Was actually pretty good.
Probably because it focused primarily on the world and what makes it unique (the Aetherborn), which has always been a strength. And they gave Yahenni a good voice.
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Was actually pretty good.
Probably because it focused primarily on the world and what makes it unique (the Aetherborn), which has always been a strength. And they gave Yahenni a good voice.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
oh look another fnm promo that sees zero play and is even outclassed in casual by a cheap card
I wanted this card to be good
. I thought that the fact they made it uncommon instead of rare like every other variant was a sign that it might be playable, but alasFamilienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I played with and against the card it would have been good at 5
Maybe it's the fact that FNM promos are mostly Garbage nowadays that's leading to bad attendance. Lets look at the last few years
2013:
Searing Spear
Reliquary Tower
Farseek
Call of the Conclave
Judge's Familiar
Izzet Charm
Rakdos Cackler
Dimir Charm
Experiemt One
Chor-Clan Rampager
Grisly Salvage
Sin Collector
The only cards on that list that didn't see real standard play were Call of the Conclave (and that was a card powerful enough to see play, it just never found a deck), Reliquary Tower (EDH staple), and Dimir Charm.
2014:
Warleader's Helix
Elvish Mystic
Banisher Priest
Encroaching Wastes
Tormented Hero
Dissolve
Magma Spray
Bile Blight
Banishing Light
Fanatic of Xenagos
Brain Maggot
Stoke the Flames
Encroaching Wastes was a complete whiff, Tormented Hero wasn't a good enough 2/1 for 1 to see real play, and Fanatic of Xenagos was a powerful card I don't recall ever seeing play, but we are still doing OK here
2015
Frenzied Goblin
Disdainful Stroke
Hordeling Outburst
Suspension Field
Abzan Beastmaster
Frost Walker
Path to Exile
Serum Visions
Orator of Ojutai
Ultimate Price
Roast
Anticipate
While Goblin, Orator, Frost Walker and Beastmaster all jump off the page, they are counteracted by Modern Staples Path and Visions. Not a good year, but not a disaster
2016
Nissa's Pilgramage
Clash of Wills
Smash to Smithereens
Blighted Fen
Goblin Warcheif
Sylvan Scrying
Spatial Contortion
Crumbling Vestige
Flaying Tendrils
Rise from the Tides
Fiery Temper
Call of the Bloodline
Smash is a Modern playable, Goblin Warcheif is a cool casual card, and Sylvan Scrying was a $5 card before it got reprinted in BFZ, and Fiery Temper is a good card. Otherwise... 8 constructed unplayables that don't even have casual appeal.
EDIT: and just for giggles and cries, here was 2012:
Glistener Elf
Despise
Tectonic Edge
Dismember
Ancient Grudge
Acidic Slime
Forbidden Alchemy
Avacyn's Pilgrim
Lingering Souls
Evolving Wilds
Pillar of Flame
Gitaxian Probe
2013:
Searing Spear
Reliquary Tower
Farseek
Call of the Conclave
Judge's Familiar
Izzet Charm
Rakdos Cackler
Dimir Charm
Experiemt One
Chor-Clan Rampager
Grisly Salvage
Sin Collector
The only cards on that list that didn't see real standard play were Call of the Conclave (and that was a card powerful enough to see play, it just never found a deck), Reliquary Tower (EDH staple), and Dimir Charm.
2014:
Warleader's Helix
Elvish Mystic
Banisher Priest
Encroaching Wastes
Tormented Hero
Dissolve
Magma Spray
Bile Blight
Banishing Light
Fanatic of Xenagos
Brain Maggot
Stoke the Flames
Encroaching Wastes was a complete whiff, Tormented Hero wasn't a good enough 2/1 for 1 to see real play, and Fanatic of Xenagos was a powerful card I don't recall ever seeing play, but we are still doing OK here
2015
Frenzied Goblin
Disdainful Stroke
Hordeling Outburst
Suspension Field
Abzan Beastmaster
Frost Walker
Path to Exile
Serum Visions
Orator of Ojutai
Ultimate Price
Roast
Anticipate
While Goblin, Orator, Frost Walker and Beastmaster all jump off the page, they are counteracted by Modern Staples Path and Visions. Not a good year, but not a disaster
2016
Nissa's Pilgramage
Clash of Wills
Smash to Smithereens
Blighted Fen
Goblin Warcheif
Sylvan Scrying
Spatial Contortion
Crumbling Vestige
Flaying Tendrils
Rise from the Tides
Fiery Temper
Call of the Bloodline
Smash is a Modern playable, Goblin Warcheif is a cool casual card, and Sylvan Scrying was a $5 card before it got reprinted in BFZ, and Fiery Temper is a good card. Otherwise... 8 constructed unplayables that don't even have casual appeal.
EDIT: and just for giggles and cries, here was 2012:
Glistener Elf
Despise
Tectonic Edge
Dismember
Ancient Grudge
Acidic Slime
Forbidden Alchemy
Avacyn's Pilgrim
Lingering Souls
Evolving Wilds
Pillar of Flame
Gitaxian Probe
I don't understand what Wizards is trying to accomplish with these FNM foil choices. If it's to promote FNM attendence, you don't choose jank.
They are usually uncommon right? Why not Aether Hub? Harnessed Lightning? Reflector Mage? Hell, even Longtusk Cub? You know, cards people card about. I'm sure I've missed other good choices.
They are usually uncommon right? Why not Aether Hub? Harnessed Lightning? Reflector Mage? Hell, even Longtusk Cub? You know, cards people card about. I'm sure I've missed other good choices.
Fanatic saw play for sure, but your point stands. The FNM promos are garbage now
Why don't they just wait further into the season to see whats the hot card people will show up for and until then do Modern/Commander/ and even Legacy staples promos?
Hell Id even throw a deck together if I knew there was a chance for something like promo Mind Over Matter or Toxic Deluge. It really doesn't seem that hard to read the meta.
Hell Id even throw a deck together if I knew there was a chance for something like promo Mind Over Matter or Toxic Deluge. It really doesn't seem that hard to read the meta.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If we want to take the time it takes into account, there's radiant flames, vessel of nascency, grapple with the past, dead weight,...
I really want a nice version of anticipate the previous is hideous.
SigmasonicX
Member
Magic Story - In the Dead of Night
* Yahenni, from "Born of Aether", is dying. I went to that story to check to see when they said they were going to die, and discovered the odd timeline issue that the end of the Inventor's Fair, the time of their death, was stated to be a month away. Note that in that story, Chandra and the others find out that Pia is being held at Dhund Prison, and Pia is rescued at the end of the Inventors' Fair. So apparently Chandra and the others just wandered around for a month after learning what prison to go to. Or perhaps the way to resolve this contradiction is that the Fair ended early, despite comments that Pia's fight was scheduled for the last day.
* Anyway, Yahenni is wandering the empty streets, cleared due to a curfew, looking for someone to give them one last party. A gremlin follows them around and eats the pieces that fall off.
* Yahenni comes across the caterer they hired for the now-canceled Penultimate Party, who is now a renegade doing some tagging. They're confronted by Consulate guards.
* The narration confirms that Yahenni last saw Chandra a few weeks ago.
* Yahenni drains the life of the enforcer, and through their emphatic powers, feels everything the enforcer does as he died. But they realize they've been healed, and have a full 12 more days to live.
* They think they can live with killing people if they join the right side. Yahenni goes to Gonti for information.
* Gonti has a mysterious metal device attached to their chest.
* Due to their emphatic powers, conversations between aetherborn tend to be quick and to the point. Yahenni notes that Gonti has underlying desperation and dread, and figures that they are close to dying too; that's probably what the device is for.
* Gonti is able to compare Yahenni's appearance to when they saw them last, and thus realizes that Yahenni drained someone's life. Gonti can't do that. They ask about it, and Yahenni's emotions show a mix of exhilaration and deep suffering.
* Gonti agrees to tell them where the renegades are, as long as Yahenni is willing to keep killing. Gonti plans on alerting the Consulate to their location to spur the renegades into action, and Yahenni will give them a heads-up.
* Yahenni goes to the Statuary Garden, which has statues of famous inventors. They go into one, where Chandra and the others are. Yahenni offers to have them stay at their penthouse, now that the base location has been given up.
* Enforcers are already coming, and Yahenni is forced to act, draining the life of another soldier. They now have 22 days to live.
* The others get to safety. Chandra starts walking in a random direction, and they have to call her back. They split up to inform the other renegades, leaving Nissa alone with Yahenni. She notices that Yahenni is distraught. They talk. Yahenni is worried about having to kill again, but they think they can live with it if it's helping the renegaes.
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Note that I'm starting a new job next week, so at least for the short term, I won't be able to do these story summaries in the morning anymore.
* Yahenni, from "Born of Aether", is dying. I went to that story to check to see when they said they were going to die, and discovered the odd timeline issue that the end of the Inventor's Fair, the time of their death, was stated to be a month away. Note that in that story, Chandra and the others find out that Pia is being held at Dhund Prison, and Pia is rescued at the end of the Inventors' Fair. So apparently Chandra and the others just wandered around for a month after learning what prison to go to. Or perhaps the way to resolve this contradiction is that the Fair ended early, despite comments that Pia's fight was scheduled for the last day.
* Anyway, Yahenni is wandering the empty streets, cleared due to a curfew, looking for someone to give them one last party. A gremlin follows them around and eats the pieces that fall off.
* Yahenni comes across the caterer they hired for the now-canceled Penultimate Party, who is now a renegade doing some tagging. They're confronted by Consulate guards.
* The narration confirms that Yahenni last saw Chandra a few weeks ago.
* Yahenni drains the life of the enforcer, and through their emphatic powers, feels everything the enforcer does as he died. But they realize they've been healed, and have a full 12 more days to live.
* They think they can live with killing people if they join the right side. Yahenni goes to Gonti for information.
* Gonti has a mysterious metal device attached to their chest.
* Due to their emphatic powers, conversations between aetherborn tend to be quick and to the point. Yahenni notes that Gonti has underlying desperation and dread, and figures that they are close to dying too; that's probably what the device is for.
* Gonti is able to compare Yahenni's appearance to when they saw them last, and thus realizes that Yahenni drained someone's life. Gonti can't do that. They ask about it, and Yahenni's emotions show a mix of exhilaration and deep suffering.
* Gonti agrees to tell them where the renegades are, as long as Yahenni is willing to keep killing. Gonti plans on alerting the Consulate to their location to spur the renegades into action, and Yahenni will give them a heads-up.
* Yahenni goes to the Statuary Garden, which has statues of famous inventors. They go into one, where Chandra and the others are. Yahenni offers to have them stay at their penthouse, now that the base location has been given up.
* Enforcers are already coming, and Yahenni is forced to act, draining the life of another soldier. They now have 22 days to live.
* The others get to safety. Chandra starts walking in a random direction, and they have to call her back. They split up to inform the other renegades, leaving Nissa alone with Yahenni. She notices that Yahenni is distraught. They talk. Yahenni is worried about having to kill again, but they think they can live with it if it's helping the renegaes.
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Note that I'm starting a new job next week, so at least for the short term, I won't be able to do these story summaries in the morning anymore.
It's very selfish of you to take a job that keeps you from doing Magic story summaries. You should have consulted us first!
Congrats on the new job!
GregLombardi
Member
Am I the only one that thinks that casting visions for free off a black spell is absolutely bonkers? Maybe even format warping?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
They have repeatedly said, and we have repeatedly, er, repeated in here, they do NOT playtest for older formats.
If it ends up a problem, they'll re-ban Visions.
GregLombardi
Member
Can someone clarify the creature clause of that -3-3 card again? You get to choose how the stack sits so the -3-3 wouldn't hit the cast card if it was a creature? Is that why it works?
The -3-3 happens.
Then you get to cast a card. It goes in the opposite order as cascade.
Hmm, you can also cast Fused Beck/Call off it. That's pretty good. Of course then you have Beck/Call in your deck that also has black spells. Also, Bust.
There isn't a choice. With Yahenni's Expertise the card you cast for free will always resolve after Expertise is done with everything.
There isn't a choice. With Yahenni's Expertise the card you cast for free will always resolve after Expertise is done with everything.
GregLombardi
Member
They ususally wait 2 sets before making cards promos. That's why right now we are getting SOI cards, we get EDM cards when Aether Revolt comes out in January, ect
I'm sure they do not playtest for older formats, but surely they *do* take into account the lessons of the past. My comment was also of general nature and not specifically aimed at Visions or Modern.
This is them taking the lesson of Cascade as a mechanic into consideration as a lesson from the past, I think.
Which I assume they have done carefully. The card doesn't scream "We are screwed" to me, unlike e.g. BBE.
ThLunarian
Member
I'm going to guess that this mechanic won't cost less than 3 mana, or maybe even 4. It will be spread across all five colors and they will all require two of whichever color. This would prevent five-color "freespells.dec" from being a thing
My prediction is that the -3/3 card will see no play in modern and will be all hype. If it exiled it would see play but since it doesn't I HIGHLY doubt that it will see play at 4 mana.
As a grixis player in modern. Grixis will not play that card imho. Anger is miles better.
I would agree with this prediction.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
They should be. When in doubt about legality, you can head to Gatherer and check on any particular cards.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Printings.aspx?multiverseid=414394
Or to magiccards.info:
http://magiccards.info/query?q=Noosegraf+mob&v=card&s=cname
Played my Tana and Ravos partner deck for the first time (in my EDH group) last night. It was super powerful and I am happy.
We have a fantasy football style scoring system with quarterly winners and what not. I missed last week, which was the second week of the quarter and I jumped out in front in one night. Solid.
We have a fantasy football style scoring system with quarterly winners and what not. I missed last week, which was the second week of the quarter and I jumped out in front in one night. Solid.
SigmasonicX
Member
How about we make some predictions about Aether Revolt's mechanics?
We already know that there's a "converted mana cost of 3 (or less)" theme, but given the lack of an ability word, it's likely a minor theme. It's possible that there's a threshold ability like, "If you control artifacts with total converted mana cost of 3 or greater," which could explain why the variations we see don't use an ability word. The fact that this wouldn't work well with fabricate is a bit odd, though.
My thoughts are that energy, fabricate, and vehicles will all continue, and we'll see more unusual versions of them. With the tagline of the set being "Take Back the Power", I'm guessing some cards will allow you to take energy from another player. Perhaps, "Target player loses all counters of one type. You get that many counters of that type." Or "Target player loses EEE. You get E equal to the amount lost this way."
This set also seems like the perfect place to bring back overload, expanding it into black and green, perhaps even white.
We already know that there's a "converted mana cost of 3 (or less)" theme, but given the lack of an ability word, it's likely a minor theme. It's possible that there's a threshold ability like, "If you control artifacts with total converted mana cost of 3 or greater," which could explain why the variations we see don't use an ability word. The fact that this wouldn't work well with fabricate is a bit odd, though.
My thoughts are that energy, fabricate, and vehicles will all continue, and we'll see more unusual versions of them. With the tagline of the set being "Take Back the Power", I'm guessing some cards will allow you to take energy from another player. Perhaps, "Target player loses all counters of one type. You get that many counters of that type." Or "Target player loses EEE. You get E equal to the amount lost this way."
This set also seems like the perfect place to bring back overload, expanding it into black and green, perhaps even white.
SigmasonicX
Member
Daily Update on Yahenni card
Not sure if we knew this, but Battle for Zendikar is the best selling set of all time. This reminds me of how Mega Man Battle Network 4 was the best selling MMBN game.
The addition of "vampire" to the type line is unexpected.
Not sure if we knew this, but Battle for Zendikar is the best selling set of all time. This reminds me of how Mega Man Battle Network 4 was the best selling MMBN game.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In the quarterly report they said BFZ had the best launch of a set, that was the last I heard but I'm not surprised.
Still just forget Zendikar, Innistrad and Ravnica.
Still just forget Zendikar, Innistrad and Ravnica.
Too much text idea
Yahenni, Aetherborn Vampire 1BB
Deathtouch, First Strike
When Yahenni enters play, put two +1/+1 counters on it.
During your upkeep, remove one counter from Yahenni.
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Yahenni dies, put X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is that creatures power.
0/0
Deathtouch, First Strike
When Yahenni enters play, put two +1/+1 counters on it.
During your upkeep, remove one counter from Yahenni.
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Yahenni dies, put X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is that creatures power.
0/0
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That seems worse than Drana
Based on the quote above about not talking about power but saying its flavorful, I think it fits
Aha, the Aetherborn are turning into Kaladesh's version of vampires? Interesting...
What a disingenuous remark. Just because people dumped a ton of money on the set doesn't mean they liked it - it had some serious chase value: Gideon, Zendikar Full Arts, Expeditions... it was a chase set.
Dumping a bunch a money =/= want to return to the set story-wise.
What a disingenuous remark. Just because people dumped a ton of money on the set doesn't mean they liked it - it had some serious chase value: Gideon, Zendikar Full Arts, Expeditions... it was a chase set.
Dumping a bunch a money =/= want to return to the set story-wise.
Infinite Stars
Member
Short mechanical/set predictions:
All 3 mechanics will continue, but there's going to be some twist to them. Something like a vehicle that has Fabricate when it ETbs or something, or a self-driving vehicle with an energy crew cost.
There's going to be some card that is going to be stupidly broken leading to a ban for it in Standard and Modern at the least( It's a Wizards tradition at this point that they push something and miss how good it is in every Artifact block).
Despite the Tagline, I think there's not going to be any number of "stealing" energy cards. If anything, I could see a card that takes all energy and gives it evenly to all players being a thing
All 3 mechanics will continue, but there's going to be some twist to them. Something like a vehicle that has Fabricate when it ETbs or something, or a self-driving vehicle with an energy crew cost.
There's going to be some card that is going to be stupidly broken leading to a ban for it in Standard and Modern at the least( It's a Wizards tradition at this point that they push something and miss how good it is in every Artifact block).
Despite the Tagline, I think there's not going to be any number of "stealing" energy cards. If anything, I could see a card that takes all energy and gives it evenly to all players being a thing
No they said in the story it exists but it's rare.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Something that gets progressively weaker can probably start out stronger is what I'm saying. It attacks as a 1/1 and then dies because nobody would ever block it lol
They did. They said it's rare only because they know it to be rare right now. But later...
Regarding your design OnPoint, nothing about Aetherborn's short lifecycle has been shown in their card designs. I'm assuming design is assuming that the length of time an Aetherborn exists as your creature is longer than their lifespan, so none of them were given counters that go away.
I'm assuming Yahenni will follow this pattern, and they will have just a +1/+1 counter dealy instead of losing them.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You know who makes Vampires? Eldrazi
Well I agree. But if I make powerful cards in here everyone always claims they're OP so I dialed it down lol
Haha I agree.
And I agree with Grimace too, probably should be a 5/5, but I didn't wanna hear it lol
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, you could just make it Sengir Vampire for 3 that slowly kills itself.
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