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Just Dance Sells 2 Million Copies, Becomes Fastest Selling Third Party New IP On Wii
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Soneet said:
It´s that a counterargument?
"Oh yeah, the lack of grittiness and darkness sure makes this game look bad"
Haha, if only, the game has silhouettes as gaming graphics, I have seen NES games with more appealing visuals than that.
And what ideas?, what design? have you actually played the thing or are you argumenting for argumenting's shake? We actually have well designed dance games in videogames history, you should check them out to understand what a good videogame is.
Acosta said:
The problem is that fun can be different for different people, which means that what you think is fun is not fun for me or the opposite. Now I dont have any idea if Just Dance is fun for me but it should be pretty obvious that a lot of people find that Just Dance is a good and fun game. If you don't agree sure, but why are you upset about it?
I say congratulations to Ubisoft and for those who bought the game and enjoyed it, please continue to have fun.
McBradders
NeoGAF: my new HOME
Acosta said:
Jesus christ man, there's a reason DDR has faded from the limelight and products like Just Dance are rising to the heavens.
I'm not going to give you the courtesy of pointing out why because it should be blatantly obvious. Then again some people on GAF have such a stupidly idiotic definition of what games should and should not be why am I suprised someone is bashing their heads against their keyboards against harmless fluff like Just Dance?
I find it strange that, while the GAF opinion usually holds that reviews should not try to be "objective" consumer reports, it is claimed by some that SamBishop failed to correctly review this "game". I have a hard time reading correctly as anything other than objectively in this case. It seems that people actually do want the kind of review that ties its evaluation to sales potential or mass market appeal.
McBradders said:
That's your problem, you want to evaluate games based on its popularity and accessibility and nobody will do that.
It´s market penetration is worthless for what we are discussing here: evaluating a game from its merits. DDR had a merit, Just Dance had none beyond a massive marketing campaign.
ShinNL
Member
Do you really think you're replying with a smart argument here? You're actually a lot more shallow than you think.Acosta said:
Sure I'll clarify since you lack the ability to think outside your reach.
Oh wow, is this game ugly! I bet they could have used rendered 3D models or shot real-time videoclips...
--- letting you think for a moment ---
Oh wait, maybe, I don't know, to create these visuals they had to record real-time videos and then apply effects to it! That would actually be a bigger effort, yikes, they wouldn't do that, would they?
If you can't see that...
1. This is a design choice
2. This is actually appealing because it's easy to see, easy to mimic, not distracting from the real people playing, looks simplified yet resembles humans and avoids targeting specific ages or demographics.
...then YOU. ARE. BLIND.
You attempts to say that this is an ugly / non design is ridiculous. Because if you say something like that, you need to provide examples of what could be better? The cluttered mess that is DDR and scares people off? Way to miss the entire point of the game.
What design?
Let's see: 2 clicks to choose a song? No unlocking shit? Easy and non cluttered menu? Color scheme? You think those dozen of Hero games are better? They only got cluttered more and more. To simplify is actually a much harder design choice than just to copy previous games of the same genre. Hero games were always dark and gritty, a design I totally hated (and avoided). Do you read Iwata asks? More isn't always better, they often remove things so you don't get negative effects.
You think all this came out of nothing? Oh, let's make a game that's just less than everything else! No! People actually have to think and make these choices. These were brilliant choices and in sync with what they were aiming for.
The point system: seems easy to score, so no one really ends up feeling like a total failure. However, to get high scores (far exceeding the actual bar) you need to dance precisely to the rhythm. When the scores show people compare who danced the best. During the dance, spectators see who's dancing really well (both in real life and on screen), because lots of bar effects show up if you do everything well.
I'm saying you should go back to your couch and play some games aimed at teens since this is clearly not aimed at you. If you don't see why this isn't about difficulty unlocking, achievements collecting, many-modes options, video-clip playing and accurate mimicking then you have no clue what this game is about.
If you own a Wii and have some friends, I suggest you rent this game for just 1 night and play it. Then you'll either...
1. Understand how incredibly ignorant your arguments are
2. You'll play this with 4 people sitting on the couch wondering why it's still not fun and blaming me
Soneet said:
I find it pretty telling that I learned more about the game in that post than in Ign's review.
I mean it speak of how badly the review system is made that a random poster on the web make a better job than someone paid to do it.
If this was a capitalistic world he would get the reviewer job >.>
McBradders
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Acosta said:
I don't think I'm the one with the problem here.
For serious.
It´s lazy and it´s still unappealing.
I disagree with that, I have played and the thing is extremely vague on how it captures movement. You need precision for doing that you are saying and Just Dance doesn't have the means to capture that.
I have better things to do with my games that play a really bad videogame, thank you very much.
Ok guys, the show is over, I said what I wanted to say. I have expressed my opinion without mocking anyone and respecting your views, even if I really disagree, and I have no interest in taking the conversation to a dead end. Sorry if I have offended you, but it was no my intention at all.
GeekyDad
Member
I think it's great. It clearly defines what Wii is about for general audiences. "Gamers" pretty much knew the score before the system even launched, so folks who feign disgust with a game like this doing well must have been kidding themselves for a long, long time. Besides, it is possible the game is...fun. Sometimes you feel like steak & lobster; other times you just want a $0.99 McDouble. There's nothing wrong with that.
Eh, I don't see the point of leveraging opinions of this game onto other people. It's admittedly a shoddy game but it is fun at parties. People like parties. Two million people in fact. That's just the way it is. But if they don't want it then don't tell them they're flat-out wrong about it.
It's that age old argument of people letting other people play games to their tastes and not being such a snob about it. Now, I've never played Heavy Rain (just as most of you critics have never played Just Dance), but judging by the videos it does look about as interactive an experience as this game. The difference being that where one is a social exercise designed to keep people playing and entertained with bright colours, the other is an engrossing novel with multiple paths and fancy graphics that's immersive to the single player. To the traditional gamers, the one with fancy graphics and plot will be the one favoured. To the outside world, the other is. But there's no point trying to say one isn't a game while championing the other as a breakthrough experience over a fundamental factor like level of interactivity because that's sheer ignorance and an extremely rigid way of thinking. If you can see how both offer fun to different demographics, that's cool beans man.
It's that age old argument of people letting other people play games to their tastes and not being such a snob about it. Now, I've never played Heavy Rain (just as most of you critics have never played Just Dance), but judging by the videos it does look about as interactive an experience as this game. The difference being that where one is a social exercise designed to keep people playing and entertained with bright colours, the other is an engrossing novel with multiple paths and fancy graphics that's immersive to the single player. To the traditional gamers, the one with fancy graphics and plot will be the one favoured. To the outside world, the other is. But there's no point trying to say one isn't a game while championing the other as a breakthrough experience over a fundamental factor like level of interactivity because that's sheer ignorance and an extremely rigid way of thinking. If you can see how both offer fun to different demographics, that's cool beans man.
TheKingsCrown
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RpgN said:
because the context is a business discussion about how JD 2 achieved success where so many other titles failed, and why it's "quality" led to that. People are arguing about quality, but the argument isn't about one's opinion of the quality so much as why the game is quality in the eyes of the 2 million that bought it.
RpgN
Junior Member
There are games that sell millions and don't necessarily mean quality and the reason it sold so well. If the game flopped like the next Petz games, no one would have given a shit about Just Dance 2. I think it just succeeded for coming at the right time, introducing something that hasn't been implemented in such a way (but it lacks a lot) and advertised decently. It reached the mass which is a good thing. I'll never understand how no one gives a shit about a game and then when it sells a lot, suddenly it's because it's supposedly good.
Of course, when it comes to this game, I can't judge if it's good or not for having not played it. I'm just talking in general when a game succeeds or not commercially.
You're right, that would be silly to say so with such an analogy. But there is no other comparable game to Just Dance 2 on the wii, and he didn't really compair it to something else
Of course, when it comes to this game, I can't judge if it's good or not for having not played it. I'm just talking in general when a game succeeds or not commercially.
Mael said:
You're right, that would be silly to say so with such an analogy. But there is no other comparable game to Just Dance 2 on the wii, and he didn't really compair it to something else
Soneet said:
It´s my opinion, nothing else, nothing more, I don't even need to develop it. That you can't stand it it´s completely your problem.
Mael said:
I didn't say it was simple, I said it was imprecise and vague. Meanwhile DDR is precise and have tight routines (aside of a much better audiovisual presentation).
RpgN
Junior Member
Mael said:
I think he has a hard time explaining himself or more like where he is coming from. I think those 2 members are both talking about different things. Where Soneet is mentioning that it's a simple design, chosen on purpose for the game and to not being unclutered is different to Acosta not liking the style and the impression it gives to him. Maybe he doesn't like the colours, the front type, the way the in-game character is displayed? There is nothing wrong with saying that in my opinion.
ShinNL
Member
Acosta said:
*points you to*
That's not an opinion. That's you being blind. If you can't see the design, can't see the technical effort and can't see the appeal doesn't mean it's not there. Don't try to chicken out now by saying it's all an opinion. You clearly weren't stating your opinion, you were trying to state facts about what the game was and that the low score was well deserved. You wuss. One moment you try to stay strong, next moment you say it's all an opinion and you're untouchable. What's next? Saying you're done? Oh wait, you already did that.
I own just dance. Both sides are right its a pretty crappy game but its fun. Even my wife realizes the controls aren't responsive and there is no point to it but we like to play it. Its sad to see that sales justify a games merits. Everyone hates these games when they are announced for the Wii but if they succeed they become the calling card of "nintendo blue ocean hardlycore" agenda pushing crew.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
US Million sellers from PSX/N64/DC/GBA/DS/PSP/PS2/PS3/Wii/360, Metacritic below 65;
(GameRankings used for PS1 / N64)
(games with tied scores are in no particular order, source for million sales is NPD 97-03 spreadsheet leak from years ago combined with any leaked numbers we got since then; I have no access to post-leak ban NPD numbers)
If Just Dance breaks a million in the US, it will be the third worst rated million seller of all time.
(GameRankings used for PS1 / N64)
Code:
Tetris Worlds GBA 65
Wii Music WII 63
Simpsons Road Rage PS2 64
Sonic Heroes PS2 64
Monopoly PS1 64
Finding Nemo PS2 63
Crash Bandicoot Cortex PS3 62
Mario Party 8 WII 62
Pokemon MD: Blue Rescue DS 62
Enter the Matrix PS2 62
Yoshi's Story N64 62
Tomorrow Never Dies PS1 62
Hannah Montana Music Jam DS 61
Tetris Plus PS1 60
Star Wars Episodes III 60
Wii Play WII 58
Carnival Games WII 56
A Bug's Life PS1 54
DBZ Legacy of Goku GBA 53
Cruisin' USA N64 52
Spec Ops PS1 52
Cars GBA 50
Twisted Metal 3 PS1 49
Tetris Worlds PS2 44
Game Party WII 25
Imagine Babyz DS NR
Imagine Fashion Design DS NR
Frogger's Adventures GBA NR
Finding Nemo GBA NR
Disney Princess NRIf Just Dance breaks a million in the US, it will be the third worst rated million seller of all time.
Toy Soldier
Member
Hopefully these sales mean they'll bother licensing all of the master recordings next time.
No Britney on Womanizer was downright criminal. Spare me the Kidz Bop version of 3 in Just Dance II.
No Britney on Womanizer was downright criminal. Spare me the Kidz Bop version of 3 in Just Dance II.
RpgN
Junior Member
Mael said:
XD Ahhh...maybe, there definitely seems to be a conflict going on, ignoring parts that have also been said and only hammering on certain points. But yeah, hmmmm....
Hammer24 said:
I meant as in no game being better than Just Dance 2 for Acosta and being comparable in the same genre. Because I didn't see him compairing Just Dance 2 with onther dance game on the wii that is actually better to him?
megashock5
Member
Son of Godzilla said:
This. My parents bought it and I tried it once when I was over there. Thought it was okay.
Then a week or so later we had a big group over there and my kids and my niece and nephew were playing it four player - I'm not sure I've ever laughed so hard watching someone play a game.
I instantly saw why this was a huge seller. For get-togethers, it's immensely entertaining.
RpgN said:
Actually this comparison is very valid,
I find MSFT designs cluttered and useless in how you can't find anything unless you know beforehand and prefer Apple's school of design of having very few things shown but having only the most vital information on screen.
Some prefer having MSFT's way as it allow them to see directly what they want and avoid sifting through the product to get the info the designers deemed useless.
Just dance is very zen in its design, nothing wasteful there, it might come from utter laziness on Ubi's part but it's still miles ahead of the cluttered mess we're subjected IMO.
Acosta said:
I deny that his argument is reasoned and fair. I deny this because I think that the argument 1) inaccurately and unfairly trivialises a major accomplishment of the game and 2) seems to do so on the basis of the incorrect assumption that all games should have the same design goals.
I deny all of these claims (except, perhaps, the last, for aesthetics might be a matter of pure subjectivity).
Acosta said:
Aside from the claim of its unappealing nature, I think you need to recognise the difference between not doing anything and deciding not to do something. One involves action; the other doesn't. I question how this design decision can be recognised as "lazy".
I think there is a successful argument here that certain aspects of Just Dance do not count as a game, but I think that the best way to resolve the argument (that it is either a game or a piece of software) is to categorise it as a piece of software which contains a game within it.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
And for that reason I can support it, even if I don't enjoy it or particularly like the game. Anything that gets consoles being played by families and more accepted by the mainstream has a net good effect on the industry, I feel.megashock5 said:
GitarooMan
Member
One thing to consider is that not all 2 million people who bought that it was "quality" after playing it (along the lines of millions of people went to see Transformers 2 who thought it was shitty after watching it).
mentalfloss
Banned
Ubisoft - the Steven Seagal of the videogame industry.
mentalfloss
Banned
Draft said:
It should also be the posterchild for Natal and Move.
xray49er
Member
Get the family together, get some alcohol in the adults. This is by far to most fun i had with a wii game since wii sports. Sure it does not look good, sure there are not master tracks for all songs. But for fun and laughs and having a good time with the kids, this game is a blast. My niece got it for christmas and everybody played the next day every kid in my family with a wii went out a bought this game it is very fun whether you are playing or just watching people make a fool of themselves.
crazy monkey
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
It might easily do that. Advertise are everywhere on TV specially when Dancing with the stars is on. It is fun game to play and buzz is high. like above post ^