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Russian professor: America 'Disintegrates' in 2010

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As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010


By ANDREW OSBORN

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.

In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.

In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.

Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union."

Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water.

Mr. Panarin's résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.

The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified."

In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.

"When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise," he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. "They didn't believe me."

At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.

He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.

Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator.

Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

The article prompted a question about the White House's reaction to Prof. Panarin's forecast at a December news conference. "I'll have to decline to comment," spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.

For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino's response was significant. "The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully," he says.

The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin.


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Zapages

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My father told me about this yesterday.... All I will say is yeah right.... :lol :lol :lol :lol

EU here I come. :lol :lol :lol
 
Dude, I'm going to be an Atlantic American! I can't wait to JOIN THE EUROPEAN UNION SOMEHOW.

Shit, Palin warned us. And we didn't listen.
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
These doom and gloomers are like fucking patent trolls.

Throw out enough predictions, and when something even remotely fits what you said in the past, its time for you to capitalize.
 

Azih

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This dude is the Russian equivalent of Western foreign policy 'analysts' who have no idea about the regions they're talking about but insist on blathering on anyway with what little purely theoretical knowledge they do have.
 

sprsk

force push the doodoo rock
I find Tennessee being a part of the EU about as funny as Utah becoming a part of China, wtf.

Does this guy know nothing about American culture?
 

Scipius

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DY_nasty said:
I'm so down for the EU.

Not with the Carolinas, Virginias, Kentucky and Tennessee you're not. Ditch those pronto and we'll consider it.

As a Dutchman, let me extend my hand of friendship to the former New Netherlands first of all. You will have to speak Dutch once again, though, might want to start early.
 
NintendoTogepi said:
Wait, why are South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Kentucky mixed in with the rest of the Northeastern states?

sp0rsk said:
I find Tennessee being a part of the EU about as funny as Utah becoming a part of China, wtf.

Does this guy know nothing about American culture?

Pretty much.
 

Dyno

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This guy is beyond wrong. CANANDA? We Canadians are goint to annex a huge chunk of America? No way.

Quick my Canadian brothers! Hide the plans from the American heretics! They must never find out until it's too late!!!
 

jjasper

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So this is how Tennessee is going to be relevant in football again?

NintendoTogepi said:
Wait, why are South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Kentucky mixed in with the rest of the Northeastern states?

Agriculture baby! It will be just like pre civil war (without the whole slavery thing) all over again.
 
avaya said:
TN, KY, WV and SC are part of the Liberal Elite? :lol

You guys don't want the world's largest deposit of natural gas and the highest quality coal? If China will trade us General Tso's secret... We'll call it a deal.
 

Ela Hadrun

Probably plays more games than you
This reminds me of some Choose Your Own Adventure-type sci fi book I read when I was ten, where like, Arizona and New Mexico had seceded from the union or something... It was actually more plausible than this...
 

Sol..

I am Wayne Brady.
NintendoTogepi said:
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Wait, why are South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia and Kentucky mixed in with the rest of the Northeastern states?


THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN BITCHES.


and i be movin' to da north cuz i cant be pickin no cotton man.




I swear this thread was made before and i said the exact same thing in it as well
 

NewLib

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avaya said:
TN, KY, WV and SC are part of the Liberal Elite? :lol

I think we aren't Hispanic enough to taken over by Mexico so he just threw us any with all the other silly White people.

Even though I dont understand Arkansas, Alabama, or Mississippi in Mexico either.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
I started reading at the east coast and started clockwise.

It just got funnier and funnier.
 
That would be a disaster for Canada's border.

Edit: And I can't see any american wanting to join China or Mexico. Its Canada/Europe or bust.
 
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