it's good that the idea is out there just in case now but all signs point to, even if you are correct, that he is town right now. I'm asking if you would seriously lynch for that right now when he is our closest to a confirmed townie at the moment.
Not really, death wasn't meaningless in woof 2 until you thought you had won the game, a miscalculation and terrible targeting of night kills did make your death meaningless though.
weemadarthur
Member
No clue. I've never played as mafia and have no idea how to think that way.
But Camjo's wording was "come get some". It's just so invitational.
Wow, so the one game that I was scum I actually held value in my life, and the others where I was Town (Woof 1, Heist, Love Boat) I didn't care if I died because I didn't care if I died. It's an open-and-shut case! This totally points to me being scum in Batman, you figured it out detective.
Veterans are also invitational:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner
I think a veteran mayor would be ridiculous but hey, something to consider. I wouldn't have hit Camjo as scum and not even because of the invitation but because he is probably useless now.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I wouldn't lynch him right now, no, but he looks like the closest to a threat from where I'm sitting. :/