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Marvel Says: No More Major Events For At Least 18 Months After Secret Empire
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……forgetit
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I'll believe it when I see it
Sgt. Kabukiman
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When you gotta do damage control before your event even starts...
Oh thank you. They need more focused and planned out events like Secret Wars and not... Pleasantville.
Well, we already know some of the pieces already:
When you gotta do damage control before your event even starts...
Well, we already know some of the pieces already:
Hydra leadership reforming, Superior Octopus with Hydra, what else?
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They're going to have an X-Men or Spider-Man event or both and say "We meant no LINE WIDE events guys!"
They're going to have an X-Men or Spider-Man event or both and say "We meant no LINE WIDE events guys!"
yeah i'll believe this when i see it
Gentleman Jack
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Imagine being able to sit down and read 12 issues of a monthly comic without it being interrupted, it is sad how outside of the norm that is for Marvel these days.
It used to be like this outside of X-Books, all the time. Like the only interruption I can even remember while reading The Hulk in the early 90s was the Infinity Gauntlet stuff. I actively miss those days.
They're going to have an X-Men or Spider-Man event or both and say "We meant no LINE WIDE events guys!"
also 100% this
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Well, we already know some of the pieces already:Hydra leadership reforming, Superior Octopus with Hydra, what else?
I wasn't referring to the actual quality of the event but to the general event fatigue that has been obvious for quite a while now. I don't read Cap but I've heard good things, I'm sure it'll probably be decent since Bendis isn't writing it.
Scientist Supreme!
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I mean the op literally says exactly that.They're going to have an X-Men or Spider-Man event or both and say "We meant no LINE WIDE events guys!"
That's what they mean. We will still get smaller crossovers.They're going to have an X-Men or Spider-Man event or both and say "We meant no LINE WIDE events guys!"
Tyrant Rave
Banned
This should have happened long ago
Early impressions for Secret Empire are that it's good and the writing eclipses CW2.I wasn't referring to the actual quality of the event but to the general event fatigue that has been obvious for quite a while now. I don't read Cap but I've heard good things, I'm sure it'll probably be decent since Bendis isn't writing it.
radios shipping overview
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From context, it seems Gabriel is referring to universe-wide events such as Secret Empire, Civil War II, and Secret Wars. According to the transcript, Gabriel clarified that smaller crossovers would still happen - and could likely be referred to as "events" - in the absence of better terms for marketing.
They used to be referred to as "crossovers." Apparently they still are. Maybe you could use that. Hmm!
That shouldn't be a surprise considering how good Pleasant Hill worked as its own thing.Early impressions for Secret Empire are that it's good and the writing eclipses CW2.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I call bullshit on this.
I'm in the middle of civil wars 2 on unlimited. It's amazing how many tie ins there are. I feel like it touches every book except for squirrel girl and Moon Girl, many for multiple issues.
And the issues are not very good because everyone has to spend at least one page rehashing the current status of the event. They add nothing to the event, and there aren't really any good stories to tell within the event.
In this sense I think even Axis was more interesting. At least exploring the idea of evil Tony stark or evil Luke Cage has some merit as a stand alone story.
And the issues are not very good because everyone has to spend at least one page rehashing the current status of the event. They add nothing to the event, and there aren't really any good stories to tell within the event.
In this sense I think even Axis was more interesting. At least exploring the idea of evil Tony stark or evil Luke Cage has some merit as a stand alone story.
googleplex
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They should have put events on hiatus after Secret Wars instead of making people suffer through Civil War II.
At least Civil War II had an interesting premises if Flawed execution. Inhumans vs X-Men was pure nonsense-garbage. And they Unceremoniously killed off Cyclops off panel.
Fucking finally! Can I get some books now that don't get sucked into a huge event vortex, ruined, cancelled, and relaunched?? Huh? Marvel?
How hard is that, though?
Early impressions for Secret Empire are that it's good and the writing eclipses CW2.
How hard is that, though?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Early impressions for Secret Empire are that it's good and the writing eclipses CW2.
Yeah, I'm not surprised. It'll still be a pass for me since I already follow more books than I can keep track of but hopefully it'll put Marvel back on the right path.
Edit: now that I think about it, the constant relauches and renumberings are just as off-putting to me as the events. I really hope they'll calm down on that front too.
it's crazy how far i've fallen on Marvel since the end of Secret Wars
i'm still not ready to come back. might be a while.
Secret Wars was my big Marvel swan song after about 10 years of unbroken reading. The events do start to burn you out. Even if you don't read them, most of your favourite titles get disrupted via tie-ins, cancellations, or relaunches.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Thank fuck. Win me back Marvel.
I don't hate events. But they really got out of hand. They should really avoid line-wide crossover events for the foreseeable future. At best, give us something with proper build up like Secret Wars every few years.
Secret Empire really should have been the first ANAD event. Everything before now has felt so forced.
I don't hate events. But they really got out of hand. They should really avoid line-wide crossover events for the foreseeable future. At best, give us something with proper build up like Secret Wars every few years.
Secret Empire really should have been the first ANAD event. Everything before now has felt so forced.
RareFantasy64
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I think there should be one line-wide event every 18 months to 2 years
Creative teams don't stay on books forever and both Marvel and DC seem more interested in having smaller volume collections for series to make it easier for readers to get in to rather than a series that runs for 50+ issues with a new volume relaunch (outside of some staples like Detective Comics and Action Comics)
So I don't understand the immense fuss over events. Events are going to happen. You aren't going to have an uninterrupted series for 18+ months. That series is going to have creative team switch-ups, perhaps a brand new #1 signifying a new volume of the series, and yes, an event somewhere it gets tied to.
Creative teams don't stay on books forever and both Marvel and DC seem more interested in having smaller volume collections for series to make it easier for readers to get in to rather than a series that runs for 50+ issues with a new volume relaunch (outside of some staples like Detective Comics and Action Comics)
So I don't understand the immense fuss over events. Events are going to happen. You aren't going to have an uninterrupted series for 18+ months. That series is going to have creative team switch-ups, perhaps a brand new #1 signifying a new volume of the series, and yes, an event somewhere it gets tied to.
Thank fuck. Win me back Marvel.
I don't hate events. But they really got out of hand. They should really avoid line-wide crossover events for the foreseeable future. At best, give us something with proper build up like Secret Wars every few years.
Secret Empire really should have been the first ANAD event. Everything before now has felt so forced.
I was about to say Standoff set the stage for Secret Empire-but Standoff was one of those "smaller" crossovers.
They are much worse written events out there than CW2.Fucking finally? Can I get some books now that don't get sucked into a huge event vortex, ruined, cancelled, and relaunched?? Huh? Marvel?
How hard is that, though?
I agree, but at the same time it would be hard imagining Secret Empire being setup the way it is without the fallout to CW2 now that I think about.Thank fuck. Win me back Marvel.
I don't hate events. But they really got out of hand. They should really avoid line-wide crossover events for the foreseeable future. At best, give us something with proper build up like Secret Wars every few years.
Secret Empire really should have been the first ANAD event. Everything before now has felt so forced.
I'll believe it when I see it
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Adam Sadler
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That's great. I've slowed down reading a lot because the constant announcement of events. Secret Empire was the only one that interested me and j can't wait for you tbh.
I think there should be one line-wide event every 18 months to 2 years
Creative teams don't stay on books forever and both Marvel and DC seem more interested in having smaller volume collections for series to make it easier for readers to get in to
So I don't understand the immense fuss over events. Events are going to happen. You aren't going to have an interrupted series for 18+ months. That series is going to have creative team switch-ups, perhaps a brand new #1 signifying a new volume of the series, and yes, an event somewhere it gets tied to.
12-18 month creator runs are part of the problem with the past decade of Marvel comics. Paired with decompressed story arcs, a lot of those runs barely hit their stride before something else comes along. If Manga readers have no problem having long runs broken down into volumes, I don't see the argument as to why comic readers need a new jumping on point two times every 3 years.
If you look at lists of people's favorite modern runs, most are on the longer side. Occasionally we get someone who can do something substantial with 6-12 issues (Warren Ellis for example), but most writers do better with more time.
Don't even get me started with the artist musical chairs.
"We haven't even talked about one for 18 months, at the very least. Those will be away for quite a while."
"We haven't talked about one for 18 months" is different from "no events for 18 months."
I give them until November.
I'd guess that for most regular fans who just want to read a good storyline, those events are exactly what make you stay away, at least that's the case for me. I'm sure there have been good ones, and after loving Hickman's FF run I'd like to check out his (New) Avengers stuff at some point, but most are hard to follow and seem to cater only to the hardcore fans. But if you want to discover something new, most of us don't feel like following a tie-in flowchart. All of the great Marvel runs I've read have been standalone and I don't feel like a jungle of tie-ins is ever needed to tell a good story.
I stopped following Marvel altogether actually because of the focus on events. I'll have to look for some recent series that don't tie into anything, like Superior Foes did a while back (great book!). But for now everything I follow and buy is on Image.
I stopped following Marvel altogether actually because of the focus on events. I'll have to look for some recent series that don't tie into anything, like Superior Foes did a while back (great book!). But for now everything I follow and buy is on Image.
RareFantasy64
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12-18 month creator runs are part of the problem with the past decade of Marvel comics. Paired with decompressed story arcs, a lot of those runs barely hit their stride before something else comes along. If Manga readers have no problem having long runs broken down into volumes, I don't see the argument as to why comic readers need a new jumping on point two times every 3 years.
If you look at lists of people's favorite modern runs, most are on the longer side. Occasionally we get someone who can do something substantial with 6-12 issues (Warren Ellis for example), but most writers do better with more time.
Don't even get me started with the artist musical chairs.
I'm with you. I like long runs. But I hear people complain about events more than I hear people complain about short creative runs so I just developed the impression that superhero comic fans were okay with the short creative runs. IMO they are a bigger problem than events.
Personally I like shorter runs because they are easier to collect and recommend. Longer stories can easily start to run out of steam.12-18 month creator runs are part of the problem with the past decade of Marvel comics. Paired with decompressed story arcs, a lot of those runs barely hit their stride before something else comes along. If Manga readers have no problem having long runs broken down into volumes, I don't see the argument as to why comic readers need a new jumping on point two times every 3 years.
If you look at lists of people's favorite modern runs, most are on the longer side. Occasionally we get someone who can do something substantial with 6-12 issues (Warren Ellis for example), but most writers do better with more time.
Don't even get me started with the artist musical chairs.
it's crazy how far i've fallen on Marvel since the end of Secret Wars
i'm still not ready to come back. might be a while.
Probably MU next annual sale, I might never go back to monthly.
12-18 month creator runs are part of the problem with the past decade of Marvel comics. Paired with decompressed story arcs, a lot of those runs barely hit their stride before something else comes along. If Manga readers have no problem having long runs broken down into volumes, I don't see the argument as to why comic readers need a new jumping on point two times every 3 years.
If you look at lists of people's favorite modern runs, most are on the longer side. Occasionally we get someone who can do something substantial with 6-12 issues (Warren Ellis for example), but most writers do better with more time.
Don't even get me started with the artist musical chairs.
How many modern runs retain artists for the entire length?
I'm with you. I like long runs. But I hear people complain about events more than I hear people complain about short creative runs so I just developed the impression that superhero comic fans were okay with the short creative runs. IMO they are a bigger problem than events.
The numbering is annoying more than anything else. They seem to think starting with a lineup of new number ones every year will get new readers to jump in. Maybe that does work, but then they undermine whatever progress they make with the line-wide crossovers.
How many modern runs retain artists for the entire length?
Hardly any at Marvel if we are talking about runs over 18 issues.
Personally I like shorter runs because they are easier to collect and recommend. Longer stories can easily start to run out of steam.
There isn't really the stability needed for longer arcs. A lot of writers seem to pitch a book with a killer first year/story, because they can sell an editor on that. When that proves popular and they continue with the book, we get a slump. Or some event causes the book to detour.
I'm with you. I like long runs. But I hear people complain about events more than I hear people complain about short creative runs so I just developed the impression that superhero comic fans were okay with the short creative runs. IMO they are a bigger problem than events.
One thing I like about long runs is that the characterization and supporting cast tend to stay more consistent.
Even though I don't agree with all of Dan slotts decisions on Spider Man, I've mostly enjoyed his run because it has sense of continuity and consistency to it over time. One problem with the short run is that characters can seem to lack a defining theme or personality over time because every 12 months is a new "take" on the character.
Edit: As for numbering, I would like to see some books go back to the pre-Marvel now numbering, particularly ones like Amazing that have really long runs
HP_Wuvcraft
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"We won't have events but we'll have smaller events called events."
These events occur regardless and are more at the discretion of the authors (to some degree) over editorial mandates."We won't have events but we'll have smaller events called events."
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