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Greek GAF |OT| - OPA!

oti

Banned
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I thought it would be a nice idea to have an OT for all things Greece like DeutschGAF or Dutch GAF. I'm sure we have a lot of Greek members on here. Plus Easter is just around the corner! I'll keep the OP short for now with just some basics, tell me what you want to see on here and I'll add it later.


Modern Greek 101
Pronunciation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqzemlAVn6g
100 Word List
http://www.greekpod101.com/greek-word-lists/

Music
4000 YEARS OF GREEK SONG
Spotify Playlist (not mine, maybe we could start our own one?)
Tsigaro
BONUS: Chinese students singing a Greek song FLAWLESSLY

Dance
The famous Syrtaki
Syrtaki How To
Pontiaka

TV
Some Greek tv stations livestream their program on the internet (excluding licensed stuff like movies). Some are geo-blocked.
Alpha
MEGA
ERT
Sto Para Pente - This is THE show on Greek television, it ended in 2007 and people still watch it. If you happen to learn Greek or live abroad and haven't used the language for some time, watch this show. It's funny and not too difficult to follow.

That's it for now. I know it's a bit messy. Anyway, this thread is for all the Greeks on here and everyone interested in anything Greece. Post whatever you want.
I hope you're all prepared for Easter. Time to gain some weight.

BTW: You can't really translate the expression "OPA!" into English. It just means "OPA!". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqzrofdwi-g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chVG6lajfN0
 

Vaenyr

Member
How about some music?

First of all some greek rock (greek artists, greek lyrics):

Ksylina Spathia - O vasilias tis skonis

Dytikes Synoikies - Party maske

The song with one of the greatest (keyboard)solos of all time. Seriously, everyone who enjoys a little prog rock should listen to the part from 02:28 to about 04:46, it's musical perfection:
Vasilis Papakonstantinou - Victoria

And now for some metal, rather extreme stuff :p (greek bands, mixed lyrics)

Rotting Christ - Athanatoi Este

Septic Flesh - Anubis

Let's just hope more than a handful of people will check this thread out :p
 

oti

Banned
Thanks for the links!
I'm sure we have some Greek members on here, let's hope they'll find this place.


And here's what we'll eat on Monday. (Not me, I'm not a fan.)

 
Didn't know that there was a Greek-Gaf |OT|.

I recommend you to read greek poetry. It's really great.


DENIAL by Yiorgos Seferis (nobel prize winner)
[English translation by Edmund Keeley
and Phillip Sherrard]

On the secret seashore
white like a pigeon
we thirsted at noon;
but the water was brackish.

On the golden sand
we wrote her name;
but the sea-breeze blew
and the writing vanished.

With what spirit, what heart,
what desire and passion
we lived our life: a mistake!
So we changed our life..



The Cretan by Dionysios Solomos (Greece's national poet and in my opinion, one of the greatest)
Translation by Roderick Beaton
I
I gazed, and still far distant was the shore.
‘Blest thunderbolt, give light, I pray, once more!’
Three thunderbolts fell, one behind the other,
close by the girl, and made a fearful din.
From sea and sky the lightning struck an echo,
mountains and shores gave tongue with many voices.

II
What I shall tell, believe me, is pure truth.
I swear this by my body’s many wounds,
by those who fought with me and fell in Crete,
by her who grieved me sore, this world forsaking.
(Sound, Trumpet; shaking off the shroud, I forge
a path among the pallid resurrected,
cry: ‘Who has seen the one whose beauty hallows
the Vale? Speak now and see all that is good.
No shred remains of earth; and heaven’s made new.
I love her still and with her will be judged’.
‘On high we saw her first, her garland trembling
at Heaven’s gate where singing she came forth.
Her voice was joy and sang the Resurrection,
all eagerness to live again as flesh;
the whole of Heaven heard and was amazed;
the conflagration of the world was lulled;
she was but now before us, making haste;
this way and that she looks and someone seeks’.)

III
On rolled the thunder…
And then the sea, that raged like boiling broth,
was quieted, all calm and polished clean,
a fragrant garden, filled with all the stars;
Nature, by some deep mystery constrained,
shone forth in beauty and forgot her wrath.
No breath of wind touched sea or sky, not even
such as a passing bee makes on a flower,
but close by the girl, who gladly clung to me,
the full moon quivered limpid on the water;
something at once unraveled there and lo,
before me was a woman clothed in moonlight.

IV
The cool light trembled in her godlike visage,
in her deep jet-black eyes and golden hair.
She gazed upon the stars, and they exulted,
and shed their beams and did not dim the sight,
and from the unruffled surface of the sea,
a cypress-tree, ethereal, she rose,
reached out a lover’s arms, but humbly too,
all radiant with beauty and with goodness.
Then noonday brilliance washed away the night,
creation, filled with light, became a temple.
At last, to me, who faced her in the currents,
the way a lodestone turns towards the North,
to me, not to the girl, she bent her head;
wretched, I gazed at her, and she at me.
I thought: I could have seen her long ago,
painted in church with awesome splendour,
or had my lovesick mind created her,
or dreamed her, even, with my mother’s milk?
Sweet memory of old, and long forgotten,
it came before me then in all its power,
as when from mountain depths a spring bursts forth
and all at once is gilded by the sun!
A spring then did my eyes become; for long
that godlike face was hidden from my sight,
while deep within me I could feel her gaze
that made me tremble so, I could not speak.
But these are gods, that look from whence they dwell
down into the abyss where is the heart
of man: I felt her read my mind more clearly
than ever could my tongue have told my grief:
…
…
‘My brothers in their prime the Turks snatched from me,
defiled my sister, slew her in hot blood,
at nightfall burnt to death my aged father
and next day threw my mother in the well.
In Crete…
two fistfuls of her earth I brought away.
O Goddess, help, keep safe this tender shoot,
my only hold against the precipice’.

V
Sweetly she smiled upon my spirit’s pain,
tears filled her eyes, and they were like my girl’s.
Alas, she vanished, but I felt her teardrop
touch my uplifted hand that reached towards her. –
From then till now this hand has not been mine,
that once was quick to draw upon the infidel.
It takes no joy in war: a beggar’s hand,
for bread it reaches out to tearful strangers.
And when, a night, my eye from so much grief
Grows weary, harsh dreams drag me back again,
and thunder crashes once more on the sea,
whose waves once more seek out my girl and drown her,
I wake near frantic and my mind gives way,
until the touch of this same hand brings calm. –
With this I cleft the waves, that smelled so sweet,
and knew a strength I had not known before,
not even when we fought with naked swords,
a handful of brave men against so many
or when I struck down Yusuf and two more
close by the Labyrinth where we were pressed.
So strong my stroke, the louder beat my heart
because it beat against my loved one’s side.
But then my stroke grew weary, when a sound,
sweetest of sounds, came forth across the waters.
This was no young girl’s voice in budding woods
(hour of the evening star when waters darken)
who to the wellhead sings her secret love,
to trees and flowers that, opening, bend to hear.
This was no song of Creten nightingale,
whose voice pours from its nest on high, wild crags
and sweetly strikes an echo all night long
from seas far distant and the distant plains,
until the stars dissolve before Dawn
who, hearing, drops the roses from her fingers.
This was no shepherd’s pipe on Psiloritis
such as I used to hear, alone and grieving,
when high in heaven blazed the noonday sun
and mountains, seas and plains in light exulted,
and, seized by hope of liberty, aloud
I’d cry: ‘My hallowed country bathed in blood!’
and weeping then, would lay my hands with pride
upon her blackened stones and shrivelled weeds.
Pipe, bird, voice: none of these could match that sound,
whose like perhaps has vanished from the earth:
not words, but sound so light…
too soft to echo even from close by.
Whether close by or distant I knew not,
like the scent of May there wafted on the air
the sweetest, inexplicable…
Such power as this have Love and Death alone.
The sound seized all my soul and quite shut out
the sky, the sea, the shore, even the girl;
it seized my soul and often made me yearn
to leave behind my body and to follow.
It ceased, drained nature empty and my soul
that sighed and at once filled with my beloved.
And now at last the shore: I laid her head
upon the strand with joy, but she was dead.

Kostas Karyotakis
Lives (translation by Keith Taylor and Bill Reader)

And so they go and die the same way they live.

I speak of lives given to the light
of serene love, and while they flow
like streams, they keep that light inside
eternally inseparable, just as
the sky glints in rivers,
just as suns flow through the skies.
I speak of lives given to the light. . .

I speak of brief lives draping
a woman’s rubied lips, just as
votive offerings, silver hearts, are draped
on the icon-screen up front.
These lives on a woman’s beloved lips
are likewise humble and true.
I speak of brief lives draping. . .

No one mistrusts them.
Just as - quiet and dark
and foreign and sad - they follow
the footstep, the idea of a lithe woman
(and she isn’t mistrusted), so they
will droop toward the earth, will fade quietly.
No one mistrusts them. . .

They moved uncertainly - faint
as stars at the hour of dawn -
through the thought of a passing woman
who, so she could keep going happily,
didn’t notice the lives which fade slowly
like the soul of a morning lamp.
They moved uncertainly - faint. . .

Lorenzos Mavilis
Lethe (tanslation by P. Karagiorgos)

Fortunate are the dead who forget
the bitterness of life. When the sun sets
and dusk follows, do not weep for them,
no matter how deep your sorrow may be!

At such an hour the souls are thirsty and go
to οblivion's crystal-cold spring;
but the water will turn muddy,
if a tear is shed for them by the beloved.

And if they drink turbid water, they recall,
passing through fields of asphodels,
past sorrows that sleep within them.

If you cannot but weep, at sunset,
your eyes should lament for the living
who seek to forget, but cannot do so.

C. P. Cavafy
Candles (translation by Edmund Keeley/Philip Sherrard)
Days to come stand in front of us
like a row of lighted candles—
golden, warm, and vivid candles.

Days gone by fall behind us,
a gloomy line of snuffed-out candles;
the nearest are smoking still,
cold, melted, and bent.

I don’t want to look at them: their shape saddens me,
and it saddens me to remember their original light.
I look ahead at my lighted candles.

I don’t want to turn for fear of seeing, terrified,
how quickly that dark line gets longer,
how quickly the snuffed-out candles proliferate.

Sorry for the long post.
 

ash_ag

Member
Nice of you to make a GreekGAF thread, oti xero. I always end up surprised by how many of us are on GAF. Non-Greeks are also very welcome with questions and whatnot! :)
 

oti

Banned
Nice of you to make a GreekGAF thread, oti xero. I always end up surprised by how many of us are on GAF. Non-Greeks are also very welcome with questions and whatnot! :)

Right? I'd always find a new user casually droping they are Greek so I thought we could start a thread on our own. I also thought people might have questions about the crisis etc. so this should be a good place to ask such questions. Plus, due to diaspora we are everywhere so uniting us is fun.
 

ash_ag

Member
I get the impression your name is Konstantinos, oti xero? Happy nameday if so!
Also, Eleni. I'm sure we have plenty of them here.
:p

I guess this may be a good time to bring up Konstantinou kai Elenis to any non-Greek who may be looking for a good TV show. oti xero is wrong about Sto Para Pente. Konstantinou kai Elenis is much better! :D
 

persongr

Member
I get the impression your name is Konstantinos, oti xero? Happy nameday if so!
Also, Eleni. I'm sure we have plenty of them here.
:p

I guess this may be a good time to bring up Konstantinou kai Elenis to any non-Greek who may be looking for a good TV show. oti xero is wrong about Sto Para Pente. Konstantinou kai Elenis is much better! :D

Good heavens, no it's not. It borderlines at stupidity most of the time, at least Para Pente has a cohesive storyline - too many instance of deus ex machina though, after the first time everyone got saved by *that* character it got predictable.

GOAT greek series is Yperocha Plasmata.
 

ash_ag

Member
Good heavens, no it's not. It borderlines at stupidity most of the time,

That's how sitcoms are. It can get silly, but I find it incredibly funny for the most part. It does have that distinctive late Greek 90's feel to it, for better or for worse, but it's one of the most authentic and timeless comedies on Greek television. Not sure if I can say any contemporary sitcom is worthwhile. Μην αρχίζεις τη μουρμούρα is entertaining, but not necessarily funny.
 

persongr

Member
That's how sitcoms are. It can get silly, but I find it incredibly funny for the most part. It does have that distinctive late Greek 90's feel to it, for better or for worse, but it's one of the most authentic and timeless comedies on Greek television. Not sure if I can say any contemporary sitcom is worthwhile. Μην αρχίζεις τη μουρμούρα is entertaining, but not necessarily funny.

90's in Greece are way overrated. Konstantinoy kai Elenis gets racist, sexist, or downright stupid very often - only a few instances of it are truly funny. Especially compared to its contemporary "rival" of sorts, 2 Ksenoi. Also, the fact that it is on constant repetition for the last 10 years doesn't really make it timeless, just a meme.

As for modern television in Greece, well, let's just say that there is hardly anything salvageable.
 
Not exactly a brand new thread I know, but sticking my head in to say I love you, Greece! Culture, mythology, history, geography and cuisine... Greece tops it all.

Speaking of cuisine, I'd kill for a Souvlaki pita right now. So good.
 

oti

Banned
Greek GAF, how are your friends/family members reacting to the Brexit? I'd love to know. Haven't had a chance to talk to my relatives yet.
 
Greek GAF, how are your friends/family members reacting to the Brexit? I'd love to know. Haven't had a chance to talk to my relatives yet.

Well they are kind of neutral actually and they actually wait to see what happens.
They also joke about the leave vote saying that if Tsipras was the British PM he would turn the leave result into a remain one :p
 

Rafy

Member
Damn, I did not see the thread sooner. It's been a long time since I saw an episode of Para 5 OP, so thanks for that! Maybe add Loaf And Camouflage?
 
Btw a few days ago there was an incident here with a Greek photographer and a German minister
More info here

Does anyone know if the German media played these news at all?

@oti xero I think you are half german.Have you heard anything about it?
 

oti

Banned
Btw a few days ago there was an incident here with a Greek photographer and a German minister
More info here

Does anyone know if the German media played these news at all?

@oti xero I think you are half german.Have you heard anything about it?

No, not really. I googled it and every big media site has reported it though. Lately I am very focused on Brexit tbh, it's kinda consuming my life. :p

BTW: I'm not half German. I don't mind, just to be clear, but I'm not. I was born and I grew up in Germany but all my papers are Greek. I have been thinking about getting a German passport if that`s possible though, in addition to my Greek one that is.

Another BTW: If you want we can totally write Greek here. I just figured it would be kinda messy with the different alphabets. Ala ke etsi ginete. :)
 
No, not really. I googled it and every big media site has reported it though. Lately I am very focused on Brexit tbh, it's kinda consuming my life. :p

BTW: I'm not half German. I don't mind, just to be clear, but I'm not. I was born and I grew up in Germany but all my papers are Greek. I have been thinking about getting a German passport if that`s possible though, in addition to my Greek one that is.

Another BTW: If you want we can totally write Greek here. I just figured it would be kinda messy with the different alphabets. Ala ke etsi ginete. :)

If the forum rules allow it then yeah sure, although personally I like writing in English for training purposes :p

Haha it would also be interesting to see the reactions of non-greek Gaf people to Greeklish xD
 

oti

Banned
If the forum rules allow it then yeah sure, although personally I like writing in English for training purposes :p

Haha it would also be interesting to see the reactions of non-greek Gaf people to Greeklish xD

German and Dutch GAF just write German and Dutch, I don't see why that would be a problem here.
 

ash_ag

Member
Happy March 25th everyone!
Χρόνια πολλά! 🇬🇷
 

oti

Banned
Anyone watching Survivor? My entire family is obsessed with that show. I'm watching it for the first time and it's so duuuuuumb. And kinda boring.
 
Anyone watching Survivor? My entire family is obsessed with that show. I'm watching it for the first time and it's so duuuuuumb. And kinda boring.

Man, it's really boring.I don't watch TV at all, but everyone is talking about the show either at work or when i go out with friends, so I watched an episode but after 10-15 minutes I just turned off the TV :p.

It's crazy how everyone here is obsessed with the series.
"Skai", the TV station that airs Survivor has also been putting a lot of money to the production, especially if you consider the crisis here.I think I heard a number, like 80 million euros or something.

@oti xero, imagine that even in the Parliament, the finance Minister Mr Tsakalotos said as a phrase when voting to pass the reforms in order to close the second review of the programm and everyone in the opposition was angry.
He said "We are alone anyway, right at this moment 9 out 10 in Greece watch Survivor, so there is no reason to exist any tension between us."

Haha, so you can get a taste of how popular it has become here :p
 

oti

Banned
Man, it's really boring.I don't watch TV at all, but everyone is talking about the show either at work or when i go out with friends, so I watched an episode but after 10-15 minutes I just turned off the TV :p.

It's crazy how everyone here is obsessed with the series.
"Skai", the TV station that airs Survivor has also been putting a lot of money to the production, especially if you consider the crisis here.I think I heard a number, like 80 million euros or something.

@oti xero, imagine that even in the Parliament, the finance Minister Mr Tsakalotos said as a phrase when voting to pass the reforms in order to close the second review of the programm and everyone in the opposition was angry.
He said "We are alone anyway, right at this moment 9 out 10 in Greece watch Survivor, so there is no reason to exist any tension between us."

Haha, so you can get a taste of how popular it has become here :p

My mum told me they even cook stuff with coconut in all the talks shows like Eleni. Crazy.
 
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