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Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs
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Do you want to hammer him?
Xamtheking
Member
I agree completely
It's just that we aren't going to find scum in the first place
Unless something fudged Launch' result, either Coppa/Me or Launch is scum. And I doubt the game is bastard enough to fudge Launch's report.
It hasn't even been 24 hours yet. I'm waiting to see what Trigger says and then we can take it from there. Whether he is telling the truth or not, we don't even have all the puzzle pieces for today yet.
Xamtheking
Member
Only to help guide the game towards the inevitable scum victory so we can possibly get signups for Gafia 2 going
Or one of you is a neutral. So while that does limit the field, it's not guaranteed that we are breaking into the scum team there.
Xamtheking
Member
Yeah but trigger doesn't need to say anything, he can just hammer and then we'll lynch launch tomorrow and lose
You don't know that. Come on.
Ty, I still don't get why you and Coppa are not pushing one another way harder. Either you don't believe Launch's list at all, or somehow have become convinced that there are better targets than someone who's guaranteed to be not town, and appear to be unphased at Sorian being so close to getting lynched, who's someone you're not voting for.
Vote: ty4on
You really think if Trigger just walks in here and hammers then you all will just jump off the cliff on a Launch vote tomorrow? Come on now, Trigger would be dead immediately if it wasn't an instant game over.
That's still way better than lynching another townie. Say we lynch Coppa and he does indeed flip neutral. He would probably not have been a very valuable asset for the upcoming mylo/lylo and we learn more about the game's mechanics. We also have a reason to trust Launch.
Again though, I agree we should still focus on finding scum today. That's why I haven't voted for anyone in the lead. There are way too many questions for a turbo.
Xamtheking
Member
No, trigger is going to say he saw launchpad visit me when I die tonight and then town will succumb to madness
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
UNVOTE
Hammers make me nervous.
Hammers make me nervous.
CornBurrito
Member
So... what's the difference, now?At best you're arguing semantics-level of details here. Absolut may have been a sub-optimal kill. Chat bomb might have contributed to that sub-optimal choice.
No, I'm not arguing that. I don't know how I can make this any simpler.
Scum being chat bombed isn't the same as giving scum team a collective lobotomy. The kill on Absolut can't simply be a poor decision, there has to be some reason behind it. How does a chat bomb get someone to go "hmm better not target the doctor, gotta target someone that increases the chances of one of us getting lynched!"
I can agree with that (though who knows if the neutral is town aligned or not, it could be just as bad).
Please, you are painting the most cartoonishly evil Trigger imaginable lol no one would fall for all of that.
weemadarthur
Member
Indeed. There are many questions. You had one for me earlier, which I may as well answer now.
My restriction was to post using the standard limerick rhyme scheme of aabba, and also to make a Genuine Effort (TM) at the standard number of syllables per line. While your post about the specifics you were told in that game with the haiku restriction was very helpful (since I had trouble answering detailed questions), I can't guarantee I had those same allowances and restrictions. Because I didn't ask Roy any questions about the details of the restriction, I just lived by it.
I'll keep one small point to myself for future confirmation if trigger turns out to have been hit.
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Does anyone else have any questions for me before I do away for the evening?
weemadarthur
Member
*go
I stand corrected. I didn't read your first quote correctly, I wasn't in Heist so I overlooked it.
I am worried about Sorian's votes, but I'm worried that there's people who I mostly read as town there, so I believe it unlikely that only Trigger is (was) missing to come and hammer the vote. Mafia could just be sitting looking at the chaos, safely away from it all. As Sorian says, if anyone had hammered and he flipped town, that'd almost guarantee their lynch tomorrow unless scum outright won the game.
Which also speaks to me about how confident some people are in lynching Sorian in the first place.
Did Roy tell you upfront that it was give genuine effort or die?
weemadarthur
Member
That was my paraphrase of the restriction. The words used were not "Genuine Effort (TM)".
I don't care about the wording of genuine effort, I'm wondering when he told you that failure would lead to mod kill.
Sure. Did Roy mention these mistakes?
I noticed them last night and wanted to wait until everyone checked in.
Post 2048, 2075, 2098, 2127, 2161, 2218, 2240 and 2244 BTW.
weemadarthur
Member
Oh.
Well, thinking back, modkill wasn't specified. There was just the one message, which said failure to obey would have Dire Consequences (TM). I actually just assumed it was modkill, sorry for being unclear on that point.
Lol
So you didn't bother figuring out what dire consequences were? And except for Trigger, no one has shown signs of insanity today. You'll excuse me if I call bullshit.
Xamtheking
Member
Did you know you were going to be roleblocked when you broke the haiku rule in NV?
Also, about to start work, so responses will be shotty for a good few hours
The PM in NV explicitly stated that. Even though I was an ordinary it told me I would be role blocked if I had a role and vote blocked if I didn't.
What Ty4on said. I then also made sure to ask how it would work if I had run out of shots of my ability and how it would role block me since I was a 3-shot day skill. I made sure to be very thorough so that I could weigh the pros and cons of ignoring the restriction or not.
weemadarthur
Member
Those aren't mistakes. They fit with the sample limericks given in the Wikipedia link. Such as:
"There was a Young Person of Smyrna
Whose grandmother threatened to burn her.
But she seized on the cat,
and said 'Granny, burn that!
You incongruous old woman of Smyrna!'
Burn her and smyrna and used as rhymes, this was one of my examples.
Well, like I said. I assumed modkill. Is there something worse than that? And no, I didn't ask any questions of Roy.
While we wait for Wee's answer, did you notice the same as me?
All I'm noticing is that I fine it extremely odd that you asked no questions of Roy when you'd have to spend 72 hours doing something. Having been put in that exact situation, it's odd to me because I asked a lot of questions. Is that what you noticed Ty4on or am I missing something else? (The vagueness of dire consequences sticks out as well since Retro was so exact).
Sure, but I never said they was no reason behind it - that would be stupid!? Just that the decision might have been suboptimal in the grand scheme of things and if chat wasn't bombed Scum might have come to a different solution. Mistakes happen, you know?
Keeping my Vote on Coppa for now. Want to hear from Trigger (as does everybody else I see).
R is not pronounced in British English if there's no vowel following it so I can see how you can force Smyrna and burn her to rhyme.
What is the pattern if you don't have to rhyme aabba though?
weemadarthur
Member
I accept being called "That weird psychopath" without taking offense, and you think the odd thing about me is that I obey game instructions given me without asking for more information? I have no argument that states "Wee is normal", so if that's your attack, then you win.
Oh I guess I see your issue. Ugh, this is why I hate these mechanics.
I was talking about where the rhyming didn't match up. I was just wondering if you had noticed the same.
It's not really a case of being weird or normal though. It sounds like someone who doesn't care and that just may have been the case but is want to know the "dire consequences" as you put it.
Learn about the caught/cot merger...
Thankfully I don't know of any standard English dialects that cut those consonants that I pointed out.
weemadarthur
Member
Oh.
Well, if I died, the consequences to town would be minimal.
I don't approve of ordinary citizens who refuse to play at all, but being unimportant does mean one's value to one's town is in the discussion rather than night actions. Or day actions, I forget those even exist until people like camjo do stuff. So I did my best and didn't worry a lot.
Is this an ordinary claim?
weemadarthur
Member
weemadarthur
Member
I noticed that launchy gave up on the idea of voluntarily aping the limerick curse after I didn't detail the answers to these questions in the first few hours of the day phase.
I guess you needed that third voice.
weemadarthur
Member
See below.
You believed me right up until I wanted to lynch your team mate. It's ok, we can leave Sorian for tomorrow. I'll vote for you today too!
This is where I was certain you were scum. The wording just shows that you know this isn't a power on the mafia team.
I'm jumping through hoops. Not, the mods are making you do this. Not, oh poor you having to do this. Just....you are doing it.
Welcome to #myfirstgambit.
I'm in control of the limerick curse.
What do I mean? Hmm, it could be that I made it up. Or I'm town/neutral and I can cast this restriction on myself. Or I'm mafia and I have it out for Sorian, but instead of just shooting him in the night, I want town to kill him for me. But not just Sorian. Also ty4on and launchpad. Am I a three person lyncher? Nope.
No, I genuinely thought you were under a curse yesterday. I just randomly noticed you had made a mistake. I think it was either 2240 or 2244 as I remember it was in a conversation with you. I don't remember, but I think I noticed a second mistake and got suspicious so I decided to go through every limerick you had written to see if they were just random mistakes.
I was just waiting for Trigger and wanted to post them much earlier today.
Eventually I said fuck it as Trigger was still missing in action and your post here seemed like an invitation.
Actually, the jumping through hoops comment was because this post was so dumb that it made me laugh:
The meow at the end was the hoop I was talking about, adding an extra useless thing to get the rhyme. And yay, your first gambit, you are well on your way to losing games just like Kark.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, this is madness.
I supposed I'm still voting for Sorian.
I supposed I'm still voting for Sorian.
I like the way you're thinking, but Launch and Coppa both being non scum still bothers me. Sure, a neutral is possible, but I think a neutral would have claimed by now.