McHuj
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http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/18/xbox-nextxbox-720-chips-in-production/
some quotes from the aricle:
some quotes from the aricle:
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Xbox 3 Rumor: Dev Kit Silicon In Prod, IBM CPU/HD 7000 Series GPU, 2013 Release
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AzureNightmare
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if they're just starting now then that doesn't bode well for a release in 2013, especially with yields as low as 20%.
Vyse The Legend
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Really? This is a valid source?
In be4 "semiaccurate" jokes.
LOL wat?
AzureNightmare
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McHuj
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He's speculating low yields just to be safe and approximate usable dies from the initial run. No way would the console chip be that big >= 550 mm.
"Microsoft does not comment on rumors or speculation."
Any other supposed response is pure BS.
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If the HD7000 is a good place to start with graphics, how good are we talking? I'm going to finally build a new PC in a few months and I've been out of the loop with benchmarking things.
Compelling texturezs everywhere in this bitch.
The Abominable Snowman
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Well, if they make a 4th console afterwards, what would be bigger than Infinity?
Xbox Infinite Series of Infinities
By than gaming will all be on the iPad.
Or it will be called Xbox Infinite and Beyond.
Xbox ∞^5 [5, so it can compete with the PS5]
I know it would cause a lot of Toy Story jokes but Beyond would be a good name for the 4th generation of Xbox console.
Infinity has a lot of marketing potential on its name alone and so does Beyond since you can just say Xbox Beyond, Beyond Infinity.
Much better than Loop or that 720 shit.
Tallshortman
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It's just the 7000 series, not any one card is mentioned. The range of performance is large so any speculation on graphical prowess is purely speculation. This whole thing is based on rumors too.
Infinity U ?
I've said it a bunch of times in a bunch of different threads. There's no way that the next xbox doesn't have a DX11 GPU. I still think the GPU will be DX11 compliant with some features that MS will look into putting in future DX versions.
McHuj
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Two things I'd like to add, if the speculation on the time line in this article is correct, one hardware Dev kits will be out around GDC and we should get a flood of rumors and hopefully specs.
Two, if developers are getting dev kits with hardware this march but the console isn't launching for another year or more, I'd expect a pretty strong launch window for software. That would probably give devs 12-18 months with the hardware (obviously not final form, but close) before launch.
Two, if developers are getting dev kits with hardware this march but the console isn't launching for another year or more, I'd expect a pretty strong launch window for software. That would probably give devs 12-18 months with the hardware (obviously not final form, but close) before launch.
Sounds in line with what I was expecting. I'm really curious as to how close the Xbox 3 and PS4 are going to be in specs. It seems like both IBM and AMD will be doing the CPUs and GPUs for both. How likely is it that the specs for those will be very similar? It'll be an interesting gen if the only real differences are RAM and disk drive speeds. That would be nice for multiplatform development.
In a closed system pretty fucking sweet.
The dev kit card for the alpha 360 dev kits was the X800, the best card they could get at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the next xbox's final graphics card is on the level of a midrange 8000 AMD card.
Well it's not going to be a 7970, that's too big and hot.
Maybe a 7750 or something level GPU is what they're using, that's reasonable.
That's like top of the line 2012 PC stuff. Being able to play BF3 and Witcher 2 the way they were meant to be played with most if not all of the graphical extras turned on.
So..grossly more powerful than a 360.
Well, according to charlie this SoC is taped @ 32nm, so 7750 will be perfect for that power envelope. At 28nm it requires ~70W, at 32nm it will go higher.
This rumor hit the web about a week before IBM/GF announced their plans:
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/game-developer-expecting-xbox-720-andor-ps4-for-christmas-2012/
Follow the chips is a rule of thumb here. AMD's HD7000 slides also had some remarks about features that the chipset has that they were expecting to become big with next-gen engines. Spring 2013 they say? I'm still betting on a fall 2012 launch with PGR5. Now the big question is if IBM/AMD sold Nintendo pretty much the same chip...
I am betting at this years E3 the press conference will end with them saying. "Check back next year for the next generation in gaming" and then a short teaser image/video pops up.
CitizenCope
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I would take any one of those names. Actually Loop sounds weak.
Loop sounds too casual. Like Kinect.
So I take it that 7000 series is a beast of a GPU?
Well Loop is apparently the code name and Microsoft has a big "8" theme going on this and next year with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. Why not just turn the 8 on its side and put the Xbox name on it too?
I don't get it, a few months ago we get a rumor that MS held a gathering at Disney Land after E3 to get feedback from the developers, and now they already have the final hardware in production and plan to wait almost 2 years before launching?
Something doesn't sound right about any of this. Maybe they are producing early dev kits for developers?
Something doesn't sound right about any of this. Maybe they are producing early dev kits for developers?
The Faceless Master
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McHuj
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What I found interesting in the Fab 8 press release was this line as well:
Granted that could be related to any upcoming, modern chip from IBM, but I found the mention interesting. Maybe it's nothing.
I guess the other thing being produced at Fab8 could also be a 32nm shrink of the current Xbox XCGPU. The shrink would reduce the cost of the chip as it would be really tiny now and lower the power consumption. I bet MS could then hit a $99 price point this holiday.
It could be anything, both weak or powerful depending on the power envelope MS is choosing. As little as a 7300-series, which would be ludicrous or as high as a 77/7800 series equivalent PC card.
IMO a 7750-level GPU would be a best case scenario at 32nm.
Doesn't that sound suspiciously similar to their press release for the Wii U CPU? Interesting indeed.
McHuj
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Isn't that what the article is saying? Dev kits around march, final mass production silicon at the end of the year.
The 7000 series is cutting-edge stuff, so yeah, anything with a 7 at the beginning is good news.
I'm expecting 1080p and a lot of DX11.
Sony's console is *probably* going to be more powerful simply by the fact that it will be out at a later date, granting more time for die-shrinks and other similar things.
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