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After being in denial for some time, I've come to a realization: I'm agnostic

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you dont have to be an outcast, just keep it to yourself if itd make relations tougher.

i may not care which teams wins at a baseball game but ill root for home to make everyone happy.

btw are you going to live differently?
 
I was never really big into church when I was a kid, but I kind of found it odd reading so many text's in my world lit class and they all sounded like stuff I've heard come from the bible. It's just ancient story's that were passed down and told over and over.
 
So another one has been converted. The non-religion religion, the fastest growing non-religion in America.
 
Funky Papa said:
Is buying a Zoroastrian deity an act of reaffirmation through consumption?
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The car company is actually named after Ahura Mazda. Lots of folks think its a Japlish interpretation of "Matsuda" but he chose the name because he was crazy obsessed with Zoroastrianism and liked the phonetic coincidence.
 
Himuro said:
If I were religious in any way, Islam would be the first religion I'd prescribe to as many of its beliefs fit me: allowing intellectual discourse on the religion and encouraging such, not being based around the worship of a man who "rises from the dead" but the actual entity we know as God; a one on one relationship.
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:lol I just find this funny, sorry.
 
Pretty much the same, except it took 17 years till I got out of my denial. Firmly on the fence and like to watch both dogs bark at each other. :lol
 
bathhouseterror said:
You can't tell the difference between Christian faith and Greek myth?

lol nub
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Yeah, Greek mythology was written in Greek, whereas Christian mythology was written in Greek or Latin.

This important distinction is lost on many people.
 
You're on the right track. Now go study on evolution and science, you'll be an atheist or defacto atheist ("very likely there's no god agnostic") in no time.

Now lets fornicate and eat babies.
 
*sigh* couldn't you have posted this in the huge agnostic/atheist thread that we JUST had?

ZephyrFate said:
Fuck atheism and agnosticism. Humanism is the way to go.
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:lol Most Humanists are also atheist and/or agnostic. It's not exclusive. Atheism/Agnosticism doesn't say anything about beliefs, they just say something about what you do not believe. That's why we have humanism. Often times it acts a set of beliefs for people who are non-religious, or non-deist/theist, and therefor atheist. There are religious humanists, but you'll find the overwhelming majority to be secular humanist, and in the UK and elsewhere the term humanist all by itself implies secularism, which in turn will most likely support agnosticism and/or atheism.

OP you are also an atheist - which simply means you hold no belief in a god to be true. Agnostic as you've said is probably the more accurate of your viewpoint, but claiming to be an atheist is also not inaccurate. Although you would lead the unfortunate position of having others misinterpret your viewpoint as you believing that there is no god, but not simply holding no belief in a god's existence.
 
Though I may be black, I'm very very anti-social so so far no one really knows I'm an atheist and probably it's for the best.

I don't mean to be paranoid/scary, but atheists seem to be pretty hated(btw as far as I'm concerned "Atheist" and "Agnostic" are synonymous; the differences are negligible imo). And usually so are black people. Now image a BLACK ATHEIST! Don't walk down any dark alleys or chill out under any trees Himuro....
 
Came to a similar conclusion a while back myself, also coming from a heavy black Southern Baptist background.

When I finally sat my (incredibly spritual) mom down to talk about it, instead of being dissapointed she looked at me with relief and said that she was expecting me to tell her I was gay.
 
The way Socreges bolded this:

Himuro said:
However, I can't say he doesn't exist either, because there's so much more to this galaxy and universe and planet than I could ever comprehend.
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gave me the sudden urge to watch COSMOS again. Carl Sagan's soothing voice.

We are made...of star stuff.

Sigh.
 
People should stop giving agnostics a hard time... it's a good first step for people who are raised on dogmatic principles.
Wanting to believe there's something more that we don't understand is OK by me. It's better than dogmatic religion and its followers who are naive enough to think that mortal men have the capacity to know the truth about the world's biggest mystery and restrict our behavior on this "understanding".

Congrats, man... you're smart enough to know that dogmatic religion is wrong with its quick answers and unexplained rules but aren't ready to jump to the reactionary conclusion of atheists that a spiritual or unexplained connection can't exist at all.

Agnosticism is the "wait and see" human philosophy. Which is OK by me.
 
Weren't you already an outcast in the black community by being a muslim? I understand a number of blacks are muslims, but still would have to be a small minority in America.
 
Whew. I won't lie, I was laughing pretty hard at your Islam thread. Nice to see you have some common sense. Religion is a crock of shit.
 
agrajag said:
Weren't you already an outcast in the black community by being a muslim? I understand a number of blacks are muslims, but still would have to be a small minority in America.
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Muslims aren't outcasts of the black community.

And what's with this weird obsession from some atheists to claim agnostics as their own. It's bizarre.
 
When I was maybe 10 years old I went to a kids church in the village I grew up in. After a few weeks I asked one of the guys there "Why do we live?" and I was told that the question was the answer in itself. This moment I gave up on religion. I guess I'm lucky that no one around me cares. I wasn't even aware someone might be forced to deny something like that in the western world.
 
Tamanon said:
Muslims aren't outcasts of the black community.

And what's with this weird obsession from some atheists to claim agnostics as their own. It's bizarre.
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It honestly probably depends on where you live although "outcast" is definitely too strong a word. The Nation of Islam or even traditional Islam is more common in places like New York and such but its probably considered a bit unusual by most blacks who live down South even though of course it does exist down South.
 
Now ask yourself: What evidence lends the slightest bit of credence to the concept of god as an idea worth even implicit acknowledgment (i.e. labeling oneself as agnostic or atheist)?
 
since this thread is about you anyway
who is the girl in your avatar?

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I give you 1 month before you convert back to a religion, you don't seem to have the "non faith" to stay agnostic, but well, maybe you will suprise us, I hope you decide for whatever you think is the best for you and not beacose you will be influenced by anyone else (like the black community you keep talking about)

Goya said:
:lol I just find this funny, sorry.
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I lol'd too
 
Terrell said:
People should stop giving agnostics a hard time... it's a good first step for people who are raised on dogmatic principles.
Wanting to believe there's something more that we don't understand is OK by me. It's better than dogmatic religion and its followers who are naive enough to think that mortal men have the capacity to know the truth about the world's biggest mystery and restrict our behavior on this "understanding".

Congrats, man... you're smart enough to know that dogmatic religion is wrong with its quick answers and unexplained rules but aren't ready to jump to the reactionary conclusion of atheists that a spiritual or unexplained connection can't exist at all.

Agnosticism is the "wait and see" human philosophy. Which is OK by me.
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Um, I was always under the impression that atheism was about rejecting the claims of organized religion and really has nothing much to do with the potential of some generic intelligent entity. I mean it's really kind of useless to think about that potential. If we discover a big huge entity that made the universe, then that'll be that, but so far there's absolutely nothing we've discovered so far that points in that direction.

Again, atheism really is vastly, if not only, about the rejection of the religions that people have made up.
 
Tamanon said:
And what's with this weird obsession from some atheists to claim agnostics as their own. It's bizarre.
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It's about eroding the negative connotation surrounding the word, not claiming anything. The word has a meaning and the OP meets the definition. Just pointing it out.
 
You went from Christianity to Islam to agnostic. Why do you care so much about defining your life through such boundaries? Just live your life and stop worrying about such stupid shit.
 
Extollere said:
*sigh* couldn't you have posted this in the huge agnostic/atheist thread that we JUST had?



:lol Most Humanists are also atheist and/or agnostic. It's not exclusive. Atheism/Agnosticism doesn't say anything about beliefs, they just say something about what you do not believe. That's why we have humanism. Often times it acts a set of beliefs for people who are non-religious, or non-deist/theist, and therefor atheist. There are religious humanists, but you'll find the overwhelming majority to be secular humanist, and in the UK and elsewhere the term humanist all by itself implies secularism, which in turn will most likely support agnosticism and/or atheism.

OP you are also an atheist - which simply means you hold no belief in a god to be true. Agnostic as you've said is probably the more accurate of your viewpoint, but claiming to be an atheist is also not inaccurate. Although you would lead the unfortunate position of having others misinterpret your viewpoint as you believing that there is no god, but not simply holding no belief in a god's existence.
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For me, as a humanist, I just don't even consider religion to be a topic in my mind worth discussing -- it has no effect on my everyday life. I do not have any feelings for or against it. I am not religious nor am I agnostic...

I put my faith in people.
 
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