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Hillary Clinton responds to BLM protester
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theignoramus
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A BLM protester does what the US media has failed to do in two decades and gets Clinton to talk about that specific comment.
BLM:+1
US media:fail
BLM:+1
US media:fail
In think she could have responded a bit better, talking specifically about problems of black people and not just "all kids" - but good thing she responded swiftly as the media had started to run away with it.
She's trying to spin it in a light where she can implicitly connect it to her work with children, which has been very good and positive all around. That way, if it's brought up as a talking point in a debate or something, she can pivot in the middle of her answer to talking about her work with children if she needs to. Thinking ahead. It's smart in a kind of calculated sort of way.
AnathemicOne
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I can dig it. Ideally Clinton would've responded immediately to the BLM protester instead of having her escorted out, but this is fine even if the statement was most likely prepared before sending it out.
thehypocrite
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In regards to blame and mistakes she says we, in regards to solution she says I. Own up to your mistakes Hillary. Say "I" did wrong and move on. That protester was referring to the things "YOU" did, not "we".
Veritigo_X
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In regards to blame and mistakes she says we, in regards to solution she says I. Own up to your mistakes Hillary. Say "I" did wrong and move on. That protester was referring to the things "YOU" did, not "we".
Looking back, I shouldnt have used those words, and I wouldnt use them today.
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DontBeThatGuy
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A BLM protester does what the US media has failed to do in two decades and gets Clinton to talk about that specific comment.
BLM:+1
US media:fail
No, no, she didn't protest the right way, that's what matters.
The Technomancer
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Speedy response
Pai Pai Master
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No, no, she didn't protest the right way, that's what matters.
See, she should have known Hillary was going to write up a detailed response the next day. She should have just shut up and waited for a chance to talk.
Nice to see a reminder in that article of one person that was willing to look deeper:
Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. - Bernie Sanders 1994
Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. - Bernie Sanders 1994
Dixon's Jet
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She was dreadful here. She scoffed at the interruption. Many were quick to attack Sanders when he walked out as people spoke over him. Hillary did a bit worse here.
"The real issues."
What kind of progressive is this? Once again I can say this seriously. What kind of progressive is this? Bernie, in spite of his white male limitations regarding the legacy of white supremacy, has done better here.
"The real issues."
What kind of progressive is this? Once again I can say this seriously. What kind of progressive is this? Bernie, in spite of his white male limitations regarding the legacy of white supremacy, has done better here.
In regards to blame and mistakes she says we, in regards to solution she says I. Own up to your mistakes Hillary. Say "I" did wrong and move on. That protester was referring to the things "YOU" did, not "we".
I shouldnt have used those words
I wouldnt use them today.
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Nice to see a reminder in that article of one person that was willing to look deeper:
Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. - Bernie Sanders 1994
...He voted for the bill.
She was dreadful here. She scoffed at the interruption. Many were quick to attack Sanders when he walked out as people spoke over him. Hillary did a bit worse here.
"The real issues."
What kind of progressive in this? Once again I can say this seriously. What kind of progressive is this? Bernie, in spite of his white male limitatios regarding racial issues, has done better here.
Being progressive in America is literally a different than anywhere else on the face of the earth.
Accepting climate change is a progressive stance.
No, no, she didn't protest the right way, that's what matters.
Eh, it's a heckler. She did what she was there to do, even if the way she did it probably wasn't going to ever get her this answer in the moment.
Dixon's Jet
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Thank non existent god that Bernie has moved us to the left. He might lose, but his victory was that he pushed the narrative left.Being progressive in America is literally a different than anywhere else on the face of the earth.
Accepting climate change is a progressive stance.
Veritigo_X
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Nice to see a reminder in that article of one person that was willing to look deeper:
Mr. Speaker, it is my firm belief that clearly, there are some people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them. But it is also my view that through the neglect of our Government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. - Bernie Sanders 1994
The 1994 crime bill, the statute that many African Americans single out as the cause of mass incarceration of blacks over the past 20 years and that many in the criminal justice field view as a mistake, passed the House with 235 votes. Sanders joined 188 Democrats and 46 Republicans in voting aye.
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...He voted for the bill.
Who said he didn't? This is about the language used at that time. Hillary's versus Bernie's is quite the difference.
NullPointer
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She looked fine to me. She was never given a chance to answer.She was dreadful here. She scoffed at the interruption.
thehypocrite
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We havent done right by them. We need to. We need to end the school to prison pipeline and replace it with a cradle-to-college pipeline.
Who is we?
In regards to blame and mistakes she says we, in regards to solution she says I. Own up to your mistakes Hillary. Say "I" did wrong and move on. That protester was referring to the things "YOU" did, not "we".
She takes responsability for her words, but there weren't her actions. Maybe her endorsement, but definitely not her policy.
Who said he didn't? This is about the language used at that time. Hillary's versus Bernie is quite the difference.
I'm sure those affected by the law are comforted to know he used better language when talking about it.
DragonSworne
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So does Hillary want to be "tough on crime" like she wanted in the 90s or has that changed?
Veritigo_X
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Who is we?
America? Us as a society? It isn't that hard to understand.
Dixon's Jet
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Her words were calculated but she couldn't control her annoyed tone.She looked fine to me. She was never given a chance to answer.
Voysa Reezun
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A BLM protester does what the US media has failed to do in two decades and gets Clinton to talk about that specific comment.
BLM:+1
US media:fail
Buh-buh-buh-but if only the BLM protester were more polite!
I'm sure those affected by the law are comforted to know he used better language when talking about it.
Considering the challenge presented to Hillary in this situation is about the language used, I'd say it matters.
Looking back, I shouldnt have used those words, and I wouldnt use them today.
If Hillary had used these words last night, a lot of headache could have been avoided. Look, I think that Hillary, in this 2016 presidential campaign, has done an overall good job addressing black issues. She has some trouble in her past regarding race, policy positions, and coded language, but even in the last 20 years the conversation on race has shifted. That's understandable. I also think that Bernie, once he had to react to his initial poor showing when confronted by BLM, has done a fine job addressing black issues. Hillary has generally been more on-point but Bernie has done fine too.
My concern, and I've seen it happen since the 90's, is that once Hillary gets the nomination, that she'll pivot away from black issues altogether. We're only really a force in the Democratic primary election, and our vote has consistently been taken for granted. If Hillary Clinton continues to advocate for criminal justice reform as a GE candidate, and as president, I will sing her praises to the moon, but I will be shocked, too.
Anyway, this is one issue that all of us should recognize how different the rhetoric on the left is versus that on the right, with regards to Black Lives Matter. Bernie and Hillary have disagreements on the pace of change, and the details of reform. The GOP candidates don't even believe that police violence against African-Americans is a problem. When asked, Donald Trump just gives a stump speech on how little respect cops get. We're here eating our own over minor differences, and the other half of the country is giving a wink and a nod to open season on black people by law enforcement!
Her words were calculated but she couldn't control her annoyed tone.
Annoyed? At a heckler?!
I don't think she handled it well, and I with the Secret Service hadn't escorted the woman out before they could have a dialog, but c'mon.
Who is we?
Wait, backtrack.
This is what you said:
In regards to blame and mistakes she says we, in regards to solution she says I. Own up to your mistakes Hillary. Say "I" did wrong and move on. That protester was referring to the things "YOU" did, not "we".
You were complaining that she was bucking the mistake to "we" and framing the solution with "I," when she said the complete opposite: "I" made the mistake ("I shouldn't have used those words and I wouldn't use them today"), and "we" need to follow through on these solutions.
NullPointer
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She repeatedly got interrupted every time she tried to put a word out in answer. I don't blame her at all for being annoyed, nor do I blame her for letting security escort the lady out. That lady was there to make a point, not to get an answer at the time.Her words were calculated but she couldn't control her annoyed tone.
It worked.
excelsiorlef
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Who is we?
Ummm the US government. Unless you think she alone is responsible for all that.
Who is we?
Society/the gub'ment/the voting public and she.
thehypocrite
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She takes responsability for her words, but there weren't her actions. Maybe her endorsement, but definitely not her policy.
Her words, her endorsement constitute actions.
So dispersion of blame to avoid accountability? There's no we here, the damn politicians used the fears and prejudice of the collective majority as political leverage while inflicting inhumane harm to a minority. Sorry, but leave your "We" at the door. We had nothing to do with it.America? Us as a society? It isn't that hard to understand.
Considering the challenge presented to Hillary in this situation is about the language used, I'd say it matters.
The language Sanders used is pointless and without much significance when considering he voted for the bill in question.
Dixon's Jet
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Yes she was heckled but as soon as she realized what the heckler was saying she should have responsed differently than how she responded here. The legacy of white supremacy is such that this heckler should not have been removed. This should not be the best Hillary can do.Annoyed? At a heckler?!
I don't think she handled it well, and I with the Secret Service hadn't escorted the woman out before they could have a dialog, but c'mon.
If she is going to be president she must allow herself to be moved left on this issue.
ugaboga232
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The language Sanders used is pointless and without much significance when considering he voted for the bill in question.
He voted because it contained the violence against women act so its a damned if you do, damned if you don't style vote
...He voted for the bill.
... only after several amendments were attached to it, such as funding for after school programs and measures to reduce violence against women. It was going to pass anyway, so at least those things were in there to help alleviate some of the damage he spoke about.
Veritigo_X
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So dispersion of blame to avoid accountability? There's no we here, the damn politicians used the fears and prejudice of the collective majority as political leverage while inflicting inhumane harm to a minority. Sorry, but leave your "We" at the door. We had nothing to do with it.
As Blader pointed out above (which you conveniently skipped over...), she uses "we" when talking about the solutions and moving forward. If you still want to leave "we" at the door by all means do so. I'd like to be a part of it.
theignoramus
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You know, despite the knee jerk liberal outrage, conservative smear campaign and tactical misfires from a few outliers, BLM has done commendable work in advancing the national dialogue on race and criminal justice. Fine, fine work.
And they wouldnt have got it done if they'd played the game of respectability politics.
And they wouldnt have got it done if they'd played the game of respectability politics.
TheLostBigBoss
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So does Hillary want to be "tough on crime" like she wanted in the 90s or has that changed?
considering crime is down and not an issue in the political sphere, I would say that issue has passed and the new hot thing is reform in the justice system
excelsiorlef
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Her words, her endorsement constitute actions.
So dispersion of blame to avoid accountability? There's no we here, the damn politicians used the fears and prejudice of the collective majority as political leverage while inflicting inhumane harm to a minority. Sorry, but leave your "We" at the door. We had nothing to do with it.
What?! She's not the entire Senate and House and US Government hence not I for that part.
Thank non existent god that Bernie has moved us to the left. He might lose, but his victory was that he pushed the narrative left.
Even if he does so, the left in this country is such a fucking sham.
Missing all of the goals of progress to simply refute the crazy crazies.
TheOohChild
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You probably already know this, but his vote was in support of the provisions regarding violence against women.
The language Sanders used is pointless and without much significance when considering he voted for the bill in question.
To you. Something tells me that Ashley Williams probably doesn't agree.
Pai Pai Master
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Ummm the US government. Unless you think she alone is responsible for all that.
I think he does
Her words, her endorsement constitute actions.
So dispersion of blame to avoid accountability? There's no we here, the damn politicians used the fears and prejudice of the collective majority as political leverage while inflicting inhumane harm to a minority. Sorry, but leave your "We" at the door. We had nothing to do with it.
C'mon, man.
Don't double down.
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