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Strootman · Jun 30, 2016

So since most people seems to not have watched this video (that is actually old) and asked to see exploration, towns, customization and shit about scalebound, here it is.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fHFFK3BXuBo

Plus bonus exploration gifs

The Jackdog · Jun 30, 2016

i want this game to be incredible.

i want it to be.

idk if it will

Zeta Oni · Jun 30, 2016

The Jackdog said:
i want this game to be incredible.

i want it to be.

idk if it will

Have faith in the Kamiya.

Punished_Snake · Jun 30, 2016

I saw this video a long time ago and this is why it's one of my most anticipated games.

Chobel · Jun 30, 2016

OMG! An RPG game has some RPG elements /s

With that title I expected some detailed list or a thorough video :/

gbland · Jun 30, 2016

hmmmm interesting. Yeah I haven't seen those features yet. I hope this game bodes well for the xbox one but i'm still sceptacle... Platinum Games seems to be stretching wayy too thin these days

Primethius · Jun 30, 2016

I think despite the poor showings, I'm still cautiously excited for this game.

Though that hope is based on a notion that the final game will be less RPG and more action.

The last enjoyable Kamiya game I played was Bayo 1 and that was over 6 years ago. Its been too long for something of similar quality.

DedValve · Jun 30, 2016

The Jackdog said:
i want this game to be incredible.

i want it to be.

idk if it will

Kamiya does have a history of bad games. Lets not forget titles such as:

silva1991 · Jun 30, 2016

The videos is cool

I can't believe all they showed this year is just one boring boss battle and nothing else.

HStallion · Jun 30, 2016

The RPG elements aren't what I have an issue with, its more the action gameplay aspect. It looks like it combined elements from Monster Hunter, a Character Action game, and an MMO and I'm just not sure it all meshes very well as far as we've seen.

My other big complaint is the dragons look like shit and I don't mean visually. They're basically glorified helicopters that just hover around flapping their wings spamming fireballs. Sorry but I expect a bit more out dragon combat than that, that is the safest, easiest and most disappointing route they could have gone in my opinion. Why bother including a dragon if it isn't going to act anything like one?

WiseSplinteR · Jun 30, 2016

I have been underwhelmed by everything I've seen of this game up to now, but that town looks pretty awesome.

Hibiki Kurosawa · Jun 30, 2016

The game looks so good. Let's hope it turns out really well as well. It seems so ambitious that I have my worries.

ScriptedReality · Jun 30, 2016

it has potential..

Primethius · Jun 30, 2016

DedValve said:
Kamiya does have a history of bad games. Lets not forget titles such as:

Yea, I'd try to forget W101 too.

/jk... But that was a huge disapointment for me as a Kamiya fan.

Alexm92 · Jun 30, 2016

Looks awesome if you ask me. Looking forward to exploring that world with my dragon

Zeta Oni · Jun 30, 2016

HStallion said:
The RPG elements aren't what I have an issue with, its more the action gameplay aspect. It looks like it combined elements from Monster Hunter, a Character Action game, and an MMO and I'm just not sure it all meshes very well as far as we've seen.

My other big complaint is the dragons look like shit and I don't mean visually. They're basically glorified helicopters that just hover around flapping their wings spamming fireballs. Sorry but I expect a bit more out dragon combat than that, that is the safest, easiest and most disappointing route they could have gone in my opinion. Why bother including a dragon if it isn't going to act anything like one?

That's completely up to the player. Your dragon doesn't even have to have wings. It doesn't have to breath anything, you can just have a dragon with a straight melee build. I understand the most recent gameplay was lackluster, but the gameplay is much more customizable than it seems from those videos.

Personally I think the combat looks great. Monster Hunter X Dragons Dogma with a touch of Just Cause and Kingdoms Of Amalur.

Hopefully they release some gameplay that alleviates some of your concerns.

Aostia · Jun 30, 2016

Primethius said:
Yea, I'd try to forget W101 too.

/jk... But that was a huge disapointment for me as a Kamiya fan.

probably my favourite

Btw the premise of this game are SO GOOD that I have faith, despite the horrible (to me) E3 showcase.
I'm looking forward to it to have an excuse to buy a One later on.

DedValve · Jun 30, 2016

Primethius said:
Yea, I'd try to forget W101 too.

/jk... But that was a huge disapointment for me as a Kamiya fan.

You take that back!

jk. I felt it was his most flawed game. Which actually raises my hopes for this considerably. Let it sink in that W101 is possibly his worst game.

Kamiyas quality is insane. And him branching out of high paced action (can we please come to a consensus on this damn genre name already?) is really interesting.

NormalFish · Jun 30, 2016

Chobel said:
OMG! An RPG game has some RPG elements /s

With that title I expected some detailed list or a thorough video :/

As there are still people who think this is a character action game, it's necessary.

Shin-chan · Jun 30, 2016

Primethius said:
Yea, I'd try to forget W101 too.

/jk... But that was a huge disapointment for me as a Kamiya fan.

Man, you need to give it another shot. There's a lot to love about the game if you give it some time. I can't believe I got all of the bottle caps in it. The punch out section was awful.

Dark_castle · Jun 30, 2016

I want to the meet the guys who designed the main character and wrote his dialogue lines and shove cakes in their faces.

Primethius · Jun 30, 2016

Shin-chan said:
Man, you need to give it another shot. There's a lot to love about the game if you give it some time. I can't believe I got all of the bottle caps in it. The punch out section was awful.

I really did try with that game. But that's pretty much the only Kamiya game that didn't hook me right away and multiple hours didn't seem to rectify that.

I'll always be interested in a Kamiya game but it's hard to muster true excitement given (for me) his last truly great outing was 6 years ago in a diffrent genre.

LongDongJunon · Jun 30, 2016

Primethius said:
Yea, I'd try to forget W101 too.

/jk... But that was a huge disapointment for me as a Kamiya fan.

Don't even have to joke about it. I Fuckin hated W101.

But Kamiya will always have my trust, regardless if some of his games just weren't for me.

E3 wasn't the most exciting showing but I know it's not indicative of the entire game. Plus it's it's a game that he's always wanted to make so of course he's giving it his full attention.

Kamiya's going to want the game to be as fun as he can possibly make it.

silva1991 · Jun 30, 2016

town looks gorgeous

I hope there are variety of towns and they don't look samey.

DedValve said:
Kamiya does have a history of bad games. Lets not forget titles such as:

W101

not a bad game, but not good either

I hope Scalebound is much better.

HStallion · Jun 30, 2016

Zeta Oni said:
That's completely up to the player. Your dragon doesn't even have to have wings. It doesn't have to breath anything, you can just have a dragon with a straight melee build. I understand the most recent gameplay was lackluster, but the gameplay is much more customizable than it seems from those videos.

That's my point though. Why add dragons into a game if you're going to go the easiest, most boring, and least interesting route possible with their gameplay. Why even add a dragon brawler if you have the main character? There are just so many design decisions in the game that seem baffling and counter intuitive to me. The other more obvious problems are things like very poor hit reaction and detection, very limp long range gameplay from both the dragons and the human character, etc. etc. There were a lot of problems and it was a stark contrast to what something like Nier Automata showed off with its boss battle.

SAB CA · Jun 30, 2016

I wasn't turned off by the E3 stuff like some where. Looks like it'll let me have similar fun to Dragon's Dogma or Lost Planet 2, both of which NOTHING this generation has directly lived up to for me.

I don't really expect online MP games, or games that give you huge dragon companions as a constant option, to move like single character action games, so my expectations are in check.

Thanks for sharing some video I don't think I've seen!

I do wish the message of this game, and it's structure were clearer by now.

Spieler Eins · Jun 30, 2016

It already looked good last year, so the poor demonstration this time didn't really worry me.

TheMink · Jun 30, 2016

Is this Xbone exclusive? Or is it also coming to PC?

Exentryk · Jun 30, 2016

I can see the potential. Lots of weapons for melee combat, and I think Platinum will do it justice, so should be good.

Once we actually play the game for a while, I feel like we'll form a bond with our pet dragon, and it will feel really epic running around with him in various areas. Building him up with various abilities along with building yourself up should keep it interesting.

silva1991 · Jun 30, 2016

TheMink said:
Is this Xbone exclusive? Or is it also coming to PC?

Xbox and PC.

Crayon · Jun 30, 2016

OP is too sane. OP, if you want to evangelize an underdog japanese game, you need to be way crazier about it.

It's called "Frothing Demand".

You should present as a person who has been "touched" by the game in question and is at least partially ruined by it's majesty. Throw yourself on the sword. That's how it's always been done.

SenjutsuSage · Jun 30, 2016

I think the biggest problems with the showings thus far is that they don't showcase enough respect for the gamer's intelligence and ability to watch and understand the kind of game that it is, or the value that such a game has, and that's the huge mistake being made.

All the good stuff is being saved for sites sites that are likely displeased the game is on Xbox One in the first place, and so probably want the damn thing to fail. My honest to god opinion. Show the game without the training wheels on. Give us a proper walkthrough of a bit of the game instead of a boss battle because they think it's far easier to understand or showcase how "badass" the game is.

Crayon · Jun 30, 2016

SenjutsuSage said:
All the good stuff is being saved for sites sites that are likely displeased the game is on Xbox One in the first place, and so probably want the damn thing to fail.

What site would be the top offender, in your estimation?

Zeta Oni · Jun 30, 2016

SenjutsuSage said:
I think the biggest problems with the showings thus far is that they don't showcase enough respect for the gamer's intelligence and ability to watch and understand the kind of game that it is, or the value that such a game has, and that's the huge mistake being made.

All the good stuff is being saved for sites sites that are likely displeased the game is on Xbox One in the first place, and so probably want the damn thing to fail. My honest to god opinion. Show the game without the training wheels on. Give us a proper walkthrough of a bit of the game instead of a boss battle because they think it's far easier to understand or showcase how "badass" the game is.

The recent gameplay has been rather lackluster, but I don't think the websites being used are at fault here.

IGN had the original coverage during August, and since then they have done interviews with everywhere from Metro to WindowsCentral. The problem is that all this information about the game is spread between 10+ websites and you have to dig and dig just to get a glimpse of the overall package, which is why I made the Breakdown thread.

If they can release gameplay that does what your advocating here, then I feel it will speak to people regardless of the origins or bias of the press.

Strootman · Jun 30, 2016

Crayon said:
OP is too sane. OP, if you want to evangelize an underdog japanese game, you need to be way crazier about it.

It's called "Frothing Demand".

You should present as a person who has been "touched" by the game in question and is at least partially ruined by it's majesty. Throw yourself on the sword. That's how it's always been done.

Mmhh.. What?

Altairre · Jun 30, 2016

silva1991 said:
W101

not a bad game, but not good either

Ture. It's excellent.

Neff · Jun 30, 2016

Kamiya will make a good game

Crayon · Jun 30, 2016

Strootman said:
Mmhh.. What?

Here's a great example: The Ys series are on sale on Steam; go grab one of the BEST Action RPG series ever

That's how it should be done!

wild wild rice · Jun 30, 2016

Wonderful 101 was like a love letter to Kamiya fans from Kamiya, y'all wildin.

Okami is his worst game.

Strootman · Jun 30, 2016

Crayon said:
Here's a great example: The Ys series are on sale on Steam; go grab one of the BEST Action RPG series ever

That's how it should be done!

Too lazy for that XD

Varjet · Jun 30, 2016

wild wild rice said:
Wonderful 101 was like a love letter to Kamiya fans from Kamiya, y'all wildin.

Okami is his worst game.

Hear, hear.

Okami is an ok game

Manbig · Jun 30, 2016

Based on a lot of people's reaction to the E3 footage for this game, I think that a lot of people are still expecting this to be some sort of fast paced DMC/Bayo style action game rather than a slow methodical FFXII/XC style action RPG that it obviously is. This is not the kind of game that demos very well in a short trailer on a big stage.

blakep267 · Jun 30, 2016

I'm still excited for scalebound. The first showing was early and despite the frame rate wasn't that bad. The second showing was a bit of a boring lost planet boss fight, but it's not something that completely turned me off from it. The FFXV Titan fight was leagues worse

Hindl · Jun 30, 2016

W101 had some big flaws, but the highs outstrip any other Platinum game I've played

wild wild rice · Jun 30, 2016

Varjet said:
Hear, hear.

Okami is an ok game

Indeed, I never said it was

a bad game

.

Crayon · Jun 30, 2016

Okami is not good!!!! It's as not good as Twilight Princess!!!

Those dark times are behind us. Zelda is back. = Videogames are back.

Bits N Pieces · Jun 30, 2016

How have I not seen that video or the content in it before? Thought I'd been following this game pretty closely.

Dereck · Jun 30, 2016

The Jackdog said:
i want this game to be incredible.

i want it to be.

idk if it will

.

Zeta Oni · Jun 30, 2016

HStallion said:
That's my point though. Why add dragons into a game if you're going to go the easiest, most boring, and least interesting route possible with their gameplay. Why even add a dragon brawler if you have the main character? There are just so many design decisions in the game that seem baffling and counter intuitive to me. The other more obvious problems are things like very poor hit reaction and detection, very limp long range gameplay from both the dragons and the human character, etc. etc. There were a lot of problems and it was a stark contrast to what something like Nier Automata showed off with its boss battle.

Well, lets take your example.

Why even add a dragon brawler if you have the main character?

I cant help but feel like your thinking of the game too much like another action game. The main character will support builds just like any other RPG you have seen, He can take a far away approach, use the bow and arrow and lay traps for example. You can use the melee focused dragon to handle CQC while you set up.

Don't like bows and arrows? There's a Ki blast that's basically some Yusuke Urameshi type shit if that's more of your thing.

Don't like fighting from a distance? Okay, say you use something like the greatsword or the spear. With the same build you mentioned, you can tune your dragon for speed so that he can cover your openings while using such a slow weapon, or make him a metal covered death dragon with a giant blade to rain down the pain while you cover his openings with the faster weapon.

My point is, Scalebound is an ARPG. What you may see as pointless may be a build someone else comes to love. Having variety is (almost) never a bad thing. The whole point of the game is this development of a bond between the two protagonist, and I feel that's a much more interesting idea, especially in the way it manifests in gameplay. I could relate to your point if the game was ever made out to be something like Panzer Dragoon or something more focused around controlling your dragon directly, but even in concept phases it sounded far more similar to something like The Last Guardian.

I also think the gameplay itself looks fun as hell, so there's that.

Shin-chan · Jun 30, 2016

Primethius said:
I really did try with that game. But that's pretty much the only Kamiya game that didn't hook me right away and multiple hours didn't seem to rectify that.

I'll always be interested in a Kamiya game but it's hard to muster true excitement given (for me) his last truly great outing was 6 years ago in a diffrent genre.

I get you. Im sceptical about this one and no amount of rpg elements will save the lacklustre action mechanics we've been presented with so far.

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