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U.S. to Canada: WikiLeaks release may hurt relations
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Meus Renaissance
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Predictable, and yet sad. Then again the NYT did discuss this prior to publication with the White House, I'm sure they'll refrain from provocative language as the Guardian may use
It's huge already. No kidding about the fact it could hurt relations with other countries. North Korea stuff and the fact that the US has been spying on its allies...*BOOM* And it's only one part of the leak. There's five more days of releases left.jamieson87 said:
On a semi-related note, did Twitter just implode because of this?
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Interesting when it comes to older stuff:
As for the rest, the most damaging thing I've read so far is that the US is doing bombings in Yemen. I expect some major backlash there.
As for the rest, the most damaging thing I've read so far is that the US is doing bombings in Yemen. I expect some major backlash there.
Meus Renaissance
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nyong said:
When I read these comments, I get the impression people think the UN is a single unit. It's a collection of world countries. Politicians distrust each other. That's not news or any different then it has been since it's inception; it acts as a platform where they all get together.
Perfect Blue
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USA-Canada relations.saelz8 said:
But the UN ultimately speaks with one voice when decisions are made, like to condemn Israel. Or to allow homosexuals to be executed. Etc. People treat UN authority as if the world has reached some sort of consensus and spoken. I want to see what kind of backroom political maneuvering has taken place within the organization. If Hillary Clinton ordered diplomats to spy on the UN president, there is probably a damn good reason for it: i.e. corruption. At a minimum, I hope that her reasoning is made clear.Meus Renaissance said:
If the US-Canada news is bad, then I really hope our next prime minister is anti-American. We need to disassociate with the US as much as possible and just keep a loose relationship and stand up on matters that hurt us.
America has fucked us over in trade negotiations time in and time out. Our association with America hurts us internationally. They need our trade just as much as we need theirs, so we don't have to worry about us getting hurt by the US by taking hard lines on topics.
Need to trade more with the EU and Asia anyways.
America has fucked us over in trade negotiations time in and time out. Our association with America hurts us internationally. They need our trade just as much as we need theirs, so we don't have to worry about us getting hurt by the US by taking hard lines on topics.
Need to trade more with the EU and Asia anyways.
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sphagnum said:
Cause the extremists in Yemen can say their government is lying to them and to the parliament, openly. They'll have a must stronger case against their own government.
The rest puts in the US in a rather good light IMO. It mostly shows that the US is trying to prevent nuclear proliferation, undermine terrorist activity, and deal with unstable and dangerous governments.
I think the US shouldn't panic so much over this, the US' image isn't worst with this leak IMO.
Oh, and spying on the UN chief and co. might not look so good.
Keyser Soze
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sphagnum said:
Outside US things will be worse. The people of Yemen were told different, which will not go down well in that country.
Basically everything in these Cables dramatically effects other countries much more than the country they are directly about.
ashbash159
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Any news of aliens or stuff?
Well, I'm somewhat relieved. I guess no really serious stuff was leaked, but it appears that all major (and not so major) repercussions were already leaked to the press. A lot of this shit has already been assumed in the press by "anonymous sources" and so on. This means that people are generaly know what happens. They couldn't care but if they do they have information to base their decisions upon.
Sir Fragula said:
If there was a corrupt conspiration stemming from the highest levels of the U.S. government, you would think that it would be guarded a bit closer than an easily accessible military server? Nothing leaked was Top Secret. There is almost certainly more to this story.
Meus Renaissance
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The ironic thing is this material comes from the US database [Cybernet?] that was set up after the 9/11 Commission concluded that US intelligence agencies did not share enough information
Meus Renaissance
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nyong said:
Well people need to realise it's not a world voice, at times it's a mass collection of states. Coincidentally, those on the UN Security Council are all close allies of the US. Politicians spy on each other. No one is going to be shocked by what Hilary Clinton ordered. European allies spy on each other, not just their diplomats, but militarily as well. It's a common fact of life. It's not even really relevant, it's just gossip and exciting to read. But when they are caught spying, there are repercussions and potentially State Department lives are at risk now as X country has been humiliated openly by having that diplomat spy on them.
The truth will out.
Sickening how even more news space is being given to "US says it will cost lives" than with the last leak, even though now we have the direct quote of the US military saying no deaths occured from it.
the US was caught bugging Kofi Annan during the run-up to Iraq and nothing happened.
because it's proof that can't be ignored. The press, the opposition parties have something to hold up. No plausible deniability here.
man, you were one crazy right-wing whacko. Weren't you one of the people claiming wikileaks previous stuff was treasonous?
Sickening how even more news space is being given to "US says it will cost lives" than with the last leak, even though now we have the direct quote of the US military saying no deaths occured from it.
Lard said:
the US was caught bugging Kofi Annan during the run-up to Iraq and nothing happened.
because it's proof that can't be ignored. The press, the opposition parties have something to hold up. No plausible deniability here.
man, you were one crazy right-wing whacko. Weren't you one of the people claiming wikileaks previous stuff was treasonous?
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I don't see a lot of stuff in here that really puts a major dent in the US image. It just makes every one else look much less clean than they pretend to be.
Buba Big Guns
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nyong said:
hardly surprising coming from you
Meus Renaissance
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Ether_Snake said:
Probably the same sources that told them Iraq had WMD's and about to use them
dragonfart28
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This was kind of disappointing actually. I was hoping for a bit more transparency on the actual influence regarding pertinent world issues. This is more a he said, she said thing.
Keyser Soze
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SkyNews...
"Iran has sophisticated missiles, obtained from N.Korea, capable of hitting Europe"
"Iran has sophisticated missiles, obtained from N.Korea, capable of hitting Europe"
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dragonfart28 said:
Did you even read the stuff? It's pretty much all about pertinent world issues.
Meus Renaissance
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gofreak said:
The US has missiles capable of hitting Beijing and Moscow? What interest does Iran have of waging against Europe. It's the same line given about Iraq having the capability of hitting London in 45 mins.
radioheadrule83
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Oh to be a fly on the wall in any number of government offices around the world...
I agree with the poster that said a lot of this doesn't actually portray the US in a bad light. It does reveal how over-reaching and distrustful of the rest of the world it is, but I think the average American may be reassured by that. I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be much talk about the Palestinian territories and moves towards peace -- that further cements my view that the Americans and Israeli's aren't serious enough about moving forward on that.
The spying on the UN is going to be a big deal -- but honestly, I think the UN proved itself to be an impotent organisation in 2003, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were very good reasons for spying on people there. I kind of hope that if this leads to a friction in the UN, that it at least leads to the forming of a better, fairer organisation.
I agree with the poster that said a lot of this doesn't actually portray the US in a bad light. It does reveal how over-reaching and distrustful of the rest of the world it is, but I think the average American may be reassured by that. I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be much talk about the Palestinian territories and moves towards peace -- that further cements my view that the Americans and Israeli's aren't serious enough about moving forward on that.
The spying on the UN is going to be a big deal -- but honestly, I think the UN proved itself to be an impotent organisation in 2003, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were very good reasons for spying on people there. I kind of hope that if this leads to a friction in the UN, that it at least leads to the forming of a better, fairer organisation.
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