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Vagabundo · Jun 21, 2007

besada said:
Could you knock me out a quick list of games that have been banned in America?

I meant would lead to a banning. Sure look what happened when the US got a flash of Janets nipple at the hyperbowl or the hot coffee fiasco.

And counter that with that happened to Judy of Richard and Judy at some award show (not AS comparable, but all I could do off the top of my head).

PS I'm from one of the nanny states that banned manhunt 2, first every banned game.

Router · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
I see you have trouble in understanding English.

No, its called a JOKE. Seeing at how stupid your post was it warranted.

Let me explain AO titles are punished (the developer) by not being 1. allowed into the retail chain 2. allowed license on a console.

And your world comes crumbling down...

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8776/Grand-Theft-Auto-Slapped-with-AdultsOnly-Rating/

The Gaming has grown up comment should have been self explanatory, but here goes...the people who grew up on Atari and Nintendo are now considered adults and with them gaming has gone from a passive underground hobby to a mainstream entertainment juggernaut.

Your bad english was the reason for the "self aware console joke". Go back and read what you posted. Actually, here it is... our consoles inability to see that gaming has grown up.

Dont even assume that I cant understand gamers are older now. You should start to understand that all you have accomplished here today is an epic failure.

Like the hat? · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
the people who grew up on Atari and Nintendo are now considered adults and with them gaming has gone from a passive underground hobby to a mainstream entertainment juggernaut.

I grew up playing games and I dont want to play adults only games. I dont even like many mature rated games. None of the adult gamers I know really care to play adults only games. Then again all the gamers I know aren't so afraid of being considered 'kiddie' that they can actually have fun with games rated E or T. But not the game E.T.

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

Vagabundo said:
I meant would lead, sure look what happened when you guys got a flash of Janets nipple at the hyperbowl or the hot coffee fiasco.

And counter that with that happened to Judy of Richard and Judy at some award show (not AS comparable, but all I could do off the top of my head).

PS I'm from one of the nanny states that banned manhunt 2, first every banned game.

See the odd thing about that is Janet's Nipple was sexual which here in the states is bad...violence on the other hand is generally ok. It seems that violence in games is equally as bad as nudity...

DarkMage619 · Jun 21, 2007

tanod said:
You can't close your own threads, Mr. The One.

I think there's also something about people signing their posts that tends to annoy some

all

posters. Your name appears nice and big next to your post so we can see it. I think there is a reason why GAF does not allow/use signatures.

Ah my mistake. I thought you could. That is certainly a reason to make sure you don't post something that you can't take back. I have been signing my posts for years on all message boards I post on. No one has been hurt or killed because of that and I saw nothing in the TOS about it breaking some sort of rule. If my sig or anything I post hurts or offends you but does not break the TOS you can feel free to put me on ignore.

The Dark One

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

Router said:
And your world comes crumbling down...

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8776/Grand-Theft-Auto-Slapped-with-AdultsOnly-Rating/

Do you just not understand? I said Console manufacturers will not release an AO game and the NEVER have. GTA was sent to retail as a M rated game...then it was changed, modified and changed back...

tanod · Jun 21, 2007

DarkMage619 said:
Ah my mistake. I thought you could. That is certainly a reason to make sure you don't post something that you can't take back. I have been signing my posts for years on all message boards I post on. No one has been hurt or killed because of that and I saw nothing in the TOS about it breaking some sort of rule. If my sig or anything I post hurts or offends you but does not break the TOS you can feel free to put me on ignore.

The Dark One

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Need I say more.

Router · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
Do you just not understand? I said Console manufacturers will not release an AO game and the NEVER have. GTA was sent to retail as a M rated game...then it was changed, modified and changed back...

What do you call a game thats in the shops being sold. A released game?

I figured you would bring it down to nit picking semantics to try and 'win' a discussion.

:lol

Like the hat? · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
See the odd thing about that is Janet's Nipple was sexual which here in the states is bad...violence on the other hand is generally ok. It seems that violence in games is equally as bad as nudity...

Halo, Grand Theft Auto, etc = fine. You kill people in those games. Those games are pretty much solely around killing. They are sold in the US, no problem.

Manhunt 2: you torture people. some quotes about the game:

"Consider for one moment that in Manhunt 2 you can, Wii remote and nunchuk in hands, use a pair of pliers to clamp onto an enemy's testicles and literally tear them from his body in a bloody display; and if that weren't enough, you'll take one of the poor victim's vertebrae along with his manhood. Or, if you'd prefer, you can use a saw blade and cut upward into a foe's groin and buttocks, motioning forward and backward with the Wii remote as you go."

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

Theres a difference between shooting enemies or running them over or whatever, and pulling off their junk, raping a dead body, and microwaving a living cat to death.

Mature (from the esrb website)
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

Adults Only (from the esrb website)
Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

the game manhunt 2 (from what I have read about it) deserved an adults only rating, as it has 'prolonged scenes of intense violence' and 'graphic sexual content'

no mature games have ever been 'banned' from appearing on consoles.

this is nothing to do with sex vs violence. you = dumbydumbdumb.

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

JodyAnthony said:
the game manhunt 2 (from what I have read about it) deserved an adults only rating, as it has 'prolonged scenes of intense violence' and 'graphic sexual content'

no mature games have ever been 'banned' from appearing on consoles.

this is nothing to do with sex vs violence. you = dumbydumbdumb.

I am not concerned with the AO rating (I actually had never read much about Manhunt 2...and from what you wrote it is probably a good rating for the game) this is about console makers refusing to release AO games...I don't understand why they would be a problem.

Ramenman · Jun 21, 2007

DarkMage619 said:
The Dark One

Seriously, I'm lovin' it.

haowan · Jun 21, 2007

JodyAnthony said:
Manhunt 2: you torture people. some quotes about the game:

"Consider for one moment that in Manhunt 2 you can, Wii remote and nunchuk in hands, use a pair of pliers to clamp onto an enemy's testicles and literally tear them from his body in a bloody display; and if that weren't enough, you'll take one of the poor victim's vertebrae along with his manhood. Or, if you'd prefer, you can use a saw blade and cut upward into a foe's groin and buttocks, motioning forward and backward with the Wii remote as you go."

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

Definitely not interested in playing or seeing this in any form!

Like the hat? · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
I am not concerned with the AO rating (I actually had never read much about Manhunt 2...and from what you wrote it is probably a good rating for the game) this is about console makers refusing to release AO games...I don't understand why they would be a problem.

the media.

1)nintendo lets rockstar or whoever release an AO game with scenes of intense violence, and makes say 10 grand off of the one game.
2)some crazy ass kid shoots up his school
3)turns out crazy kid owned said AO game
4)media sez "THE GAME MADE HIM DO IT!"
5)dumb folks are outraged at nintendo because of the game
6)dumb folks don't buy any more nintendo products
7)dumb folks bitch to their dumb friends about nintendo
8)dumb friends dont buy any more nintendo products
9)nintendo loses a lot of possible future sales. those future sales of e-m games FAR outweigh the 10 grand they got from the AO game

Nintendo or whoever doesnt want the risk of losing out on more money, as they are a business. Nintendo or whoever doesn't want to forever be billed as the company that turned crazy ass kid into a murderer.

EDIT: it already happens with mature games, games that were rated mature for having graphic violence. it would be MUCH worse if it was an 'adults only' game that the kid had, with 'prolonged scenes of graphic violence'

Look what happened with the janet jackson thing. The crazies of the united states bitched a shit ton and clamped down HARD on the media, all over a damn nipple. Thing is, television, movies, etc are SO widespread that the pro-censorship people were outnumbered.

Video games are not nearly as widespread. you have a lot more people in the united states (or in the world in general) that couldn't give a damn about video games. Who would want to risk even stronger censorship and media outrage at video games, just so a couple of asshats could pull off a guys testicles in a video game?

DarkMage619 · Jun 21, 2007

tanod said:
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Need I say more.

Take a bow! You are the first and only one who's done that! How does it feel to be so original?!? You sir are a trendsetter!

The Dark One

ManaByte · Jun 21, 2007

JodyAnthony said:
Manhunt 2: you torture people. some quotes about the game:

"Consider for one moment that in Manhunt 2 you can, Wii remote and nunchuk in hands, use a pair of pliers to clamp onto an enemy's testicles and literally tear them from his body in a bloody display; and if that weren't enough, you'll take one of the poor victim's vertebrae along with his manhood. Or, if you'd prefer, you can use a saw blade and cut upward into a foe's groin and buttocks, motioning forward and backward with the Wii remote as you go."

"The ultra-violent videogame Manhunt 2 allows you to rape a woman shortly after you beheaded her in the brothel level called Honey Pot. Members of the ESRB were shocked when Daniel Lamb used his male reproduction organ and simulated a penetration in the bloody hole. Other gruesome parts include microwaving a living cat to death and being a witness of necrophilia in a cemetery in one of the later stage of the game."

Whoever came up with the idea for this game should honestly be locked away in prison for the rest of their life.

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

JodyAnthony said:
the media.

1)nintendo lets rockstar or whoever release an AO game with scenes of intense violence, and makes say 10 grand off of the one game.
2)some crazy ass kid shoots up his school
3)turns out crazy kid owned said AO game
4)media sez "THE GAME MADE HIM DO IT!"
5)dumb folks are outraged at nintendo because of the game
6)dumb folks don't buy any more nintendo products
7)dumb folks bitch to their dumb friends about nintendo
8)dumb friends dont buy any more nintendo products
9)nintendo loses a lot of possible future sales. those future sales of e-m games FAR outweigh the 10 grand they got from the AO game

Nintendo or whoever doesnt want the risk of losing out on more money, as they are a business. Nintendo or whoever doesn't want to forever be billed as the company that turned crazy ass kid into a murderer.

EDIT: it already happens with mature games, games that were rated mature for having graphic violence. it would be MUCH worse if it was an 'adults only' game that the kid had, with 'prolonged scenes of graphic violence'

Look what happened with the janet jackson thing. The crazies of the united states bitched a shit ton and clamped down HARD on the media, all over a damn nipple. Thing is, television, movies, etc are SO widespread that the pro-censorship people were outnumbered.

Video games are not nearly as widespread. you have a lot more people in the united states (or in the world in general) that couldn't give a damn about video games. Who would want to risk even stronger censorship and media outrage at video games, just so a couple of asshats could pull off a guys testicles in a video game?

So the solution is to have more strict laws in place to prevent the sale of AO games...not let paranoia control art (and before we go down this road...I don't care what you say about games, movies, music, paintings or sculpture all are forms of expression and art) and the supposed freedoms we hold dear.

1-D_FTW · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
I am not concerned with the AO rating (I actually had never read much about Manhunt 2...and from what you wrote it is probably a good rating for the game) this is about console makers refusing to release AO games...I don't understand why they would be a problem.

Because, those quotes you just read, it's grotesque. No respectable corporation wants to be associated with that. And that's why they have the policy. So their reputation/value is not degraded by outside companies.

Michan · Jun 21, 2007

DarkMage619 said:
The Dark One

You're already starting to really annoy me, and I've only met you in this thread.

Stop It · Jun 21, 2007

DarkMage619 said:
Take a bow! You are the first and only one who's done that! How does it feel to be so original?!? You sir are a trendsetter!

The Dark One

Yet you still insist on putting "The Dark One" under each and every one of your posts? it is not only pretnetious, but is highly stupid, hence your tag, learn from that, STOP DOING IT.

Like the hat? · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
So the solution is to have more strict laws in place to prevent the sale of AO games...not let paranoia control art (and before we go down this road...I don't care what you say about games, movies, music, paintings or sculpture all are forms of expression and art) and the supposed freedoms we hold dear.

headslap.gif

I dont even know what you're arguing anymore.

HOW DARE COMPANIES NOT ALLOW AO GAMES ON THEIR SYSTEMS!! WE NEED LAWS TO BLOCK THE SALE OF THEM INSTEAD!

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

1-D_FTW said:
Because, those quotes you just read, it's grotesque. No respectable corporation wants to be associated with that. And that's why they have the policy. So their reputation/value is not degraded by outside companies.

Most rational post in entire thread. Congratulations...however this may be that case for Manhunt 2 but what of a game that omg showed nudity or sex...

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

JodyAnthony said:
WHAT LAWS?!? these are BUSINESSES, not the government! christ almighty!

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Your pretty funny...laws that prevent sale of pornography, alcohol and tobaco to minors...similar things could be done to prevent AO games from being sold to minors.

Like the hat? · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
Your pretty funny...laws that prevent sale of pornography, alcohol and tobaco to minors...similar things could be done to prevent AO games from being sold to minors.

i had read your post wrong, hence my edit.

so you are against nintendo, sony, or microsoft saying they dont want AO games on their consoles, but you are for creating laws restricting the sale of AO games?

radioheadrule83 · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

JodyAnthony said:
i had read your post wrong, hence my edit.

Your edit does not address the issue. The issue is why should gamers be restricted because of the AO rating...release AO games have assurances (laws) that restrict sale to minors and let the grown ups play what they want.

1-D_FTW · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
Most rational post in entire thread. Congratulations...however this may be that case for Manhunt 2 but what of a game that omg showed nudity or sex...

Doesn't matter. Because if you allow exceptions, then you get into the business of having to make subjective judgements. And where do draw the line? So you draw the line at AO and then you don't have to worry about it.

Like the hat? · Jun 21, 2007

ShinAmano said:
Your edit does not address the issue. The issue is why should gamers be restricted because of the AO rating...release AO games have assurances (laws) that restrict sale to minors and let the grown ups play what they want.

Because these are personal businesses and they have the right to say what they do and do not want to release/support. they are businesses that dont want the negative publicity, and no rational person could possibly blame them for feeling that way.

ManaByte · Jun 21, 2007

How old is ShinAmano? I'm curious.

Arguments like his seem to usually be from people still living at home and want AO content on their gaming systems since they could get their hands on the content much easier than a DVD/magazine as it's more under their parent's radar.

ShinAmano · Jun 21, 2007

ManaByte said:
How old is ShinAmano? I'm curious.

Arguments like his seem to usually be from people still living at home and want AO content on their gaming systems since they could get their hands on the content much easier than a DVD/magazine as it's more under their parent's radar.

I am older then you...censorship just really pisses me off. i have cooled down now and I will let this thread die in peace.

besada · Jun 21, 2007

Vagabundo said:
I meant would lead to a banning.

You missed the point of my little jibe. There are no banned games in America because there is no group with the authority to ban games. Americans might be puritanical, but we're also pretty nervous about letting the government ban things. Consequently we use market forces to diminsh game/movie/book sales rather than ban anything.

Okay, well, certain forms of porn (child, snuff) are obviously illegal, but nothing gets banned because it's too violent or too sexy.

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