Feel free to quote all the original new thoughts gryvan has relayed to us that give you pause on lynching him for Kark's prior behavior. Perhaps the one where he says "Sorian is scummy because... I can't be bothered to give any reasons", or maybe when he revealed that "the Ace flavor is too silly so here's one of the first results on google images for 'batman ace' instead, you can figure it out from there"?
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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
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Feel free to quote all the original new thoughts gryvan has relayed to us that give you pause on lynching him for Kark's prior behavior. Perhaps the one where he says "Sorian is scummy because... I can't be bothered to give any reasons", or maybe when he revealed that "the Ace flavor is too silly so here's one of the first results on google images for 'batman ace' instead, you can figure it out from there"?
AbsolutBro
Member
uh, not it makes perfect sense. Being in that situation, there are still frequent calls to the way that Flux acted D1 and halfway into D2. You can grill me on them all you want, and I will never be able to answer because I'm not Fluxwave. Especially using the replacement's inability to speak for someone who left the game as some sort of mark against them is just plain dickish. Why did Flux or Kark act the way they did or say the things they did? I don't know, why don't you ask them? OH WAIT!
AbsolutBro
Member
This only makes sense if Kark is wrong about everything though. If Kark gave Gryvan details on what he found, and it all makes sense to Gryvan, why wouldn't he agree with Kark?
Kark didn't leave him any notes though. I asked gryvan that earlier.
AbsolutBro
Member
Sorry, by "notes" I mainly meant "results of any theoretical night actions". I thought Kark claimed some sort of PR, the details and possible results of which presumably would have been given to gryvan.
I argued that a player should not be held accountable for the actions of his predecessor. Your post does not explain how that is unreasonable.
Replacements don't get notes from their predecessors. The most we do as mods when we replace players is let them know what night actions their predecessor did and applicable results. Unless he is scum, then he gets notes from scum buddies, of course. gryvan is claiming to have read the thread and he agrees with what Kark has said and done, he also stands behind Kark's Ace claim and the roleblock of me N1 and Karu N2. He is playing this like Kark 2.0, it's hard for me to feel bad about not dissociating him from the sins of the father.
Because it fucks with the inherent gameplay/set-up of Mafia. There is a certain grace period you can allow substitutes to get into the game, but to to call it "unfair" to lynch them no matter the two entire Days of suspicious behaviour prior is ridiclious in my mind.
Day 3 votes
sorian (1)
pop-o-matic 1934 (1993)
sorian 1974 (2002)
gryvan 2205
launchpadmcq (0)
sorian 1935 (1943)
ty4on 1990 (2178)
ty4on (1)
launchpadmcq 1939 (2031)
coppanuva 2288 (2344)
trigger 2311
launchpadmcq 2313 (2314)
coppanuva (4)
sorian 1943 (1974)
sorian 2002 (2028)
xamtheking 2030
ty4on 2178
absolutbro 2287
launchpadmcq 2314
el topo (1)
ty4on 1989 (1990)
pop-o-matic 1993
karkador (0)
sorian 2028 (2196)
launchpadmcq 2031 (2169)
weemadarthur 2042 (2218)
camjo-z 2050 (2213)
gryvan (5)
fireblend 2207
camjo-z 2213
weemadarthur 2240
karu 2302
coppanuva 2344
sorian (1)
gryvan 2205
launchpadmcq (0)
ty4on (1)
trigger 2311
coppanuva (4)
xamtheking 2030
ty4on 2178
absolutbro 2287
launchpadmcq 2314
el topo (1)
pop-o-matic 1993
karkador (0)
gryvan (5)
fireblend 2207
camjo-z 2213
weemadarthur 2240
karu 2302
coppanuva 2344
Kark claimed role block. Role blockers don't receive any special information. So yeah, gryvan was probably told whatever Kark was up to N1 and N2 and he did indeed say that yes, Kark did role block me and Karu.
My post did but you are ignoring it lol
CornBurrito
Member
I've been at work all day. I honestly haven't had much chance to read the thread at all.
No. It really didn't. What you did was argue why you think gryvan is scum in relation to Kark and how our current game situation factors into all this.
CornBurrito
Member
Ok. So it seems split between Coppa and Gryvan.
I'll try to review their posts quickly, unless someone can explain why one definitely is more scummy than the other.
I'll try to review their posts quickly, unless someone can explain why one definitely is more scummy than the other.
I don't think now is the right time to argue about this. I think it's best to take this into the general game thread.
You're here now though. Any last minute thoughts?
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Absolut disassociated himself from Flux in one of his first posts.
gryvan has said he intends to continue Kark's work because he agrees with him.
Please tell me why I shouldn't be holding gryvan accountable for Kark?
I'd rather you come up with your own opinion than letting someone else color your thoughts.
Gryvan didn't tie the votes on D1 or go hard on Camjo and you on D2.
Gryvan has IIRC just said that he agrees with Kark's viewpoints like Sorian and Launch being scummy. It's not that weird IMO to agree with your predecessor. If you're replacing someone who's town it makes sense not to ditch their earlier thoughts because they came from a confirmed townie.
Any in specific you scum read? I seriously doubt the scum team would do that, but maybe if Coppa is indeed scum.
coppa/fireblend for the most part...there could be more...
CornBurrito
Member
I need more time to build up reads. I also think that Launch's list might warrant more serious consideration. If it ends up being correct we would need to look more seriously at those that tried to undermine it I think.
I'm not really confident enough to place a vote with only 5 minutes on the clock.
Coppa also didn't vote for Kark until recently.
weemadarthur
Member
I thought and I thought about what you have said,
and now I have figured out what karky led
us to understand.
you are neutral and
he received info about you from roy, ahead
of time. And vice versa too.
He seemed awfully worried about you.
you know who he is
and he knows your biz.
what difference does it make? Is it true?
and now I have figured out what karky led
us to understand.
you are neutral and
he received info about you from roy, ahead
of time. And vice versa too.
He seemed awfully worried about you.
you know who he is
and he knows your biz.
what difference does it make? Is it true?
It would be really helpful if Coppa could answer.
On the bright side I feel a little bit better about a Kark lynch because I don't immediately see how Coppa's role could be scum. I'm guessing an investigator of some sort if he is scum. Scum has hit a lot of power roles.
Final vote count for day 3:
gryvan (6)
launchpadmcq 2197 (2313)
fireblend 2207
camjo-z 2213
weemadarthur 2240
karu 2302
coppanuva 2344
el topo 2371
coppanuva (4)
xamtheking 2030
ty4on 2178
absolutbro 2287
launchpadmcq 2314
sorian (1)
pop-o-matic 1934 (1993)
gryvan 2205
el topo (1)
ty4on 1989 (1990)
pop-o-matic 1993
ty4on (1)
launchpadmcq 1939 (2031)
coppanuva 2288 (2344)
trigger 2311
launchpadmcq 2313 (2314)
Why did the owl like coding? Because of the bugs!(1)
Sorian
launchpadmcq (0)
ty4on 1990 (2178)
karkador (0)
launchpadmcq 2031 (2169)
weemadarthur 2042 (2218)
camjo-z 2050 (2213)
gryvan (6)
fireblend 2207
camjo-z 2213
weemadarthur 2240
karu 2302
coppanuva 2344
el topo 2371
coppanuva (4)
xamtheking 2030
ty4on 2178
absolutbro 2287
launchpadmcq 2314
sorian (1)
gryvan 2205
el topo (1)
pop-o-matic 1993
ty4on (1)
trigger 2311
Why did the owl like coding? Because of the bugs!(1)
Sorian
launchpadmcq (0)
karkador (0)
I'm on mobile so I'll be long on this post. For now I'm doing this:
VOTE: Coppanuva
I'm sure scum was laughing at me yesterday. They do have a role blocker and they completely were able to stop me from acting. Longer post coming soon with the whole truth on my role and what happened.
VOTE: Coppanuva
I'm sure scum was laughing at me yesterday. They do have a role blocker and they completely were able to stop me from acting. Longer post coming soon with the whole truth on my role and what happened.
Xamtheking
Member
That's fishy as hell, dude, you straight up said yesterday you couldn't be blocked last night on multiple occasions
If there's one thing I was certain of yesterday it's that Sorian was lying about something
So after Roy posted results yesterday, I got a PM from him. It said (changing the wording) that the effects of the joker toxin worsen causing me to be unable to submit a night action due to fits of laughter. About 5min before day start, I got a PM saying that the effects of the toxin faded which I assume means my vote counts again too. So it looks like that wasn't just a vote eraser but a dual ability with an auto role block that night.
As for my ability, no reason to be coy now since I can't use it until tomorrow night now (I verified with Roy, I lost my charge meaning I have to start the process again.) So again, I am Michael Lane, aka Azrael. I am town's 1-shot strong vigilante, which is why I didn't think my action could be stopped anymore, a normal role block can't stop a strong kill but preventing me from even submitting an action will sure do it. I kill using the sword of sin. I have to spend one night using IGNITE with the sword. The following night I have a regular KILL command which acts as a strong kill. I'll have to ignite again tonight to even have a chance of killing.
So yeah, my intention was to kill Coppa last night (which I will push full force by vote today) but I couldn't. I remember (not finding it on mobile) that weemad said she thought it was too bad I obviously wasn't a vig, I'm not sure why she thought that though. I'll try to field questions as much as I can but don't expect any other huge posts until I'm at a comp later tonight.
As for my ability, no reason to be coy now since I can't use it until tomorrow night now (I verified with Roy, I lost my charge meaning I have to start the process again.) So again, I am Michael Lane, aka Azrael. I am town's 1-shot strong vigilante, which is why I didn't think my action could be stopped anymore, a normal role block can't stop a strong kill but preventing me from even submitting an action will sure do it. I kill using the sword of sin. I have to spend one night using IGNITE with the sword. The following night I have a regular KILL command which acts as a strong kill. I'll have to ignite again tonight to even have a chance of killing.
So yeah, my intention was to kill Coppa last night (which I will push full force by vote today) but I couldn't. I remember (not finding it on mobile) that weemad said she thought it was too bad I obviously wasn't a vig, I'm not sure why she thought that though. I'll try to field questions as much as I can but don't expect any other huge posts until I'm at a comp later tonight.
I was unaware that the damage was already done. I thought the joker toxin was just the vote non-sense which seemed too weak, not as weak now though.
Xamtheking
Member
but yeah
VOTE: Coppanuva
Let's do this
VOTE: Coppanuva
Let's do this
Xamtheking
Member
So you're lying as well
lol chat bombed them again? Good
Think about it for a second. Do you really think there is no other night killer in this game? It is smaller but 18 still needs something to speed along night kills. That's supposed to be me apparently but either by luck or otherwise (by luck on the Kark role block at least), I haven't been able to.