There's a Gitrog Monster in there too.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?
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There's a Gitrog Monster in there too.
Thanks, I skipped it somehow.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's just a green eldrazi deck. Nissa is great for consistency and she can win on her own quite easily.
I'm more surprised about that jace deck as it's not storm but taking turns until you drop an Emrakul
I'm more surprised about that jace deck as it's not storm but taking turns until you drop an Emrakul
Colourless eldrazi should be banned from coloured commanders tbh
Ban all artifacts too, then
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Maybe Firemind just wants to mill people.
charlequin
Banned
Anyone know of a text primer for the New Perspectives deck?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Anyone know of a text primer for the New Perspectives deck?
I can give you the text primer of your opponent:
"F6"
Survive, hit new perspectives, then use shadow + the untap cycler to get enough free mana to cast approach twice as you power through the deck.Anyone know of a text primer for the New Perspectives deck?
It's really simple. The untap cycler dude is really the problem here.
Anything else worth grabbing a playset of?
I'm also grabbing a playset.
The untap cycler dude is really the problem here.
Yep, watching SaffronOlive's (ick) video makes it really apparent the untap guy makes for the grossest shenanigans by untapping your source of mana and essentially getting three mana every time you recur him with Shadow of the Grave.
The formatting for those lists is trash.We have the first 5-0s for their new 1v1 commander leagues.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/commander-constructed-league-2017-05-11
1 Jace, 2 Leovold, 1 Breya, 1 Narset, 1 Prosh, 1 Nissa, 1 Zurgo Bells, 1 Sultai Sidisi, 1 Gitrog.
Is there really a problem with new perspectives? Or are you guys just being hyperbolic aka the natural state of being for this thread.
I have a feeling they made the massive mistake in Kaladesh/Amonkhet of actually listening to the people who complained about combo not being part of Standard. Even though, y'know, it hasn't been a part of Standard for eons.
"Thing X isn't in standard? Okay we hear you!"
*proceeds to print uninteractive combo*
It's like Hive Mind. You cast a 6 mana enchantment then you win on the spot. Deck's gonna be all over the PT, people figured out the deck late.The formatting for those lists is trash.
Is there really a problem with new perspectives? Or are you guys just being hyperbolic aka the natural state of being for this thread.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
if you resolve it
Formats other than Legacy or Vintage don't mandate playing counterspells in order to be competitive. That's why they have more extensive banlists.if you resolve it
if you resolve it
this is why dispel + negate are in the sideboard. If you're going up against control (ie not going to die from creatures/aggro), you back it up with countermagic. Or test the waters for a counterspell if you Cast Out on a threat like a PW.
divisionbyzorro
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Shefet Monitor also adds mana on the combo turn, but is gated by how many basics are left in your deck once you start going off.
I'm not sure how the New Perspectives deck is supposed to deal with stupid fast aggro though. The only things it has to deal with incoming damage are Haze of Pollen, Cast Out (both of which are a little expensive for my taste) and the little life gained from cycling Renewed Faith. If a good aggro deck curves out well, I don't see how it can stay alive until turn 5-6 in order to combo out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You can interact with the deck and it's not just countermagic that stops, hand disruption, enchantment removal, fast aggro,...
It's definitely not a deck to count out though.
It's definitely not a deck to count out though.
What is new perspectives gonna play that will force control to spend a counter that isn't shadow or perspectives?this is why dispel + negate are in the sideboard. If you're going up against control (ie not going to die from creatures/aggro), you back it up with countermagic. Or test the waters for a counterspell if you Cast Out on a threat like a PW.
I'm not sure how the New Perspectives deck is supposed to deal with stupid fast aggro though. The only things it has to deal with incoming damage are Haze of Pollen, Cast Out (both of which are a little expensive for my taste) and the little life gained from cycling Renewed Faith. If a good aggro deck curves out well, I don't see how it can stay alive until turn 5-6 in order to combo out.
I'm sure RW humans can overrun it, but it just needs to survive until turn 6 to win.
Likely the deck will sideboard Insult // Injury in as well to combat Haze of Pollen.
Shadow of the Grave is an Instant. If you let New Perspectives resolve, there's a good chance they can go off in response to removal.You can interact with the deck and it's not just countermagic that stops, hand disruption, enchantment removal, fast aggro,...
It's definitely not a deck to count out though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
that's why you have to wait for them to either cycle a vizier or cast the shadow of the grave, or if they don't go for it during their EOT.Shadow of the Grave is an Instant. If you let New Perspectives resolve, there's a good chance they can go off in response to removal.
It's like Saheeli where there's a moment where the deck exposes itself but contrary to saheeli there's not a powerful deck left w/o the combo.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
this is why dispel + negate are in the sideboard. If you're going up against control (ie not going to die from creatures/aggro), you back it up with countermagic. Or test the waters for a counterspell if you Cast Out on a threat like a PW.
Dispel and Negate aren't actually that good in that deck because you don't have the option to simply run a bunch of cards that don't cycle while simultaneously trying to not die and find New Perspectives. The problem with just saying "well it's blue so countermagic" is that your opponent on control will 100% have way more countermagic than you will ever have and can just board in Gideon, Ally of Zendikar to destroy you and every other deck just boards to be faster than you and or eat your New Perspectives with Lost Legacy.
This is not a resilient combo even if SaffronOlive managed to find people who didn't know how to beat it.
Dispel and Negate aren't actually that good in that deck because you don't have the option to simply run a bunch of cards that don't cycle while simultaneously trying to not die and find New Perspectives. The problem with just saying "well it's blue so countermagic" is that your opponent on control will 100% have way more countermagic than you will ever have and can just board in Gideon, Ally of Zendikar to destroy you and every other deck just boards to be faster than you and or eat your New Perspectives with Lost Legacy.
This is not a resilient combo even if SaffronOlive managed to find people who didn't know how to beat it.
I never said it was a good strategy.
divisionbyzorro
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The deck will almost never be able to beat a resolved Lost Legacy.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I never said it was a good strategy.
This is a deck where people think its hard to beat because it does something weird/unusual.
This combo is so ridiculously fragile because it's trying to do way too many things at once that are impossible to manage. You can't even go off unless you resolve New Perspectives with 4 cards still in your hand when you resolve it. I think SaffronOlive just got really lucky.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
you should probably name approach though instead of new perspective.
LSV went 2-2 in a league not knowing what half the cards did, I don't think it's anything problematic but it's not a deck to completely write off.This is a deck where people think its hard to beat because it does something weird/unusual.
This combo is so ridiculously fragile because it's trying to do way too many things at once that are impossible to manage. You can't even go off unless you resolve New Perspectives with 4 cards still in your hand when you resolve it. I think SaffronOlive just got really lucky.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
you should probably name approach though instead of new perspective.
You name New Perspectives because your opponent will waste all fucking day cycling if you let him resolve it because he can technically win by casting Shefet Monitors or Sphinxes.
you should probably name approach though instead of new perspective.
LSV went 2-2 in a league not knowing what half the cards did, I don't think it's anything problematic but it's not a deck to completely write off.
The deck has wincons with Drake Haven and Sphinx in the board.
divisionbyzorro
Member
The real question is whether or not the deck can be constructed to sideboard into something reasonable and less fragile in games 2/3.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm always surprised at sphinx because there's both counters for it and an easy answers.The deck has wincons with Drake Haven and Sphinx in the board.
1-0-1 is still a winYou name New Perspectives because your opponent will waste all fucking day cycling if you let him resolve it.
Anyone know of a text primer for the New Perspectives deck?
People seem to forget that mtggoldfish has a website with articles: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-new-perspectives-combo-standard
"God's Beard!"
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Man, I thought Harsh Mentor pinged all activated abilities and would stop the New Perspectives combo. It's a lot more narrow than I remembered.
so far it looks like if you draw no New Perspective early or the opponent has a very aggressive deck, you're pretty much dead. Maybe with new cycling cards in Hours the deck could become something neat
It's probably too slow, yeah. Thankfully.
New Perspectives is the kind of janky combo deck I love. First thing that's made me think about playing Standard since Jeskai Ascendency Standard combo
I absolutely love janky combo decks
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Funny tidbit from the Commanderin Podcast ft. Ethan Fleischer. Bounty of Luxa edged out a gold legend, which all were aimed for commander.
That makes Neheb costing 3 all the more disappointing.
That makes Neheb costing 3 all the more disappointing.
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The deck will almost never be able to beat a resolved Lost Legacy.
Watching Saffron still win after two resolved lost legacies was the rawest shit ever
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