Blackace
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Baltimore Man robbed/stripped in front of a bunch of people (wsh video careful)
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No I dont think it was racially motivated. I do believe maybe had it been a black man drunk, they wouldn't have fucked with him. He stuck out because he was the only white guy in the group. I dont think they actively targeted him because he was white, but it played a small part in it.
But I also think hate crimes are bullshit, because intent is so hard to prove. And hate crimes bring up stupid discussions and arguments over one side not being treated fairly. I would prefer if a crime was treated as a crime. Im one of those people who think race should, for the most part, be completely ignored, esp in Government. No hate crimes, no quotas, no rewarding or punishing any person more because of the color of their skin.
Pretending things don't exist isn't how you deal with them.
I watched The Wire so I feel I know all about Baltimore.
If thats what you want to make of it then fine. But that's really not my intention.
I shouldnt have called him an idiot.
But I do think its foolish and reckless to be drunk off your ass in surroundings like those.
I wouldn't have done the same.
It's an unfortunate reality that some people will take advantage of your situation like that.
Should they have fucked him up?
Am I surprised they fucked him up?
The answer to both of those is no.
I assume you subscribe to John Derbyshire's "talk" then?
What the fuck does slavery or AIDs have to do with this? At All? Because their ancestors were slaves, all black people get a pass to hate whites? I dont get why you keep bringing this up.
We all have to pay for the sins of our ancestors now? We cant be judged as the people we are? What other people before me did has nothing to do with me, or who I am as a person.
Those guys are animals, and its not because they're black. It wasn't a slip up, it was intentional. Look at how they act, their actions back me up. Or like those pieces of shit sub human animals who went around killing innocent black people. Some people are pieces of shit, most of that group happened to be.
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Before the race labelers try and twist it, Im not equating the murderers to these people who robbed a man, murder is clearly much worse.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I know you better than that, but you can see how those two statements are rooted in the same mud
This is how you start...and this is how it ends.
la flama blanca
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Now I'm scared.
Don't forget sideways racism. As a Hawaiian Japanese Irish male, I face sideways racism all the time.
Neuromancer
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It's like any other city in America. There are good and bad spots.
Foxy Fox 39
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My brother and his friends were robbed by knifepoint while out in the wee hours of the morning.
My cousin was robbed (had his car stolen) while out in the wee hours of the morning. Both are black, and the thieves were black.
Its about opportunity. When I look at this video it doesn't seem like a hate crime. They are messing with him because he's hammered. The girls are even dancing on him. If it were a hate crime the black dudes would have really got pissed when the black girls did that AND they probably would have attacked sooner.
Secondly they realize he can be taken advantage of because he's drunk so they rob him, and only hurt him when he fights back.
I'm not going to say race had absolutely no hand in any of what happened afterward, but it seems to me the initial motivating factor was that he was drunk and hanging with unfamiliar lowlifes.
Let's just be happy the idiots taped it.
My cousin was robbed (had his car stolen) while out in the wee hours of the morning. Both are black, and the thieves were black.
Its about opportunity. When I look at this video it doesn't seem like a hate crime. They are messing with him because he's hammered. The girls are even dancing on him. If it were a hate crime the black dudes would have really got pissed when the black girls did that AND they probably would have attacked sooner.
Secondly they realize he can be taken advantage of because he's drunk so they rob him, and only hurt him when he fights back.
I'm not going to say race had absolutely no hand in any of what happened afterward, but it seems to me the initial motivating factor was that he was drunk and hanging with unfamiliar lowlifes.
Let's just be happy the idiots taped it.
er, I don't want to second guess the moderation staff, but did you really ban him for that?
Devolution
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Creating a racist bait troll thread? Uh yeah I guess he did.
Definitely not second guessing that one. The OP was just a troll attempt and there was zero follow through.
How was this a racist bait thread? I mean, it's a pretty fucked up situation. He posted the link because he was upset, not for any ulterior motive. I don't know if the act itself was motivated by race, but I do think it's a bad situation.
Freakinchair
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I guess only Gaborn is allowed to post fucked up news + commentary. Sorry Dorkimoe!
You should read the thread, but he basically made race the backbone of his reason for posting, when the story is not being reported as such. He then ended with *popcorn* as to sit back and watch as the responses that he wanted rolled in without taking part in the conversation.
pooptacular
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Juancho9 was being very sarcastic and didn't realize that his words would be taken the wrong way.
I just got two lunches for posting that.
I just got two lunches for posting that.
I wouldn't participate in this thread either, look at all those bans, lol.
samus i am
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Just watched the video. It absolutely doesn't seem like a hate-crime. These guys noticed that the victim was too drunk to defend himself and capitalized on the situation. He said himself that he doesn't remember anything that happened. The bigger issue is why do people feel comfortable taping and uploading videos of themselves in crimes? It is absolutely idiotic.
Well, it WAS a white guy being fucking destroyed by a bunch of black guys. If it were the other way around, it would absolutely look like a hate crime, regardless of how it was reported.
ding ding ding
Devolution
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We call that a cultural narrative.
The popcorn killed him, I don't think not having posted since made any difference considering he made his point clear and posed good questions in a what if scenario for other gaffers to consider.
Kind of funny, the OP and the man that got robbed, both got merked for being stupid. The littlest things resulting is epic badness.
Kind of funny, the OP and the man that got robbed, both got merked for being stupid. The littlest things resulting is epic badness.
Uno Venova
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My god, the casualties on the first page...
? What are you saying, then?
And on the second page...
Oh, so you're saying as a hypothetical, that if black people had enslaved white people instead, THEN this would be a hate crime?
Devolution
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Given the historical precedence of white on black violence, it's assumed to be racially motivated. All one has to do is look at the cultural and historical evidence that reflects this.
Tell me where I said that.
weekend_warrior
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And yet this doesn't get you banned, wow. You're basically condoning this type of behavior.
Hey he was just another idiot, an easy mark, nothing wrong with beating and robbing someone when it's that easy.
In the Uniform Crime Reporting Program, the victim of a hate crime may be an individual, a business, an institution, or society as a whole. In 2010, the Nation’s law enforcement agencies reported that there were 8,208 victims of hate crimes. Of these victims, 9 were victimized in 4 separate multiple-bias incidents.
By bias motivation
An analysis of data for victims of single-bias hate crime incidents showed that:
So people do get prosecuted for hate crimes against white people, which is completely appropriate. The truth is that there is always some resentment on the part of the majority against laws which are designed to protect religous and ethnic minorities in any society but it is important to look after the rights of those who are at a disadvantage. I hope by the end of this century that is a principle that all nations and societies accept.
By bias motivation
An analysis of data for victims of single-bias hate crime incidents showed that:
So people do get prosecuted for hate crimes against white people, which is completely appropriate. The truth is that there is always some resentment on the part of the majority against laws which are designed to protect religous and ethnic minorities in any society but it is important to look after the rights of those who are at a disadvantage. I hope by the end of this century that is a principle that all nations and societies accept.
You just said it yourself.
Given the historical precedence of black on white violence, it's assumed to be racially motivated.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
omg... Black people didn't enslave white, black people didn't enforce Jim Crow laws on white people, whites didn't JUST become full citizens less than one generation ago.. There is NO hypothetical..
It's a case by case thing. I agree that the first reaction to white on black crime is to cry racism. That's unfortunately our culture. The media and group mentality play into it too, which can only help to further the divide. However, it's not always about race. It can be as simple as wrong/place wrong time. Which is what I believe happened here and in that evening in Stanford.
DY_nasty pointed this out so wonderfully with this post.
Devolution
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And I somehow denied that white people can be attacked based on race because of that? You're drawing hilarious conclusions here. And no it's not automatically a hate crime in reverse, it's a historical precedent that a group of white men using violence against a lone black man is racially motivated. Are we to just deny history or what?
Oh nm.
The Incarnation
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Did you ignore his comment afterwards about the video being posted.
Like ALL black people march and riot when there has been an injustice done.
Heck if that truly happened you'd never sleep.
Horse Armour
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It's a bloodbath in here.
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