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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Simply Sarah
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I assume the FTV Dryad Arbor issue being discussed is the fact that it has a text box identical to a Forest and honestly is easy to mistake for a foil Forest if you glance at it quickly?
Yep, it can easily get "lost" in the pile of lands as any other foil Forest.
I'd just ban all FTV cards from tournament play because of how they warp differently than any other card. Now that the line is probably dead, no reason not to do it
Wulfric
Member
Did something happen on camera? I haven't been watching WMC at all today.
Yeah, a guy fetched for a dryad arbor with his grafdigger's cage out. Wasn't noticed until after the draw step, so he got to keep it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
So I ended up not winning a single match but I did beat a liliana emblem with 4 colour Summonings on the back of 2 radiant flames paired with 2 Metallurgic Summonings.
Even in favourable matchups I ended up screwed multiple games in a row. Yet I'm playing 25 lands and 4 Anticipate.
Even in favourable matchups I ended up screwed multiple games in a row. Yet I'm playing 25 lands and 4 Anticipate.
You have received the Curse of Angry Grimace.
That is quite annoying. I went to FNM last week and played Thing Control, 26 lands. One game I started with 3 lands and one Anticipate on the draw and drew another Anticipate on turn 3. I didn't find a 4th land until turn 7, the 13th card I saw that wasn't in my starting hand.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
One game I was on 5 lands a summary Dismissal in the graveyard and a Fatcaster in hand, 4 or 5 turns later my opponent resolved Emrakul.
ThLunarian
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Grave-shell Scarab maybe.
Also Stinkweed Imp would be a solid but not broken card if it had Dredge 2 or 3. Maybe tweak its stats slightly too.
Wulfric
Member
Oh, that's problematic. Yeah, that wouldn't happen with the Future Sight border at all. I can see it happening accidentally. I've fetched with my own Aven Mindcensor in play, but then again I'm not playing Professional REL events either.
Simply Sarah
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Eh, I feel the same rules that apply to any other cards should apply to FtV cards that aren't inherently confusing: If any cards are warped, bent, marked, or otherwise have features that somehow make them stand out from the rest of deck then they're forbidden but otherwise as long as they're from an official release that wasn't explicitly intended to not for tournament use (e.g. silver and gold bordered cards) then they should be allowed, with exceptions for things like the Wald misprint.
On that same note I feel like Darkblast is pretty reasonable and not busted?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's super annoying, your deck should work but you're just sitting there while your opponent gets to do his own thing.
Another game my opponent borded in Fevered Visions had 2 out on the board and I was still being screwed by only drawing them from the visions, if at all, and never my draw for the turn.
Infinite Stars
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Aven Mindcensor only effects your opponents. From Oracle text:
If an opponent would search a library, that player searches the top four cards of that library instead.
So you'd be good with it out.
charlequin
Banned
Yes. It's been a problem for a while, at multiple events, and given how often you see FTV cards at top tables otherwise it's quite clear that the only reason for running this is to try to get cheap points off of opponent confusion. I understand what they were trying to do with this printing but what they actually did was dumb and bad.
I am Error
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I've been working on a wall deck that I wanted to build for years.
Here's my current decklist.
Any ideas on how to improve on the concept?
I'm also struggling with the mana base. I can't afford fetch lands or other expensive lands. This is just for casual play with friends, but I would buy pain/fast/shock/check lands for this deck.
Here's my current decklist.
Any ideas on how to improve on the concept?
I'm also struggling with the mana base. I can't afford fetch lands or other expensive lands. This is just for casual play with friends, but I would buy pain/fast/shock/check lands for this deck.
charlequin
Banned
Couple of things. You've got what's obviously an innately defensive concept, but you'll probably want more redundancy in win conditions. I see you've got 4, but I'd probably have 6-8 total in the deck. You have a few options on top of the ones you've got. If you want to do cards that animate, you've got Animate Wall, Wakestone Gargoyle, and Warmonger's Chariot. If you've got a more diverse set of options you can probably dump the Sterling Groves.
You also probably want to look at the defenders-matter themes in Rise of the Eldrazi, Return to Ravnica, and Conspiracy. That'll get you some extra win condition options (Doorkeeper, Flamewright, and Vent Sentinel) and some good utility, like Axebane Guardian which can help with your mana fixing, Overgrown Battlement which can ramp you, and Perimeter Captain which gains you life. A lot of these aren't technically walls but at least still keep in the theme of defender creatures.
FInally, I'd sneak a little utility (card draw, creature destruction especially) in.
ThLunarian
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Rolling Stones does nothing on its own. All of your Walls have 0 power. You might as well play 4 Assault Formation instead.
I might consider splashing for a 1 or 2-of Phenax, God of Deception. You'll mill them out in like 2 turns and won't even have to sacrifice the ability to block.
Edit: Ancient Ziggurat might actually work pretty well in this deck for mana fixing. The only thing it doesn't work with is Assault Formation. I think it'll even work for Phenax, despite not being able to fulfill Devotion.
I am Error
Member
Thanks for the advice guys, it's appreciated.
I will look through your suggestions tommorow and see what I might change.
I will look through your suggestions tommorow and see what I might change.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Also, for fixing, you can look at Axebane Guardian or Sylvan Caryatid. For casual play, Trilands are fine, check land are dece if you run enough basics. Krosan Verge does work, but slow.
Joiner Adept if you need all colours
When I've made Wall decks, base Green is usually the way I have done it.
Joiner Adept if you need all colours
When I've made Wall decks, base Green is usually the way I have done it.
If you want to run Rolling Stones/Assault Formation, you should probably be running 4x of each, as you need to play at least one of them before you can actually win. I'd also run 4x Doran, as your walls all have zero power. I'd drop the Wall of Hopes for Sylvan Caryatd for some fixing (this is a 3-4 color deck), and while Cavern of Souls is probably out of your price range, Thran Quarry will give you 5 colors of fixing, will let you cast your noncreature spells, and is very unlikely to die because of how survivable your creatures are.
Wulfric
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For the three of you who use Magic Online, WotC posted a survey link on twitter. FYI, there's no room for short statements. Questions about things that actually need fixing, like pricing and event structures are not included. It's mostly asking about QoL stuff like bugs and the GUI.
Good to know, it doesn't help that my copy is in Japanese. >___<
Good to know, it doesn't help that my copy is in Japanese. >___<
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I didn't know this card existed but it's beautiful.
The flavor is awesome, and Kamigawa rocks. Western interpretation of japanese imagery is very unique.
Ghost Dad played it back in Kamigawa Ravnica standard, with Nantuko Husk. I like it a lot too.
divisionbyzorro
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Poor Jacob Wilson.
One is banned in every format and restricted in vintage and one sees occasional play in modern. IMHO Dig is worse than Cryptic in most standard settings.
This isn't that surprising. Red only gave you the pyroclasms and weaker sideboard options.
I am Error
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Again thanks for your feedback. Here's my updated list
3 Steel Wall
3 Wall of Hope
3 Wall of Omens
3 Overgrown Battlement
3 Wall of Blossoms
3 Fog Bank
3 Wall of Frost
3 Hover Barrier
3 Wall of Denial
4 Assault Formation
4 Muddle the Mixture
2 Rolling Stones
I should have mentioned that I wanted this to be a wall deck only.
I know that this makes the deck weaker, but that's totally fine by me.
Rolling Stones wasn't excluded because Assault Formation can't target the strongest wall (Wall of Denial).
Overgrown Battlement is an awesome addition. I will need the green mana for Assault Formation.
Muddle the Mixture is something I found when I was looking for similar decks. It seems to be pretty good in this deck. I can counter removal or pump spells or search my library for Rolling Stones/Assault Formation or any other 2-mana wall. I thinks that's a great utility card.
All in all I'm pretty happy with this list. It was pretty hard to cut things and make room for the additions.
The mana base is something that I still need to figure out though. 1 or 2 Ancient Ziggurat and Thran Quarry will probably find a spot.
3 Steel Wall
3 Wall of Hope
3 Wall of Omens
3 Overgrown Battlement
3 Wall of Blossoms
3 Fog Bank
3 Wall of Frost
3 Hover Barrier
3 Wall of Denial
4 Assault Formation
4 Muddle the Mixture
2 Rolling Stones
I should have mentioned that I wanted this to be a wall deck only.
I know that this makes the deck weaker, but that's totally fine by me.
Rolling Stones wasn't excluded because Assault Formation can't target the strongest wall (Wall of Denial).
Overgrown Battlement is an awesome addition. I will need the green mana for Assault Formation.
Muddle the Mixture is something I found when I was looking for similar decks. It seems to be pretty good in this deck. I can counter removal or pump spells or search my library for Rolling Stones/Assault Formation or any other 2-mana wall. I thinks that's a great utility card.
All in all I'm pretty happy with this list. It was pretty hard to cut things and make room for the additions.
The mana base is something that I still need to figure out though. 1 or 2 Ancient Ziggurat and Thran Quarry will probably find a spot.
Wulfric
Member
Have you looked the Theros temple cycle? Those are pretty cheap these days. Seaside Citadel from Alara would be good as well.
If anyone wants to watch some standard, a SCG Open is streaming:https://www.twitch.tv/scglive
Joe Molotov
Member
Took one look at the board state in this W/U Flash mirror, then closed the window.
They're in different time zones, different continents, different formats and one is an open while the other is a small qualified only tournament, I don't see why you would schedule around it?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
SCG grinders aren't even vaguely qualified for WMC
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
One of the US team member is literally an SCG grinder...
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
What percentage is that of the field
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