Germany is never going to have a non-pro EU leader. Merkel brought these reactions from her actions. Its not a conspiracy. If the Russians are fueling things its to fuel far right groups outside of Germany to weaken Europe. Merkel is not the strategic goal.
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NATO Analysts: "Russia stoking refugee unrest in Germany to topple Angela Merkel"
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Germany is never going to have a non-pro EU leader. Merkel brought these reactions from her actions. Its not a conspiracy. If the Russians are fueling things its to fuel far right groups outside of Germany to weaken Europe. Merkel is not the strategic goal.
1.21Gigawatts
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Its very obvious. All the right wing conspiracy websites are talking about how great Putin is an how bad Merkel and the EU is.
Russia Today just started its german branch and its utter shit. It actually seems to be aimed at right wing Youtube commenters.
And then you have incidents like recently when a girl disappeard and Russian Media was sure that she was abducted by refugees, even though she reappeard a few hours later and it was all a misunderstanding.
Then russian media said german police is coverin it up and the girl was actually killed.
And obviously right wing blogs and websites in germany eat it up and eventually people like the idiots on the PEGIDA demonstrations pick it up.
Russia Today just started its german branch and its utter shit. It actually seems to be aimed at right wing Youtube commenters.
And then you have incidents like recently when a girl disappeard and Russian Media was sure that she was abducted by refugees, even though she reappeard a few hours later and it was all a misunderstanding.
Then russian media said german police is coverin it up and the girl was actually killed.
And obviously right wing blogs and websites in germany eat it up and eventually people like the idiots on the PEGIDA demonstrations pick it up.
Well yeah those migrant children see the shit the West does on TV every fucking day. 'White' kids don't watch AL Jazeera when they're at home, they just see the happy joy joy Western side of life.
It's not that most migrant children care about Russia but more about the fact that they have become apathetic after all these years of mindless Western killing.
fizzelopeguss
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Don't blame the russkies for the idiocy of your own political class.
SliceSabre
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Yes I'm really going to believe NATO propaganda about Russia. NATO is still super pissed Russia outplayed their asses on the whole Syria issue and they don't have a solution that doesn't involve a direct attack on Russia since telling Russia to GTFO of Syria isn't working.
Sorc3r3r
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I'm just baffled at the audacity NATO has to blame Russia for this. Russia might be using the current crisis for their own interests but who the fuck started all this in the first place? And now they complain about dirty tactics? Seriously?
When your country is destroyed because a bunch of Western pricks decided to destabilize it in order to promote their interests in the region it's not hard to hate the West. They end up being refugees in those countries not because of their own choice but because they had to. Libya for example used to have public housing, free education, free health care and an independent banking system that made the country independent. Ghadafi was a prick but he was a fucking saint compared to what they have now.
Fun fact: I've been reading lately on Chile because imo it was the first neoliberal experiment and the beginning of this nightmare ideology all over the world, and CIA pulled the exact same shit before the Pinochet dictatorship that left thousands murdered and tortured and a middle class in shambles.
CadetMahoney
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Russia jumped on Merkels open borders policy and that of other countries. How much "destabilization" can some ghost stories cause though? Like their economy tanking, right wing, anti-EU gubment gets elected etc.
Palculator
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Ugh, I don't dabble enough in local online communities to be aware of this shit but all of this sounds fucking dumb.
David Incorporated Esq.
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It's astonishing what people will believe if they want to believe it.
Bedameister
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lol I didn't know about that. As if the whole thing wasn't fucked up enough.
But it's incredible what a big pile of bullshit RT Germany is
It's nice to have ideas and say things. I like to do those things too, but unless they can provide evidence for their claims the theory itself remains baseless.
Unlike these NATO analysts, we have evidence that points to this. Here is one document where US officials discuss formenting a Sunni rebellion in Syria in 2006: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html There are several others, including a positive assessment of the possibility of an islamic emirate emerging in western Syria.
ClosingADoor
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We're really going to pretend that during that time the world didn't scream out for someone to step in and stop Ghadafi's killing?
NATO had a big propaganda campaign during the Libyan revolution and it worked.
There were more than enough people against intervention. You sound like those Americans who say that everybody thought Iraq had WMDs.
ClosingADoor
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Any reason the other nations of the Security Council didn't vote against it then?
Iraq went ahead without support from a ton of nations. The Libyan situation is clearly different.
AFAIK the UN resolution was for a no fly zone and not regime change.
ClosingADoor
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A no fly zone with the clear goal to help the rebels trying to topple Ghadafi. And the use of force to protect civilians. NATO did not go in on the ground and fought Ghadafi there themselves.
ClosingADoor
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"Many people" might not have supported it, but the leaders of the most important nations in the world had a vote on it and nobody clearly opposed it. Russia could have voted no, but they didn't. I'd say blaming a bunch of "Western pricks" for the whole Libya situations is a large simplification of the events that went down.
Of course now we have this region in civil war and we are looking at Italy going in with soldiers which doesn't look too good.
AcademicSaucer
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Yeah , the United States have never done something like that before, NEVER.
Dick Cheney was a russian mole, Kissinger and Donald rumsfeld too,
Phantast2k
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Interesting that every German in this thread agrees with the Op's assessment, yet Putin's useful idiots keep screaming conspiracy theory and posting random, oftentimes unrelated BS. It's not only RT and russophone Russian tv either, it's a whole slew of FB groups created around pro-Russian, pro-Assad, anti-West, playing on anti-Refugees sentiment to strengthen an anti-Merkel & anti-systemic agitation.
RT and Russian tv does it semi-openly and transparently so that, let's just say, mostly weak-minded German individuals and not integrated German immigrants fall for their shit, but stuff like the hijacking of the German Anonymous group is more sinister than that (look at their reach). They have moved on to the Russian VK social network now, incidentally a place where also German neo-Nazis move to to hide their activities from the German authorities.
And not only NATO has been investigating Russian activities, but also the BND:
RT and Russian tv does it semi-openly and transparently so that, let's just say, mostly weak-minded German individuals and not integrated German immigrants fall for their shit, but stuff like the hijacking of the German Anonymous group is more sinister than that (look at their reach). They have moved on to the Russian VK social network now, incidentally a place where also German neo-Nazis move to to hide their activities from the German authorities.
And not only NATO has been investigating Russian activities, but also the BND:
Palculator
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Lmao, I didn't even read the latter part but it seems like params7 was being sarcastic. You'd have to be one dense goose to not know about U.S. foreign intervention.
Putin was behind it all. They tricked us into doing it.
Palette Swap
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Not as crazy or surprising as it sounds. A lot of European nationalists are in bed with Putin.
If you had read the article, you would've realized that the claim is that Russia is funding anti-refugee far-right parties, not associating with the refugees themselves.
fizzelopeguss
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You've got your head so far up the arse of Prussian great power political theory that you can't see the Tannenberg for the trees.
Nikodemos
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It does make sense. Putin has repeatedly personally humiliated Merkel during their meetings (as an example, Merkel is absolutely terrified by dogs since she was attacked as a child; in one of their first meetings, Putin brought one of his dogs along in the conference room) so she bears a grudge against him. Furthermore, the rest of German politicians (and I use the term exceedingly loosely) are either utter imbeciles unable to find their own assholes with a mirror and an air defence searchlight, or Schroederites all too happy to get their lips around Russian cock.
Phantast2k
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I'll bump this thread every time Russian media is making new attempts at stroking unrest in Germany.
26.03.2016: Russian state-owned Sputnik (aka. RT in different colors):
Also spread in German, on twitter & fb.
Pic originated from @RockiDave:
The news went viral in far right / anti-systemic fb groups & sites.
An English article:
Angela Merkel's selfie with Syrian refugee goes viral after he is wrongly named as Brussels bomber | Europe | News | The Independent
26.03.2016: Russian state-owned Sputnik (aka. RT in different colors):
Total Confusion: Did Merkel Take a Selfie With Brussels Attack Suspect?
A photo depicting German Chancellor Angela Merkel taking a selfie with a man allegedly resembling Brussels bomber Najim Laachraoui has gone viral.
The image published online depicts Merkel posing for a selfie with a refugee whose resemblance to the Paris bomb-maker and Brussels attacker Najim Laachraoui has been vividly discussed by Internet users.
The picture was taken in September and has caused heated debate after recent terrorist attacks in Brussels.
A series of terrorist attacks took place in the Brussels Airport and the Maelbeek metro station on Tuesday morning. As result of the attacks at least 31 people were killed and over 300 injured.
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Also spread in German, on twitter & fb.
Pic originated from @RockiDave:
The news went viral in far right / anti-systemic fb groups & sites.
An English article:
Angela Merkel's selfie with Syrian refugee goes viral after he is wrongly named as Brussels bomber | Europe | News | The Independent
As well, Russia benefits from Trump.
I've been highly suspicious on multiple outlets of this occurring. Neogaf is on that list, too. The Russia/Ukraine and some political threads are rather eye opening when it comes to certain posters.
Social engineering attacks are no joke.
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Social engineering attacks are no joke.
edit: See below and check out posting history
franbatista123
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wow do some people seriously believe this? What the hell, the EU has itself to blame for this crisis by allowing millions of refugees to migrate to the EU zone. Even before the crisis there were already big problems with migrants from "problematic" countries in some countries.
Also call me crazy or Putin-bot or whatever but jesus Neogaf has such a persecution complex in regards to Russia
Also call me crazy or Putin-bot or whatever but jesus Neogaf has such a persecution complex in regards to Russia
ClosingADoor
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Russia has done some majorly shady shit lately. You might have noticed their invasion of Ukraine that is still ongoing. Their use of social media and misinformation is also pretty well known here. And Russia's own persecution complex with NATO, which they blame for everything. So yes, people don't like Russia - or more accurately Putin and his buddies. And for good reason.
Russia's behaviour is a known phenomenon, with numerous examples in this thread and on reputable news sites as well.
franbatista123
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All that is true, but just because Russia might be actually doing this, it doesn't mean it's happening because of them, the influence of Russia in current events in regards to refugees in Europe is practically null, as Merkel brought it upon herself when she welcomed the refugees, triggering even a bigger influx of them. She's becoming more hated by the Germans because they are realizing the situation is unsustainable and the effect on their society is not so positive. Merkel has improved her approval ratings recently because she is trying to undo all the mess she is responsible for, but Germans are not fans of her.
Phantast2k
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Perhaps Russia should gtfo of Ukraine first? Which was the reason for sanctions in the first place. Over and over, EU & US keep saying sanctions will start to be lifted when progress in made in occupied Ukraine (not even mentioning the annexed Crimea here), instead Putin chooses to play dumb.
Why should land grabs be rewarded in the first place? Because the country grabbing the land is favorite among Nazis and we should be afraid of it? lmao.
While Russia's war in Ukraine was in full swing (and especially after MH17), we've even had gaf mods talk about unusual agitprop activity with Russian IPs.I've been highly suspicious on multiple outlets of this occurring. Neogaf is on that list, too. The Russia/Ukraine and some political threads are rather eye opening when it comes to certain posters.
Social engineering attacks are no joke.
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Generally, there seems to be a lot of overlap between Putinists, pro Assad ppl. & anti-Western left & right fringe, but sometimes you can just smell the Putin bots, especially in comments sections under some news concerning Russia - holy fuck, the circus is in full swing there, still.
US and European powers meddled in Ukraine, with regards to geopolitics, the end result of which was the annexation of Crimea and Ukrainian Civil War.
This is undeniable and has been discussed numerous times.
Throwing sanctions on top of that was naturally going to illicit a response from Russia, in this case they are throwing their weight behind Far-Right groups and feeding rising nationalistic propaganda throughout Europe.
Lessening those sanctions would ease the situation dramatically.
Phantast2k
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An article on the German - Russian relations (in face of Lavrov's repeated insistence on this made up rape case):
You are regurgitating Russian agitprop rhetoric, especially with the civil war bit. And you're quoting op-eds. And not just some op-eds, but ones from 2014 when scores of gullible, often nostalgically Soviet-sympathizing, journalists believed the Russian lies & denials. The WP piece cites Stephen F. Cohen, an RT regular contributor. If anything, this just shows you the tenacious insistence of the Western media to listen to all sides even if it's clear that one of the sides if lying to your face. Outside of op-eds, the Guardian argues:
Ukraines leader set up secret offshore firm as battle raged with Russia | News | The Guardian
Civil war my ass. None of what you brought up is "numerous" or "undeniable".
You are regurgitating Russian agitprop rhetoric, especially with the civil war bit. And you're quoting op-eds. And not just some op-eds, but ones from 2014 when scores of gullible, often nostalgically Soviet-sympathizing, journalists believed the Russian lies & denials. The WP piece cites Stephen F. Cohen, an RT regular contributor. If anything, this just shows you the tenacious insistence of the Western media to listen to all sides even if it's clear that one of the sides if lying to your face. Outside of op-eds, the Guardian argues:
Ukraines leader set up secret offshore firm as battle raged with Russia | News | The Guardian
Civil war my ass. None of what you brought up is "numerous" or "undeniable".
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