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xeroborn55 · Apr 1, 2017

Finally picked up the game after work today. Installed FAR and at least up until i beat the first boss i was getting close to 60 fps most if not 99% of the time. Ill see how that holds up once i get further in.

One question though. Is there a way to make cutscenes 60fps?

Really digging the game so far. Especially the presentation and music.

SapphiCine · Apr 1, 2017

xeroborn55 said:
Finally picked up the game after work today. Installed FAR and at least up until i beat the first boss i was getting close to 60 fps most if not 99% of the time. Ill see how that holds up once i get further in.

One question though. Is there a way to make cutscenes 60fps?

Really digging the game so far. Especially the presentation and music.

30 FPS video interpolated to 60 FPS is a sin against all decency.

But yes, there is a way to convert the video files. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=890543121

King Gilga · Apr 1, 2017

icecold1983 said:
pcgh benchmarks

amd - super fast framerates but very bad frame pacing

nvidia - the opposite

Jeez those don't look impressive... Is it a bad port?

xeroborn55 · Apr 1, 2017

SapphiCine said:
30 FPS video interpolated to 60 FPS is a sin against all decency.

But yes, there is a way to convert the video files. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=890543121

Ohh somehow it didnt register that those were video files. nah, i'll leave them alone in that case.

Durante · Apr 1, 2017

King Gilga said:
Jeez those don't look impressive... Is it a bad port?

No.

As those benchmarks show, it runs a bit better than on a PS4 Pro on a RX470 at slightly higher settings (With a 470 being slightly faster than a PS4 Pro).

icecold1983 · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
No.

As those benchmarks show, it runs a bit better than on a PS4 Pro on a RX470 at slightly higher settings (With a 470 being slightly faster than a PS4 Pro).

Imo perf on nvidia is rather dire. 280x matching a 1060. 480 matching a 1080, furyx matching a 1080ti

Mifec · Apr 1, 2017

icecold1983 said:
Imo perf on nvidia is rather dire. 280x matching a 970 with a large factory oc. 480 matching a 1080

Pretty gr8 on my card :^)

LelouchZero · Apr 1, 2017

icecold1983 said:
Imo perf on nvidia is rather dire. 280x matching a 1060. 480 matching a 1080, furyx matching a 1080ti

I saw this and was pretty impressed with the performance of the AMD cards but the frame-times don't look too healthy for them unfortunately.

GhostTrick · Apr 1, 2017

LelouchZero said:
I saw this and was pretty impressed with the performance of the AMD cards but the frame-times don't look too healthy for them unfortunately.

Keep in mind the frametimes are with the FAR fix, which cause issues on AMD hardware. You can disable it to get normal frametimes.

Imp the Dimp · Apr 1, 2017

Is the game playable in 60fps on highest settings with a GTX 970 in 1440p now?

GhostTrick · Apr 1, 2017

Imp the Dimp said:
Is the game playable in 60fps on highest settings with a GTX 970 in 1440p now?

Depends on what you call highest setting.

Johannsson · Apr 1, 2017

Oh dear.

Nillansan · Apr 1, 2017

Imp the Dimp said:
Is the game playable in 60fps on highest settings with a GTX 970 in 1440p now?

Maybe? At the very least you need to disable MSAA and turn down Global Illumination using the FAR modification.

Sändersson · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
Better AO, sure, absolutely. Though the AO algorithm used in the game is really quite good (it's SAO), it's just the resolution letting it down.
That should be easy enough to fix, but I won't have time to do that before mid-April. Maybe someone else will get to it. (In case anyone wants to give it a try: note that a 1-component 32 bit float buffer for depth is involved which is rendered to on each mip level, this one is then sampled in the main DoF pass which targets a RGBA8 buffer, and then there is a horizontal and a vertical depth-dependent blur pass on those. All these buffers are 800x450)

Anyway, I very strongly disagree about the colors. Every scene in the game looks like it's supposed to look in terms of overall lighting and color. I've seen some screenshots with ReShade or something increasing saturation, and I think they lose a lot of the very specifically designed atmosphere.

Pfft

This is probably a very stupid question, buuuuuuuut is it possible to force hbao trough nvidia control panel..?

Nillansan · Apr 1, 2017

Johannsson said:
Oh dear.

What?

SeeNoWeevil · Apr 1, 2017

I really wish Steam had a more thorough FPS tool that could give you something like a 99th percentile at 60fps figure over a set period of gameplay. So tired of the amount of bollocks/vague/exaggerated FPS figures people spout on forums.

JaseC · Apr 1, 2017

Sändersson;233158571 said:
This is probably a very stupid question, buuuuuuuut is it possible to force hbao trough nvidia control panel..?

Yeah, but it's rather imperfect.

icecold1983 · Apr 1, 2017

Imp the Dimp said:
Is the game playable in 60fps on highest settings with a GTX 970 in 1440p now?

if by 60 fps you mean 30, then yes. and thats already without msaa

LelouchZero · Apr 1, 2017

GhostTrick said:
Keep in mind the frametimes are with the FAR fix, which cause issues on AMD hardware. You can disable it to get normal frametimes.

Wow really? I didn't know that. Wow the AMD cards perform really well then, especially the legendary 7970 which was refreshed as the 280X!

Imp the Dimp said:
Is the game playable in 60fps on highest settings with a GTX 970 in 1440p now?

I haven't been able to do that with my OC'd GTX 970, however I think I've seen other members post that they've been able to run the game at 1440p 60 fps, I'm not sure what settings they used though.

leng jai · Apr 1, 2017

Imp the Dimp said:
Is the game playable in 60fps on highest settings with a GTX 970 in 1440p now?

Nope, you need a 980 Ti/1070 for that.

Ascheroth · Apr 1, 2017

LelouchZero said:
Wow really? I didn't know that. Wow the AMD cards perform really well then, especially the legendary 7970 which was refreshed as the 280X!

I haven't been able to do that with my OC'd GTX 970, however I think I've seen other members post that they've been able to run the game at 1440p 60 fps, I'm not sure what settings they used though.

GI seems to be way more demanding/poorly optimized on NVidia cards for this game. NVidia people seem to get huge boosts by lowering GI somewhat which makes them perform on par with equivalent AMD cards, wheres AMD cards don't really benefit much from that (if at all).

Imp the Dimp · Apr 1, 2017

leng jai said:
Nope, you need a 980 Ti/1070 for that.

All right, thanks everyone. I think I'll stick with the PS4 version in that case.

Durante · Apr 1, 2017

Imp the Dimp said:
All right, thanks everyone. I think I'll stick with the PS4 version in that case.

That makes some sense if you are talking about the PS4 Pro version. Not at all if you are talking about the PS4 non-Pro version though (which runs at 900p at significantly lowered settings, and commonly drops to 40something FPS).

Sändersson;233158571 said:
This is probably a very stupid question, buuuuuuuut is it possible to force hbao trough nvidia control panel..?

I don't know, but anyway forcing AO externally almost always messes something up in modern games.

I've successfully changed the AO resolution -- the actual algorithm is SAO which is really good:

lordfuzzybutt · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
That makes some sense if you are talking about the PS4 Pro version. Not at all if you are talking about the PS4 non-Pro version though (which runs at 900p at significantly lowered settings, and commonly drops to 40something FPS).

I don't know, but anyway forcing AO externally almost always messes something up in modern games.

I've successfully changed the AO resolution -- the actual algorithm is SAO which is really good:

I need this for my 2nd playthough.

Abilidebob · Apr 1, 2017

The latest version of FAR has... Removed Denuvo?
https://github.com/Kaldaien/FAR/blob/master/version.ini

Kaldaien working with pirates I see... How can he not see that Denuvo was there to protect us?! To save us from the blight of piracy and entitlement? Sad! Removing FAR right now and playing the way the developers intended.

Sändersson · Apr 1, 2017

JaseC said:
Yeah, but it's rather imperfect.

Okay, thanks!

Durante said:
I don't know, but anyway forcing AO externally almost always messes something up in modern games.

I've successfully changed the AO resolution -- the actual algorithm is SAO which is really good:
]http://abload.de/img/pre4apf3.png
http://abload.de/img/postwbop4.png

Looks great, is this something that we will be able to do with FAR in the future?

lordfuzzybutt said:
I need this for my 2nd playthough.

Yup!

RenderJosh · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
That makes some sense if you are talking about the PS4 Pro version. Not at all if you are talking about the PS4 non-Pro version though (which runs at 900p at significantly lowered settings, and commonly drops to 40something FPS).

I don't know, but anyway forcing AO externally almost always messes something up in modern games.

I've successfully changed the AO resolution -- the actual algorithm is SAO which is really good:

Damn, so it really is SAO ?

I wondered what could be the technique used here since the coverage was great despite the low res of the buffer, so I bet on something along the lines of AlchemyAO or SAO. Really really cool to see such a great technique, again especially in a japanese game. Their bilateral blur pass looks a bit rough however but I might be wrong.

I implemented it myself not so long ago and you can achieve some very nice results without too much effort.

Auraela · Apr 1, 2017

nevemrind lol

Mifec · Apr 1, 2017

Auraela said:
nevemrind lol

april fools my dude

scitek · Apr 1, 2017

Abilidebob said:
The latest version of FAR has... Removed Denuvo?
https://github.com/Kaldaien/FAR/blob/master/version.ini

Kaldaien working with pirates I see... How can he not see that Denuvo was there to protect us?! To save us from the blight of piracy and entitlement? Sad! Removing FAR right now and playing the way the developers intended.

That's an April Fool's joke, right?

JaseC · Apr 1, 2017

scitek said:
That's an April Fool's joke, right?

Yes.

Imp the Dimp · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
That makes some sense if you are talking about the PS4 Pro version. Not at all if you are talking about the PS4 non-Pro version though (which runs at 900p at significantly lowered settings, and commonly drops to 40something FPS).

I got the Pro. I think I'll take the slight hit in performance and graphical fidelity compared to my GTX 970 rig and hunt some trophies on Playstation.

ClearData · Apr 1, 2017

No word at all if any kind of performance patch is coming? I'm not holding my breath but it'd be nice to see more consistent performance. The judder from these 15-20 frame drops are so painful when otherwise I am loving the game.

Anyways, my gameplan today is to tone down globa lillumination with FAR and, should that fail, try borderless windowed gaming and see if either gets me to a locked 60 FPS.

Momentary · Apr 1, 2017

I think my save somehow glitched and I can't do finishing moves on stunned targets. Targets don't even get stunned anymore. Instead of getting stunned it looks like they just lose a significant amount of HP I stead of going into a stunned state.This started happening with 2B after the first hour or 2 of gameplay and I haven't been able to enjoy those bad ass moves ever since and now I'm already far into the ending C route. I use stun weapons and even try to wihittle targets down with the pods and it never works. I'm about to start the entire game back over because of this. I'm going to wait for this juicy AO and the official patch before starting this game again.

I started another game fresh and I don't have this issue...yet.

JaseC · Apr 1, 2017

ClearData said:
No word at all if any kind of performance patch is coming?

Well, a patch is coming, but what it will address is as yet unknown.

kewlmyc · Apr 1, 2017

Posted it in the regular thread, so gonna post it here too.

Playing on PC. Can anyone tell me if this accessory is supposed to have these weird lines clipping through 9S? Just making sure if it's a bug and if it's a common one. Just gonna post links in case people see it as a spoiler.

http://i.imgur.com/QkJ1Pjk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2EV1Jwz.jpg

heringer · Apr 1, 2017

Rayge said:
I think my save somehow glitched and I can't do finishing moves on stunned targets. Targets don't even get stunned anymore. Instead of getting stunned it looks like they just lose a significant amount of HP I stead of going into a stunned state.This started happening with 2B after the first hour or 2 of gameplay and I haven't been able to enjoy those bad ass moves ever since and now I'm already far into the ending C route. I use stun weapons and even try to wihittle targets down with the pods and it never works. I'm about to start the entire game back over because of this. I'm going to wait for this juicy AO and the official patch before starting this game again.

I started another game fresh and I don't have this issue...yet.

Now that you mention, I think it's been a dozen hours or so since I last stunned an enemy, lol.

Eclectic Sk3ptic · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
That makes some sense if you are talking about the PS4 Pro version. Not at all if you are talking about the PS4 non-Pro version though (which runs at 900p at significantly lowered settings, and commonly drops to 40something FPS).

I don't know, but anyway forcing AO externally almost always messes something up in modern games.

I've successfully changed the AO resolution -- the actual algorithm is SAO which is really good:

That's quite the improvement! I suppose it's pretty expensive at that resolution?

Momentary · Apr 1, 2017

heringer said:
Now that you mention, I think it's been a dozen hours or so since I last stunned an enemy, lol.

Yeah... It's like stun isn't working anymore in the game. I remember like it gradually started going away after playing for a few hours as 2B. Then by the end of 2B's game... no one was getting stunned. Which irks me because I was really enjoying the stylish finishes and kicking robots into walls.

I think I'm about to uninstall the game for a few months and just come back to it later. Hopefully things are ironed out by then.

Durante · Apr 1, 2017

Eclectic Sk3ptic said:
That's quite the improvement! I suppose it's pretty expensive at that resolution?

On my 1080, it's an extra 0.5 ms to calculate the AO at 1440p rather than 450p.

Eclectic Sk3ptic · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
On my 1080, it's an extra 0.5 ms to calculate the AO at 1440p rather than 450p.

Cool, I can't wait to give it a try on my 1080ti at 1620p. The improved AO will do wonders to the presentation of the game. Thank you! =)

NeoRaider · Apr 1, 2017

Do you guys think that it looks better with brightness on default 5/10 or 3/10 (only right icon visible).

Which one do you prefer. Default or lower brightness?

Peterthumpa · Apr 1, 2017

Durante said:
On my 1080, it's an extra 0.5 ms to calculate the AO at 1440p rather than 450p.

Is the AO resolution bump already merged into the current FAR build? Awesome job as usual.

Robobandit · Apr 2, 2017

felipepl said:
Is the AO resolution bump already merged into the current FAR build? Awesome job as usual.

According to Kal on the steam forums, he'll be working on it tomorrow. Says he expects implementation will be a similar amount of work to the bloom fix.

Miker · Apr 2, 2017

Is the bloom fix something that was present on consoles as well?

Robobandit · Apr 2, 2017

Miker said:
Is the bloom fix something that was present on consoles as well?

no.

consoles run their post-processing at 1/4 screen resolution. The issue on PC is that post-processing effects (like Bloom) were running at 800x450 resolution (1/4 of 1600x900) because they didn't change them to take into account that the PC version runs at a higher resolution than 1600x900.

Miker · Apr 2, 2017

Robobandit said:
no.

consoles run their post-processing at 1/4 screen resolution. The issue on PC is that post-processing effects (like Bloom) were running at 800x450 resolution (1/4 of 1600x900) because they didn't change them to take into account that the PC version runs at a higher resolution than 1600x900.

I see. So in theory it would've been noticeable had, say, the PS4 Pro run NieR at higher resolutions?

Robobandit · Apr 2, 2017

Miker said:
I see. So in theory it would've been noticeable had, say, the PS4 Pro run NieR at higher resolutions?

who can say.. they might have caught that issue on the console.. to me it just seems like an oversight.. they allowed for arbitrary resolution support on the PC but the other parts of the game didn't take that into account when it came to scaling resolution of effects, etc.

DarkChronic · Apr 2, 2017

Anyone have issues launching this from Steam?

I have FAR installed and got that weird popup saying Denuvo was removed (which was an April Fool's Joke someone said?) and now the game won't launch.

Steam says it's running and I can see it in my task manager but nothing popping up. I can't find the game window screen anywhere, lol

Edit: Weird. I just had to run Nier.exe from the actual file location instead of through Steam.

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