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One year of Wii software in Japan - Media Create LTDs
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Eteric Rice
Member
EDarkness said:
This.
There are hardly any games on that list that deserved to do any better than they did. The only one I can think of is Zack & Wiki and maybe Dewey. Resident Evil 4, REUC, Ghost Squad (which is pretty fun) did respectively well.
I was thinking about why Nintendo was going after the casual gamers, and it kind of dawned on me that they're probably going after the people that will only buy one console this generation before any. They know that the hardcore will own a Wii and PS3/360, but the casuals will only own one.
I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they started going after the more hardcore gamer. I think even Iwata hinted at such at the showing of Monster Hunter 3 for the Wii.
Just my observation, though.
Put a Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Ace Combat, Devil May Cry, Musou, or whatever game on Wii and it will sell well, and noticeably better than they would on other platforms. The big-name third party support just hasn't been there yet unfortunately. What is there to buy? We've seen the sales Square-Enix got when they put something with the Dragon Quest name on the system. The good "spin-offs" and ports Wii has gotten however, have all sold well and performed better than developers even expected (RE4: Wii Edition and RE: UC both meeting their numbers before the year end, DQS having shortages for the two weeks after launch, etc.).
thestopsign
Member
Jammy said:
If Monster Hunter 3 sells better than 500k, I think this theory will be proved. I think the previous two did about 500k each on the PS2.
Eteric Rice said:
I believe Iwata said something to this effect at the last big Nintendo event. No idea why they didn't jump on this sooner, but hopefully this will help build a good "core" gamer installed base to push along games like Mario Galaxy in the future. I think many "core" gamers wouldn't mind switching from the PS2 to the Wii, but there hasn't been much incentive to do so yet. A good big name, high budget 3rd party exclusive may be enough to do that, but there isn't anything on the horizon except maybe Monster Hunter and we don't know much about it at this point.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Actually, that one is the reverse. By the mid-year Top 100, Famitsu had that one at 157,784.apujanata said:
Using what Famitsu data we have, here's PS2 through the same number of weeks.EDarkness said:
Every time so far we've heard a number on Virtual Console sales, it's been less than 1 per Wii.Schrade said:
Not quite true. Koei proved that "Waggle Spinoff Musou" isn't so hot. What regular Musou would've done, we can only imagine.Jammy said:
JoshuaJSlone said:
Interesting. A lot of games didn't do so hot on the PS2. The big name games did well, but there are many low selling games. I thought Dark Cloud did better, honestly. This puts the Wii situation in perspective. The real difference is the quality of third party games on the Wii. I think we can all agree it hasn't been so good up until this point.
As for Koei, they haven't done anything of note on the Wii. Katana wasn't all that good and being a spinoff with virtually no advertising and low quality, I'm not surprised it didn't do so well. They should have released a regular Musou game. I think it would have done better.
Wow, that list is really upsetting. It's weird when you keep hearing how Galaxy and Twilight didn't sell what they should, but when you compare those games to the rest of the list they stand head and shoulders over the competition.
I'd really love to see a similar list for the PS3 and 360. It would really help give a better impression of just how much gaming taste is changing in Japan.
And while a solid amount of those third party titles do suck, you still can't help but feel bad for them. Seeing some games in the 3,000 or less range is almost depressing. Remember, people are making their living making these games, whether they suck or not, so it's sad to see such low numbers.
I'd really love to see a similar list for the PS3 and 360. It would really help give a better impression of just how much gaming taste is changing in Japan.
And while a solid amount of those third party titles do suck, you still can't help but feel bad for them. Seeing some games in the 3,000 or less range is almost depressing. Remember, people are making their living making these games, whether they suck or not, so it's sad to see such low numbers.
giggas said:
While I understand what you're saying, the quality of the game MUST be at least a little decent to expect to sell good numbers. The sheer amount of shovelware on that list is unreal. As I stated before I don't have any sympathy for any of these guys. Honestly, they're not doing themselves any favors, either.
But for some perspective, look at the PS2 list and you'll see there isn't much difference.
http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamecharting/testsoftware.php?platform=PS2&weeknum=53
Lots of high quality games on that list and a lot of them didn't fare so well on the PS2 at this point in its life. Something the Wii really doesn't have (big name games, that is).
Zoramon089
Banned
I think some of you are forgetting this is JAPAN not the US, these are typically how sales are there...and as someone said earlier Wii is actually performing better than the PS2 was at this point
The first year chart for the PS3 was posted here a few weeks ago. I'm not going to bother looking for the thread but here's the link to it in Japanese.giggas said:
http://www.gpara.com/ranking/mediacreatebn/20071116ps3.php
giggas said:
After you see the list, you will cry, and declare "console gaming is dead in Japan". If you think Wii's list is bad, then X360's or PS3's are "worse than bad".
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128989
Sample of the Top 3 :
Code:
Wii
2,211,000 Wii Sports (Nintendo) (12/2/06) - rounded off through Nov 18/07 (MC)
1,707,132 Hajimete no Wii (Wii Play) (Nintendo) (12/2/06) - through Dec 2/07
904,535 Mario Party 8 (Nintendo) (7/26/07) - through Dec 2/07
PS3
363,000 Minna no Golf 5 (Hot Shots Golf 5) (Sony) (7/26/07) rounded off through Nov 11/07 (MC)
295,160 Gundam Musou (Dynasty Warriors: GUNDAM) (Bandai) (3/1/07) through Nov 11/07
280,559 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 (Dynasty Warriors 6) (Koei) (11/11/07) through Nov 25/07
X360
202,294 Blue Dragon (Microsoft) (12/7/06) through Oct 14/07
106,200 Dead or Alive 4 (+Xbox 360 Platinum) (Tecmo) (12/29/05) / (11/1/07) rounded off through Jan 14/07 / Nov 4/07 (105,331 + 900)
85,000 Dead Rising(+ Platinum + Dead Rising/Gears of War Plat)(Capcom)(9/28/06)/(6/14/07)/(11/1/07)rnd off through May 13/07 / Oct 14/07 / Nov 4/07 (65,908+16,950+2,100)Stopsign said:
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PS2 Monster Hunter 121K .. 55K .. 29K ... 289K (20041226)
PS2 Monster Hunter G 128K .. 30K .. 15K ... 232K (20051225)
PS2 Monster Hunter 2 368K .. 95K .. 39K ... 571K (20061231)My expectations are for Monster Hunter 3 to do about as well as Monster Hunter 1 for its first week, as the Monster Hunter userbase migrates over. My LTD expectations would be between MH1 and MH2, though. 500K would be very good for a LTD number.
thestopsign
Member
donny2112 said:
Yeah, I'm just worried most people will expect PSP like sales. I think this is another one of those series like Pokemon that sells the best on a hand held because of the portability factor.
HyperZone<3
Member
Ghost Squad 45,000 > Sonic 30,000
this is significant.
Thanks JonnyR.
this is significant.
Thanks JonnyR.
Diatribe1974
Member
For some of those games, they were expected to sell for crap. Shovelware = Crap sales for the most part. Sometimes, you get a winner that sells great. But there's a number of titles in there that sold for CRAP as well and they were decent to really good games that should've sold better....far better if you ask me.
Still....for some dev's, releasing a Wii game was a horrible mistake for them. They'll either go back to making DS games (where the real money is on a Nintendo system) or invest in the bigger $$$ market and put games out aimed at western audiences and on the 360 where folks buy shittons of games (even EA games!).
Still....for some dev's, releasing a Wii game was a horrible mistake for them. They'll either go back to making DS games (where the real money is on a Nintendo system) or invest in the bigger $$$ market and put games out aimed at western audiences and on the 360 where folks buy shittons of games (even EA games!).
tetrisgrammaton
Member
i hope this means an elebits sequel is in the works
SouthernDragon
Member
Trauma Center 26000
Lame, Japan. Real lame.
(Goes back to XS run)
Lame, Japan. Real lame.
(Goes back to XS run)
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And yet it's still a goldmine compared to the other two platforms.tzare said:
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Yeah, its one of those chinese mines, those who enter will never see the sunlight again.Thunder Monkey said:
Eteric Rice
Member
Hopefully things start to pick up as more and more hardcore games are released.
Smash Bros. comes out soon, doesn't it? And how is Chocobo's Dungeon holding up?
Smash Bros. comes out soon, doesn't it? And how is Chocobo's Dungeon holding up?
thestopsign
Member
Joni said:
My faith in GAF just dropped about 10% in the last 10 seconds. Largest drop since the Wiimote was first revealed.
Ashiato, that wasn't an actual sequel though. It was a first person spin-off that was rushed out for launch.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Pellham said:
Yeah,just look how good No More Heroes,Zack & Wiki,We love golf and Nights 2 did in terms of sales.
Wait....
There is plenty of insight to be drawn from these numbers but I get the feeling we are over dramatizing sales. Many games have flopped on all systems, including many very good ones, but without accurate weekly sales we weren't able to declare "OMG SNES is doomed!" or "So many devs made the biggest mistake of their life by releasing on the PS1."
Apujanata, thanks for posting the top 3 sample. It helps put things in perspective.
Apujanata, thanks for posting the top 3 sample. It helps put things in perspective.
norinrad21
Banned
genjiZERO said:
wii sports, wiifit, wii play and Galaxy
May God help 3rd parties on the wii next year
evilromero
Member
Nintendo needs to rerelease Excite Truck under a new name. Excite Training. Or Wii Excite. Some little Mii characters on the cover may help.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Joni said:
Of course, there's no such thing as a good game with niche appeal and no phenomenon such as great games being outsold by lesser games on any other console...
They deserved to do much better, but the only one that I find truly surprising is We Love Golf. WLG had a good pedigree, apparently solid gameplay, good reviews and seemed to be targeted right at the audience who snapped up Wii Sports. The only thing missing appeared to be any kind of advertising, though it also had the misfortune of hitting at a particularly crowded time of year, going up against several other major titles.
neverknowsbest
Member
Also... nothing. Don't forget lots of people buy consoles, play them for a little bit then just kind of have them sitting around doing nothing.norinrad21 said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Relaxed Muscle said:
No More Heroes did better than any other Suda51 game ever?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Stumpokapow said:
Did better than Syndrome games?....
JoshuaJSlone
Member
The only platforms that sold as well in hardware through this time were GBA and DS; both of which seem to have had lower software sales by several million.genjiZERO said:
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Pellham said:
They aren't 10k material either....
Except 2 or 3 titles,no 3rd party title did well on Wii,being good or bad,that means something.....
No that they are doing well on "other" platforms either,but 3rd party performance is just ridiculous...,only Nintendo is getting any profit with the Wii.