Fox Mulder
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So beautiful plus sized models just come off as lazy to me. You're half way there, if you work out, you'll be everywhere.
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Sports Illustrated Swimsuit 2015 Issue Features Plus-Size Model Ashley Graham
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Anton Sugar
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Again, people can still be considered beautiful even if they don't work out. What you're saying is that beauty=a specific standard or size.
It's 100% okay if you don't find her or other larger women attractive, but it's unfair to think she's lazy just because she doesn't look the way you want her to.
ShadowsFell
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Some girls just naturally have larger frames, and carry more muscle/body fat than other girls, even if they work out, and are healthy. There's nothing wrong with that. I love it.
bananafactory
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Admiral Bone to Pick
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The reason she's a model is that she's still able to maintain a fairly attractive face despite her high level of body fat. Most women who are that fat don't look good at all, and the model is basically an exception. I really hope most women don't start to feel "okay" about having that level of body fat either, because it's not healthy.
OpinionatedCyborg
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"plus" size? how about "normal" size. she isn't even a small fat. but hey, baby steps, right? one step closer to a realistic woman being in SI.
Tragicomedy
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I love how you make up arguments that I haven't said or made, and somehow call me an idiot. I never used the word healthy anywhere. Great job, Mr. Strawman!
I gave you an out earlier for the pointless insult, yet you continued and confirmed you're an ass clown. Good job!
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Sarcasm and name calling. Not exactly rising above adversity.
PflargBlarg
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Maybe it's just me, but using the term 'thick' to describe a woman gives me the heebies.
CassidyIzABeast
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BodiesWithoutOrgans
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she is not a plus size model - she looks regular to me
TheBryanJZX90
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Basically every single model is an exception. They get the job because they are exceptionally better looking than most people. So it's the same thing here.
Anton Sugar
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Are definitions of overweight and obese still dependent on BMI? If so, they're still flawed, as they don't account for actual body fat percentage and muscle mass.
She is overweight, but calling her obese is a stretch, IMO. She'd have to be over 200 lbs at her height (5'9") to be considered obese, and again, BMI is far from an accurate measurement of actual body composition. We have no idea how "healthy" she is, how much she works out, how she eats.
Even if she is obese, I still think she's gorgeous.
Zoe
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"Obese" has been hijacked to mean people who do nothing but gorge themselves and need a scooter to get around.
I find 200 to be totally plausible, especially now that you say she's 5'9".
Dat jiggle that only a plus sized girl can have...my gawd.
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I hear she comes highly recommended on instagram.
Her fat is predominantly subcutaneous, not visceral (belly). Subcutaneous fat really isn't the kind of fat that causes problems, it's visceral fat. It's perfectly acceptable to be thick around the arms and legs, it's when you are carrying a spare tire around the waist that problems arise.
Le_Samourai
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Yes she is a beautiful, overweight woman.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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Yeah, so plus size women aren't attractive just because she is. She basically has the face of a really thin girl with the body of a thicker girl, likely due to lucky genetics. Most women with that level of body fat would have a double chin to match or something close.
Even Ben Franklin mired the bods. Uncle Ben knows best.
Dude Abides
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Who knew GAF had so many MDs specializing in obesity issues.
Anton Sugar
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Based on BMI, I'm overweight, and just a SMIDGE under obese. Spoiler: I'm not!
BMI is borderline useless when discussing someone's health except when it comes to extreme examples (i.e., people who are remarkably fat and/or skinny), as it is easier to ignore the rest of their body composition.
Tragicomedy
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I attempted to last page. He created a fictional argument for me and called me an idiot again. My conscience is clean.
KiwiLannister
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Actually I'd argue that it's very useful for extremely skinny people and it's perfectly accurate for obesity outside of body builders. If you don't go to the gym and lift heavy on a regular basis then it will be accurate. And you have to be pretty seriously strong for it to become inaccurate.
It isn't useless when discussing people who aren't heavily muscled or extremely under muscled. For average joes it's decent as a rough measure. She might be very muscular under all that fat but she doesn't look it; she looks like an unusually good looking fat woman who carries it well, combined with some photoshop. I'd guess she's probably 35% body fat, which is not ideal health-wise.
I think that it is important for people like her to be in a magazine like this because like it or not there are many body types out there, and lots of girls of all shapes and sizes who want bikinis. They should all have their models too. I don't like the implication that her body is an ideal or that this is ammo for the fat acceptance movement.
What is like to see is more really fit women in bikinis. That would be cool and provide a healthy alternative role model.
This will probably sound insensitive, but I don't like the idea of accepting obesity. I'm not saying we should shame people who are overweight, but I am saying that we shouldn't celebrate mediocrity.
I realize there are guys who like plus sized girls, and that's totally fine, but I think that female role models (the women on magazine covers) should exemplify what's best for the woman, not what's best for men looking at the woman. And in most cases, being overweight is not what's best for the woman. Of course women have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, but as a society we should in general be promoting a fit figure. Celebrating oversized figures tells us that being lazy and eating unhealthily isn't so bad.
At this point it probably seems like I'm only concerned with looks, but that's only because I'm speaking in reference to Sports Illustrated. When I'm in the grocery store I would like to see fit women on the fashion and health magazines, and I would also like to see women on the covers of political and scientific magazines. On these, physical attractiveness is irrelevant - all I care about is what they did to contribute to their field.
Just my opinion of course.
I realize there are guys who like plus sized girls, and that's totally fine, but I think that female role models (the women on magazine covers) should exemplify what's best for the woman, not what's best for men looking at the woman. And in most cases, being overweight is not what's best for the woman. Of course women have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, but as a society we should in general be promoting a fit figure. Celebrating oversized figures tells us that being lazy and eating unhealthily isn't so bad.
At this point it probably seems like I'm only concerned with looks, but that's only because I'm speaking in reference to Sports Illustrated. When I'm in the grocery store I would like to see fit women on the fashion and health magazines, and I would also like to see women on the covers of political and scientific magazines. On these, physical attractiveness is irrelevant - all I care about is what they did to contribute to their field.
Just my opinion of course.
terrisus
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Pretty hilarious
that so many people think that arbitrary numbers and arbitrary formula and arbitrary definitions are somehow set-in-stone and objective.
Dress/clothing "size" is an artificial creation.
While "health" is not an artificial creation, much more goes into it than just a bodysize and weight.
The fact that so many people are so fixated on "dress/clothing size" and BMI formula and such and saying "This is what a woman is, deal with it" is just sad.
And that's the last I have to say on this, since these topics pretty much always go the same way anyway.
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Dress/clothing "size" is an artificial creation.
While "health" is not an artificial creation, much more goes into it than just a bodysize and weight.
The fact that so many people are so fixated on "dress/clothing size" and BMI formula and such and saying "This is what a woman is, deal with it" is just sad.
And that's the last I have to say on this, since these topics pretty much always go the same way anyway.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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I wouldn't say she is overweight. I don't really find her that attractive though. Too normal for my tastes.
Jason's Ultimatum
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She's really pretty with a hot body.
I feel where you're coming from. Definitely wouldn't call a chick thick to her face.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Anton Sugar
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Isn't that what I said? It's useless unless you are extremely overweight or underweight.
Not a bodybuilder, btw. The fact that BMI doesn't account for muscle or actual bodyfat means it should always be taken with a grain of salt except for extreme obvious circumstances. And even then, it's more of a indicator and not an evaluation.
That booty picture looks shopped. Here's a nice one from her Instagram
http://instagram.com/p/xiQsBOzZ0X/
http://instagram.com/p/xiQsBOzZ0X/
Dark Ninja
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Sounds like just a cheap PR stunt to try and get some magazine sells. SI will be dead soon at least in magazine format no way they survive 5 more years the way print media is going. The fact that they are still alive currently astonishes me when I can just search for any swimsuit pictures at home or more provocative images if id like.
The Lone Courier
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Im all about the bass.
terrisus
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She has two thumbs on the same hand?
Admiral Bone to Pick
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That pancake booty. Why
That's a pancake butt? What kind of gelatinous mass do you find acceptable?
Fudgepuppy
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Porn has taught me that all kinds of women can be incredibly sexy. More power to them!
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