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Crocodile · Sep 12, 2016

charlequin said:
Man, everyone takes every single event as an opportunity to spin these stories about how WotC is run by these, like, cruel ogres who just look for ways to make horrible decisions that piss off their fans. They are very clearly aware of the situation with Damnation and what people are expecting from them about it -- Rosewater and Forsythe have acknowledged it explicitly recently. Rosewater notes several times in this article that this can be one part of an effective reprint strategy, not all of it. Like I don't think they have been successful so far in the reprinting goal but it's not really because they're just whistling past the graveyard.

Woah there buddy why don't we cool our jets for a bit

I just don't thinking describing this as part of their reprint strategy really makes sense since this puts so few new cards into circulation. I mean its technically accurate but feels tone-deaf. I'm sorry I feel that WOTC has been less than ideal with their reprint strategy but at the same time I'm not on a plane to Seattle to knock some heads around so you can put away your counter-pitchforks

voOsh · Sep 12, 2016

Contraband Kingpin is such a bad name for a Magic card lol

red13th · Sep 12, 2016

charlequin said:
What's the hypocritical part? Where are they contradicting themselves?

Nowhere, I hadn't read the whole article and made assumptions. They make it clear that they aren't deluded into thinking this is a remotely effective reprint strategy:

We want the Masterpiece Series to be opt-in. Cards that appear in a Masterpiece Series should be available elsewhere in an easier-to-acquire version. Magic sets should be just as fun as always if you ignore the Masterpiece Series. It is added value that can be ignored if desired.

It's just a cash grab for people who like pimp cards. Nothing wrong wih it.

blindrocket · Sep 12, 2016

Matriox said:

I wonder if this is good enough for Vintage. Probably not.

SigmasonicX · Sep 12, 2016

Seems good in Limited.

EDIT:

OnPoint · Sep 12, 2016

It's like 1/5 of Ancient Stirrings on a blue flier.

Pretty cool.

siddx · Sep 12, 2016

Xis said:
I know I feel this way.
Theros block - It is not too difficult to collect all the alternate arts (FNMs, etc) for Theros block.
Tarkir block - it is much more difficult to collect all the alternate arts, thanks to the Ugin's Fate promos, but there's only really one expensive card (promo Ugin goes for over $100).
Battle for Zendikar block - if you include the expeditions, this is basically impossible to complete.
I imagine Shadows over Innistrad block is easier, but we revert back to the BFZ model starting with Kaladesh on.

Yeah I transitioned from being a player first, collector second for almost 20 years, to being a collector first instead a few years ago when it became hard to find other players. I was building a pretty nice collection for a while with all the staples, promos, and uniques. But with modern masters, from the vaults, billions of promos, commander, and now expeditions, there is just too much to keep up with without spending silly money. Especially because I love cracking boosters to find value. The gambler in me I guess.

I am going to start sticking with staples that are guaranteed to retain or raise in value and just sell the rest. Probably use some of that money to get a bunch more old duals and lock em away for a few years.

Ashodin · Sep 12, 2016

Starting to come together, dwarf rw equipment.

That new one drop is insane with that artificer goggles

"God's Beard!" · Sep 12, 2016

Just one artifact land.

Please.

Joe Molotov · Sep 12, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216683122]Just one artifact land.

Please.[/QUOTE]

No.

Probably.

"God's Beard!" · Sep 12, 2016

Aether hub would have been the most godlike artifact land.

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 12, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216683722]Aether hub would have been the most godlike artifact land.[/QUOTE]

Do you want affinity to get further bannings?

SigmasonicX · Sep 12, 2016

lol look at this edgelord

rigval asked: It's worst possible thing to add super-mythics in the game and you'll be punished for your greed. It

Greed? Everything you were going to get in a Kaladesh booster is still there. Weve just added the chance to get something cool, all of which are cards available through other means at a normal rarity. And the existence of Masterpiece cards will make it easier to acquire the nonMasterpiece cards in the set. How is giving you extra value for free greedy?

Hero · Sep 12, 2016

Anyone want to speculate on what other artifacts we could see for Masterpieces?

I'm super hoping for a Sol Ring, I hate the new era art and want something else.

Icy Manipulator because it's generic and kind of iconic for older players.

OnPoint · Sep 12, 2016

He's not wrong, it is cool stuff for free.

It's just that them being hard to get makes me feel like I'm missing out haha

Ashodin · Sep 12, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216683722]Aether hub would have been the most godlike artifact land.[/QUOTE]

you're goddamned right. I need artifact lands and that white one drop would be sick as fuck

Chance of this reprint in Amonkhet?

The Technomancer · Sep 12, 2016

Huh they said all of them would be revealed today, but we haven't seen any other than the initial four. I wonder what the schedule for rolling them out is

Llyrwenne · Sep 12, 2016

Artifact Lands. xD
Any new playable artifact land would pretty much break affinity.
Maybe if they did this;

Artiland
Artifact Land
Artiland enters the battlefield tapped.

: Add

to your mana pool.

OnPoint · Sep 12, 2016

No more artifact lands. Jesus christ what's wrong with you people lol

kirblar · Sep 12, 2016

Hero said:
Anyone want to speculate on what other artifacts we could see for Masterpieces?

I'm super hoping for a Sol Ring, I hate the new era art and want something else.

Icy Manipulator because it's generic and kind of iconic for older players.

Things that immediately come to mind:

Sol Ring
Icy Manipulator
Engineered Explosives
Cranial Plating
Artifact Lands
Arcbound Ravager
Masticore

Huh they said all of them would be revealed today, but we haven't seen any other than the initial four. I wonder what the schedule for rolling them out is

5PM PST

Crocodile · Sep 12, 2016

SigmasonicX said:
Seems good in Limited.

EDIT:

The bird harkens back to

and

Better than both those cards but strictly better than neither (though it comes damn close in the case of the Neurok Familiar)

As for the Black 4 drop, that seems to be another card in WOTC's recent push to differentiate Black from Red and give Black higher toughness creatures. Seems like a fine card in most limited formats - we'll see soon if that's true as well in Kaladesh.

SigmasonicX said:
lol look at this edgelord

See, this is who your ire should be pointed at charlequin

OnPoint · Sep 12, 2016

Ashodin said:
you're goddamned right. I need artifact lands and that white one drop would be sick as fuck

Chance of this reprint in Amonkhet?

Low since they've basically done away with protection.

Matriox · Sep 12, 2016

Rangers Guile 2.0

ultron87 · Sep 12, 2016

Mox Opal would be pretty sweet to have in a neat frame.

Ashodin · Sep 12, 2016

OnPoint said:
Low since they've basically done away with protection.

protection stops the menace that is Reflector Mage

we need it back

I can't just play green for hexproof goddammit

OnPoint · Sep 12, 2016

Matriox said:
Rangers Guile 2.0

Does this see play in Infect?

darkside31337 · Sep 12, 2016

Matriox said:
Rangers Guile 2.0

way better than guile (duh). think infect decks will give it a shot, easier on the mana than vines

Hero · Sep 12, 2016

kirblar said:
Things that immediately come to mind:

Sol Ring
Icy Manipulator
Engineered Explosives
Cranial Plating
Artifact Lands
Arcbound Ravager
Masticore

5PM PST

Cranial Plating would be sick.

Aren't the Artifact Lands and Arcbound Ravager kind of unique to Mirrodin?

Solemn might be fun and it's very Commander group friendly. Sword cycle too.

A Serious Man · Sep 12, 2016

SigmasonicX said:

So why do you get to choose the order in which you put cards on the bottom of your library with this, but everything else in the set has you putting them on the bottom at random?

bigkrev · Sep 12, 2016

I still stand by the fact that unbanning the artifact lands wouldn't have significant impact on Affinity. You are still running 4x Inkmoth as it's a great win condition with Ravager counters and Plating (especially when infinite life is popular), you are probably still running Glimmervoid (especially for your SB cards, but also casting Galvanic Blast, Painless Vault Skirge and Master off of 1 land is still valuable), so It's basically a case where the colored ones would replace the some number of Blinkmoths and likely all the Darksteel Citadels. So you would be netting maybe 4 more Artifact Lands than you do currently- they certainly make Turn 1 Opal better (makes you more likely to cast a 2 drop on turn 1), but you are then trading the long game value of Blinkmoth (which dodges most artifact/creature sweepers and can increase an Inkmoth's clock).

Artifact Lands need to stay banned because of KCI and other broken things.

SigmasonicX · Sep 12, 2016

Matriox said:
Rangers Guile 2.0

Odd that it only hits creatures you control. Perhaps players mistakenly thought they could use instant hexproof spells to counter spells opponents cast on their own creatures, like with Vines of Vastwood.

EDIT:

A Serious Man said:
So why do you get to choose the order in which you put cards on the bottom of your library with this, but everything else in the set has you putting them on the bottom at random?

With small amounts of cards, they allow you to put them back in any order. With large or variable amounts of cards, they use a random order instead.

OnPoint · Sep 12, 2016

SigmasonicX said:
Odd that it only hits creatures you control. Perhaps players mistakenly thought they could use instant hexproof spells to counter spells opponents cast on their own creatures, like with Vines of Vastwood.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=397747&type=card[/IG][/QUOTE]

I could see a moment where someone does this thinking it would work and learning it doesn't, leading to a feel-bad moment.

divisionbyzorro · Sep 12, 2016

SigmasonicX said:
Odd that it only hits creatures you control. Perhaps players mistakenly thought they could use instant hexproof spells to counter spells opponents cast on their own creatures, like with Vines of Vastwood.

I have a theory that they make cards that are strictly (or almost entirely) beneficial only be able to target your stuff to prevent feelbads in digital Magic products.

Angry Grimace · Sep 12, 2016

kirblar said:
Things that immediately come to mind:

Sol Ring
Icy Manipulator
Engineered Explosives
Cranial Plating
Artifact Lands
Arcbound Ravager
Masticore

5PM PST

Things I was thinking of - Mox Opal, Chrome Mox, Black Vise, Skullclamp, Mana Vault, Winter Orb, Mindslaver, Platinum Angel?

Artifact Lands are very specific to Mirrodin (all of them are specific places, Darksteel is specific to Mirrodin as well).

OnPoint said:
Does this see play in Infect?

I don't know if Infect really wants more copies of Vines. I'd just as soon they just fucking ban Infect out. Fuck Infect.

Ashodin · Sep 12, 2016

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Supast4r · Sep 12, 2016

blindrocket said:
I wonder if this is good enough for Vintage. Probably not.

He probably isn't. I don't think the card will see any play in eternal formats/modern because the card is bad on defense and there are better cards you could be playing.

Supast4r · Sep 12, 2016

Kingpin might be playable in modern grixis in the sideboard just because he has a great body. A 1/4 lifelink in those colors is godsent.

Angry Grimace · Sep 12, 2016

bigkrev said:
I still stand by the fact that unbanning the artifact lands wouldn't have significant impact on Affinity. You are still running 4x Inkmoth as it's a great win condition with Ravager counters and Plating (especially when infinite life is popular), you are probably still running Glimmervoid (especially for your SB cards, but also casting Galvanic Blast, Painless Vault Skirge and Master off of 1 land is still valuable), so It's basically a case where the colored ones would replace the some number of Blinkmoths and likely all the Darksteel Citadels. So you would be netting maybe 4 more Artifact Lands than you do currently- they certainly make Turn 1 Opal better (makes you more likely to cast a 2 drop o
n turn 1), but you are then trading the long game value of Blinkmoth (which dodges most artifact/creature sweepers and can increase an Inkmoth's clock).

Artifact Lands need to stay banned because of KCI and other broken things.

The Seat of the Synod cycle is getting unbanned on the first of never.

"God's Beard!" · Sep 12, 2016

have they spoiled baleful strix yet

Hero · Sep 12, 2016

I hope Ornithopter is a Masterpiece. I would love some bling Ornithopters.

Llyrwenne · Sep 12, 2016

kirblar said:
Things that immediately come to mind:

Sol Ring
Icy Manipulator
Engineered Explosives
Cranial Plating
Artifact Lands
Arcbound Ravager
Masticore

5PM PST

Angry Grimace said:
Things I was thinking of - Mox Opal, Chrome Mox, Black Vise, Skullclamp, Mana Vault, Winter Orb, Mindslaver, Platinum Angel?

Artifact Lands are very specific to Mirrodin (all of them are specific places, Darksteel is specific to Mirrodin as well).

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Aether Vial seems like an easy prediction. You know, because Aether.

Hero · Sep 12, 2016

Llyrwenne said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but Aether Vial seems like an easy prediction. You know, because Aether.

Aether Vial is definitely a good one. It should be in Aether Revolt but watch them put it in Kaladesh for you know, reasons.

Oblivion Stone please.

red13th · Sep 12, 2016

kirblar said:
Things that immediately come to mind:

Sol Ring
Icy Manipulator
Engineered Explosives
Cranial Plating
Artifact Lands
Arcbound Ravager
Masticore

5PM PST

Masticore is on the reserved list, Artifact lands are setting specific I think but would be pretty cool!

Ones I want: Smokestack, Tangle Wire, Scroll Rack, Worn Powerstone, Sword of Fire and Ice, Mimic Vat, Grafted Wargear, Sundering Titan.

EDIT: Ooooh Mana Vault would be nice.

"God's Beard!" · Sep 12, 2016

Hell, Aether Vial could just be straight-up reprinted into Standard.

Familienoberhauptvogel · Sep 12, 2016

Llyrwenne said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but Aether Vial seems like an easy prediction. You know, because Aether.

Same with Vedalken Shackles.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216688924]Hell, Aether Vial could just be straight-up reprinted into Standard.[/QUOTE]

You thought you hated Reflector Mage and Spell queller before...

Angry Grimace · Sep 12, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216688924]Hell, Aether Vial could just be straight-up reprinted into Standard.[/QUOTE]

It would be just as annoying as Collected Company.

"God's Beard!" · Sep 12, 2016

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
You thought you hated Reflector Mage and Spell queller before...

I mean, Spell Queller already has Flash. Aether Vial isn't gonna hit a whole lot of interesting stuff before 3 counters anyway.

Angry Grimace · Sep 12, 2016

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216689239]I mean, Spell Queller already has Flash. Aether Vial isn't gonna hit a whole lot of interesting stuff before 3 counters anyway.[/QUOTE]

Playing it for free is pretty good.

They're not reprinting Aether Vial. I mean, Maro already said there are only 5 cards in Kaladesh Inventions that are in Kaladesh itself. It's the Gearhulk cycle.

SigmasonicX · Sep 12, 2016

As a reminder, there will still be more revealed for Aether Revolt, if today's reveal leaves something out. And yeah, artifacts with Aether or Vedalken in the name seem like sure bets.

EDIT: Here's an old list of the top 50 artifacts of all time. We can probably expect a fair number of ones that aren't on the Reserved List.

charlequin · Sep 12, 2016

Xis said:
I know I feel this way.

The quantity of "bling" card releases has definitely gone way, way, way up. If you wanted to count up everything from the last year, you'd be looking at:

Standard pack foils of every single card in four expansions and two reprint booster expansions
Pre-release foils of every rare and mythic from four expansions
Set-specific promos: one Launch Party, two Game Day, one Buy-a-Box, and five Intro Pack promos per set
Custom foil or alt-art cards from two sets of Duel Decks
Five premium SDCC planeswalkers
45 Zendikar Expeditions
One 15-card From the Vault set
Eight Judge foils
Two big box store promos
One promo each for WMCQ, RPTQ, and GP tournaments
One Happy Holidays promo

I think that's everything? And of course it goes up further with Expeditions in every set.

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