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[WrenchNinja]

It really wasn't. I'd take PS3 over PS2 any day of the week. Sony were at their best when they had their back against the wall.

And it was followed by a huge crash for that same company

And it honestly wasn't. I can't think of many games on the ps2 I really want to play. I even have one (and need to get a power adapter for the ones I do want to play), but the number of games that interest me are on par or less than the the gamecube and xbox's library. And even then I still don't consider that the golden age, although I don't know which gen is.

Probably early 7th when all 5 consoles besides ps3 were doing good and before Modern Warfare blew up the market. Or 5th gen. Would disqualify the first option for a lack of japanese games had it not been for DS and PSP

It is amazing how you can be so dismissive of the PS2 library like that.

 

[Paskil]

Happy to be one of those. Can't wait to see what the future beyond 2014 holds for this system. Hope XB1 is able to pick-up some momentum

Spoiler

or maybe not so they cut the price and I can eventually buy one, sooner rather than later

. Really want DR3.

 

[Felessan]

Fair enough and they're free to buy them. Right now though at this exact second i don't see much more incentive to buy a PS4 over say an xbone. I guess it is slightly more powerful but it doesn't mean much with the current line-ups which is why i called them both mediocre.

PS4 got the yearly multiplatform games. This is already enough for many, especially for those who are tired of 8-year old graphics. Xbone got those too, but usually in worse quality and it's 100$ more.
As for exclusive games - launch always dry and uninspiring.

I think you're seriously overestimating the appeal of those titles given they're all also on PS3 as well as the state of the Japanese console industry.

Actually, we will not know about current state of Japanese console industry until PS4 will be out. There are several possible explanation why it's where it is - one of them is rise of mobile. But mobile is great in the west too (maybe not as big, but still already very big)... it haven't stopped next-gen from achieving spectacular performance.
Another possible explanation is that there were just no lucrative products for consumers (PS3 to PS2 contraction about the same in the Japan as in the world, X360 just unappealing for Japanese and WiiU is worldwide failure), and consumers chooses to buy nothing instead of something. It doesn't mean that they'll not buy something good if it'll appear.

 

[boredandlazy]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

Have you ever accidentally banned yourself for trolling?

 

[Averon]

If MS is hoping Titanfall will cure all of the XB1's ailments, then they will have a nasty surprise coming.

When has a single game ever changed a troubled console's trajectory in any meaningful way? Yes, the PS3 got a boost from MGS4, but that was also coupled with price cuts and quality 1st party games and a steady flow of 3rd party releases. No single game is going to making a meaningful amount people rushing out and buy ~$600 worth of product (console $500 + game $60 + XBL sub $40-$50) on hype alone.

Titianfall will give the XB1 a short boost for the March NPDs, and the console sales will drop again in April.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

So is it Peter Moore who will have to explain to the board of directors why EA aren't selling their new ip on the 7 million selling Sony console?

Why focus on a measily 7million when they also passed on the 80 million PS3's?

 

[velociraptor]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I don't think Sony could have asked for a better launch as far as sales go. What will be interesting is how it does once the dust settles when they are able to supply ample stock after most regions have launched.

 

[x-Lundz-x]

Why focus on a measily 7million when they also passed on the 80 million PS3's?

I never really thought about that. I can only imagine the check MS wrote was huge.

Titanfall alone won't turn the tides. I feel like if that's what they're hoping for they're doomed to failure. Maybe if they time a price cut or a kinectless SKU or something with it they could turn things around somewhat.

They have to be real careful how long they wait for. The stench of failure is hard to remove from a product and if the xbone starts struggling whilst the PS4 is selling a shit ton they will be dead in the water. Basically at a certain point there is no turning things around, that's basically where the wii U is now.

I agree, they have everything riding on this game and they put themselves in this situation. Any negative news, bad PR, resolution talk were all met with the same response.....Titanfall. We shall see just how big this game is (On Xbox One) in a month.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

I admit, I genuinely snort laughed at this lol

And I see there has been at least one comment saying PS4 has an "awful" lineup. I wonder what that means for XB since PS4 has more games out and more games announced. If it's all about the games then PS4 wins so far unless people don't count those pesky indies.

Either way, the sales are not surprising given how Sony has handled things. They are the kind of platform leader you want winning other than Nintendo. Well, not the current Nintendo.

 

[Endo Punk]

Not surprised. Best specs, Best design, Best Social, Best Plus. These days a system can have everything but steller games to be successful.

No seriously it's well deserved and I can't wait to see what Sony has in store for 2014/15 a E3.

 

[JimmyRustler]

If MS is hoping Titanfall will cure all of the XB1's ailments, then they will have a nasty surprise coming.

When has a single game ever changed a troubled console's trajectory in any meaningful way? Yes, the PS3 got a boost from MGS4, but that was also coupled with price cuts and quality 1st party games and a steady flow of 3rd party releases. No single game is going to making a meaningful amount people rushing out and buy ~$600 worth of product (console $500 + game $60 + XBL sub $40-$50) on hype alone.

Titianfall will give the XB1 a short boost for the March NPDs, and the console sales will drop again in April.

Yeah, but MGS4 was only on PS3. Titanfall is on 360 and PC as well. There is simply no reason to switch to Xbone for this game.
Titalfall will, if anything , boost 360 sales.

 

[Like the hat?]

With the sales numbers I'm glad I got one just for the fact that there are sure to be a ton of releases for it. Plus more consoles = more people buying games which hopefully = faster game price drops.

 

[Magicpaint]

Excellent sales. I'll hop on that bandwagon when the titles I want for it are released, but I'm glad to see one of the next gen platforms doing really well.

 

[Majmun]

Very impressive

 

[Dodecagon]

Have you ever accidentally banned yourself for trolling?

Hahaha

 

[The Ps4 Looks Great]

I'm not very optimistic about these numbers. The system is selling on nothing right now, I don't even comprehend why its selling so much better the xbox one other than price. Their is nothing on the ps4 that really shows off next gen, and it seems to be selling on hype alone. I'm not shitting on Sony, I'm just antsy about these numbers. I look at these first few months of sales and I don't know where all the last gen gamers are.

The WiiU doing shitty doesn't mean much, I know I'm still going to get quality games from Nintendo, but the twins were supposed to bring back the glory days of competition. I really don't want one platform controlling this gen. Both platforms need to be successful, I don't think one console can run a healthy generation.

 

[a916]

Lol ms buying respawn. Especially after what happened to rare and recently, black tusk. Let respawn stay independent so they don't make titanfall for the rest of their lives.

Anyways, great to hear. Well deserved.

They have their own choice and say in this... if they want to be bought by MS, they will allow it.

However, I don't think Vince and all spent all that time trying to own their own studio to start being owned by a publisher (EA Partners is a bit different).

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

Shit, and there really haven't been any system sellers for the machine yet. That's kinda nuts.

 

[Joni]

Why focus on a measily 7million when they also passed on the 80 million PS3's?

The people with those 7 million PS4s are much more likely to buy the game than those 80 million people with a PS3. It is much harder to sell a new game to those 80 million who still need to actively use their console (which is less than 80 million), who can't have upgraded to a better console; and who have much more choice, both in new and old games. There is a tipping point where that lower number of consoles is worth more.

 

[a916]

Here I thought 5.5 through end of March was being generous... the hype was real!

 

[chicagocubsfan]

I'm not very optimistic about these numbers. The system is selling on nothing right now, I don't even comprehend why its selling so much better the xbox one other than price. Their is nothing on the ps4 that really shows off next gen, and it seems to be selling on hype alone. I'm not shitting on Sony, I'm just antsy about these numbers. I look at these first few months of sales and I don't know where all the last gen gamers are.

The WiiU doing shitty doesn't mean much, I know I'm still going to get quality games from Nintendo, but the twins were supposed to bring back the glory days of competition. I really don't want one platform controlling this gen. Both platforms need to be successful, I don't think one console can run a healthy generation.

I don't get your concern. You are worried that it's selling on no system-selling games, don't you think that logically sales would pick up after they release?

 

[Endo Punk]

Shit, and there really haven't been any system sellers for the machine yet. That's kinda nuts.

It kinda makes me think. MS has factualy better exclusives but can't manage better sales. Despite TitanFall being a media darling I think Second Son will bump PS4 sales higher than TitanFall would do fo X1, even if TF reviews better.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I'm not very optimistic about these numbers. The system is selling on nothing right now, I don't even comprehend why its selling so much better the xbox one other than price. Their is nothing on the ps4 that really shows off next gen, and it seems to be selling on hype alone. I'm not shitting on Sony, I'm just antsy about these numbers. I look at these first few months of sales and I don't know where all the last gen gamers are.

The WiiU doing shitty doesn't mean much, I know I'm still going to get quality games from Nintendo, but the twins were supposed to bring back the glory days of competition. I really don't want one platform controlling this gen. Both platforms need to be successful, I don't think one console can run a healthy generation.

Some of it is based on appealing more towards the hardcore crowd after Microsoft's failed attempts to pretend they care about feedback. The hardcore are the ones who try and set the tone for the generation but that doesn't always pan out that way in the end. As for last gen gamers, they are moving over quickly because the XBox 360 and PS3 sales have fallen sharply. Which to me is a good thing because that generation simply lasted too long. I don't want games like Destiny and Watch Dogs to have sacrifices made because they have to appeal to last gen consoles.

 

[MrCookiepants]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

I lol'd.

 

[Averon]

Yeah, but MGS4 was only on PS3. Titanfall is on 360 and PC as well. There is simply no reason to switch to Xbone for this game.
Titalfall will, if anything , boost 360 sales.

That's a very good point which I missed. Makes MS's hope that TF will be the cure-all for the XB1 all the more foolish.

 

[SuicidalSteve]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

Please do go on...

 

[Jburton]

It kinda makes me think. MS has factualy better exclusives but can't manage better sales. Despite TitanFall being a media darling I think Second Son will bump PS4 sales higher than TitanFall would do fo X1, even if TF reviews better.

Titanfall will sell more on PC and 360, this fact alone hurts it's ability to shift X1.

 

[Steroyd]

I think you're seriously overestimating the appeal of those titles given they're all also on PS3 as well as the state of the Japanese console industry. The Wii U launched in the holiday season, and for all its problems it launched with a title that managed a first week 170K. None of those titles you listed are likely to do so, as far as I'm aware. SEGA's expectation for Ishin is a LTD of 150K.<3

One title doesn't need to sell 300k to push 300k hardware sales, it's the combination of a few titles that drives up appeal of the console, which is why I find it amusing to a degree of all hopes seemingly being pinned on one game for the next x amount of months for Xbox One.

 

[CheDominik]

I'm not very optimistic about these numbers. The system is selling on nothing right now, I don't even comprehend why its selling so much better the xbox one other than price. Their is nothing on the ps4 that really shows off next gen, and it seems to be selling on hype alone. I'm not shitting on Sony, I'm just antsy about these numbers. I look at these first few months of sales and I don't know where all the last gen gamers are.

People like new shiny toys? I would have bought one for instance if there was only Pong in 1080/60fps. . I'll never buy a console for a single game or two.(well the Show maybe...) To me it's a longterm investment and I don't get why people say wait x months to get one, because the price isn't going to go down for the forseeable future.

And let's not pretend that there are no games. I have way more games than I have time to play on my PS4.

 

[Sulik2]

This christmas for the PS4 is gonna be nuts. We could be looking at a crazy Wii supply level constraint this whole year if they are still selling at this rate. I think we are gonna be looking at it matching PS3 ltd sales in 4 years.

 

[Joni]

Titanfall will sell more on PC and 360, this fact alone hurts it's ability to shift X1.

I don't know. A new $60 IP on two platforms with a lot of choices versus a new $60 on a platform with hardly any choice.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

Re: Thread topic

This is certainly noteworthy and comparisons with other platforms in the same gen raise an eyebrow. What a contrast from last gen, huh?

As someone who finds most of their gaming time spent on Sony machines, this obviously gives me a nice cosy feeling of validation.

That said, I don't want any platform to have an overly large portion of the demographic. I want them fighting tooth and nail so I benefit from their competition.

 

[shinra-bansho]

One title doesn't need to sell 300k to push 300k hardware sales, it's the combination of a few titles that drives up appeal of the console, which is why I find it amusing to a degree of all hopes seemingly being pinned on one game for the next x amount of months for Xbox One.

You can take publisher expectations for the launch line-up as a whole, and assuming they're not a gross underestimate of demand for their games, determine that in order for the PS4 to do that sort of number it will probably need a tie ratio at launch of less than 1 game per system i.e. quite a few people buying the system only. It does come with Knack I suppose so I guess it's not an impossibility. I think the PS2 also had a launch tie ratio less than 1.

 

[The Ps4 Looks Great]

I don't get your concern. You are worried that it's selling on no system-selling games, don't you think that logically sales would pick up after they release?

Yrs of course sales will go up, but by how much. The highest selling individual sku last month was 300k. I don't think the market is growing right now, I see the hardcore of the last gen choosing who they will support throughout the gen early on. The meat of the market *casuals* I feel are still on last gen*Or being pulled away*. My concern is that without any true next gen showing, most people will just follow the herd, an E3 for example would be fantastic right now.

It's a long winded way of me saying its too early, I was even entertaining getting a gaming PC instead of a Ps4 or Xb1 because I don't see what I'm going to be missing by leaving the AAA console market. The pros of PC gaming are starting to really interest me and I never thought like that last gen.

 

[Jack_AG]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

9/10

 

[domlolz]

wow, sold so many without a single game worth the purchase yet

 

[Mass Effect]

Crazy that they've already reached 5 million before they even launched in Japan. And they're still selling everything they make. They might be at 7 million by the end of March.

It kinda makes me think. MS has factually better exclusives but can't manage better sales. Despite TitanFall being a media darling I think Second Son will bump PS4 sales higher than TitanFall would do fo X1, even if TF reviews better.

I don't think you know what that word means.

 

[Yaoibot]

This is a real shame. Sony doesn't have ANY software appealing to ME. Where is Atelier Uguugu? And how about a big JRPG franchise from Mark Cerny and based Yu Suzuki and Nobuo Uematsu? And why hasn't Guerrila Games, who sucks anyway, unveiled their new IP wrpg shooter hybrid with dating sim elements?

I saw from the Order gifs that the entire game takes place in a hallway and it's just a boring third person shooter, which is a genre nobody likes, so another fail on sony's part.

There is the Kyary Pamyu Pamyu Idolmaster Remix coming at launch. I'll pick that up along with Atelier Uguugu (Vita version with the touch-rubbing swimsuit contest DLC).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pb3IdLdIc6s

(She's actually kind of awesome and I would buy that game if it existed.)

 

[jryi]

But it must have been an incredible amount of money to keep that game out of Sony's hands? A market of 80 million+ users gone

It's not really that straightforward: there is a lot of overlap between PS3 and Xbox 360 ownerships. And regardless, shooters sell better on 360.

But this is also a reason why MS would not necessarily gain much by dropping the price of the One and pushing it aggressively to consumers, because there will be a bunch of core gamers who see the difference between different versions of the game, and I'd bet the majority of those will choose to go for PS4 version. MS wouldn't have too much to gain with price dumping.

Finally, I believe it would be better for games industry if only one console sold 100M+ than if two consoles sold 75M+, exactly because of the overlap. When one console sells more than 100M, there is a guaranteed base of 100M+ unique customers. (Oversimplification, but you understand my meaning.)

 

[Akauser]

Its funny but I think the biggest loser is Respawn. Theres no doubt they are scratching thier heads thinking why oh why did we take up MS' offer when they could've potentially had 5.3m people to sell thier game to. They bet on the wrong horse thinking PS4 wouldnt sell as well.

 

[Burbeting]

Those are great numbers, congratulations to Sony for them. Now just hoping, that we'll get great games for the machine.

 

[pompidu]

Its funny but I think the biggest loser is Respawn. Theres no doubt they are scratching thier heads thinking why oh why did we take up MS' offer when they could've potentially had 5.3m people to sell thier game to. They bet on the wrong horse thinking PS4 wouldnt sell as well.

plus the other 80million ps3s. game is over hyped anyway, its fun but not amazing.

 

[Cornbread78]

Spoiler

or maybe not so they cut the price and I can eventually buy one, sooner rather than later

. Really want DR3.

Wasn't it said around E3 time that this would be a timed exclusive and will come to PS4 at some point? I can't remember if it was CBoat, Mort that posted that, I wonder if it holds true?

Its funny but I think the biggest loser is Respawn. Theres no doubt they are scratching thier heads thinking why oh why did we take up MS' offer when they could've potentially had 5.3m people to sell thier game to. They bet on the wrong horse thinking PS4 wouldnt sell as well.

They need to take it up with EA, it's really on them for this one...

 

[Fergie]

Its funny but I think the biggest loser is Respawn. Theres no doubt they are scratching thier heads thinking why oh why did we take up MS' offer when they could've potentially had 5.3m people to sell thier game to. They bet on the wrong horse thinking PS4 wouldnt sell as well.

Wasn't it done behind their backs? They didn't know and EA went ahead with the full exclusivity for Titanfall 1.


Great numbers for Sony.

 

[Iacobellis]

Just an educated guess:

Xbone should be around 3.3 million: 3 million from 2013 and less than 340K in January 2014 ( 141K from US, and definitely less than 200k from the rest of tier one countries)

Difference 2 million units.

That's huge.

 

[0ptimusPayne]

Looks like the stock turn around time is the culprit for it not being available anywhere. Sony is stocking the system, but people are snagging them up instantly apparently.

 

[curb]

Wasn't it said around E3 time that this would be a timed exclusive and will come to PS4 at some point? I can't remember if it was CBoat, Mort that posted that, I wonder if it holds true?

I thought it was a contract deal. I think Microsoft is funding it so I doubt it will appear on any other system. Kinda like Bayonetta 2 on Wii U.

Spoiler

I could be wrong though.

 

[The Ps4 Looks Great]

I don't think you know what that word means.

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/ps4?view=detailed&sort=desc


http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/xboxone?view=detailed&sort=desc

So far Xb1

 

[Mass Effect]

Wasn't it done behind their backs? They didn't know and EA went ahead with the full exclusivity for Titanfall 1.


Great numbers for Sony.

It really makes me wonder if EA can just go ahead and do that with the future TF games without Respawn's consent or knowledge. They probably won't given that the PS4 will continue to pull ahead, but still.

It's all speculation since we don't know how the contract is set-up.

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/ps4?view=detailed&sort=desc


http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/xboxone?view=detailed&sort=desc

So far Xb1

Reviews are subjective, someone's opinion. Metacritic scores (or review scores in general) are hardly something with a factual basis.

I thought it was a contract deal. I think Microsoft is funding it so I doubt it will appear on any other system. Kinda like Bayonetta 2 on Wii U.

Spoiler

I could be wrong though.

You'd be quite wrong. Bayonetta 2 wouldn't exist without Nintendo picking it up and funding it. Titanfall would have existed regardless of what Microsoft did.