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[Owzers]

"There’s nothing else. There’s no more to dig at.”"

that just comes off shady

Let's not be hysterical.

no one is going to get that reference...

 

[hal9001]

http://www.naughtydog.com/site/post/statement_from_the_co_presidents1/

Someone should post a new thread about this. I think they deserve to have their names cleared by awful reporting from IGN.

 

[Paches]

"There’s nothing else. There’s no more to dig at.”"

that just comes off shady

Shady? Like illegal? Come on now.

Or maybe I didn't get a joke.

 

[F4r0_Atak]

Good on them for calling out IGN/Greg Miller on the unprofessional phrasing and backing up their dudes. Would still like to hear from Amy though

It was IGN/Mitch Dyer, an Xbox specialist at IGN.

 

[LiK]

She wasn't fired, she was let go...amirite?

So they don't need her for Uncharted 4 anymore?

 

[plasmawave]

Can we ban IGN now?

 

[chogidogs]

Originally Posted by chogidogs
Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann were not involved but we liked them better, soooooo...

 

[Carl]

Those trashing IGN for posting it... Please don't let me find you discussing and revelling in GAF's own insider threads in your posting history, because I hope you realise it's all the same information.

People hear things, and repeat. It's not always 100%.

A GAF insider saying they heard something is a bit different to a professional website posting such things IMO

 

[Juliet's 8½ Spirits]

ND damage control in full force

 

[Kuro]

Those trashing IGN for posting it... Please don't let me find you discussing and revelling in GAF's own insider threads in your posting history, because I hope you realise it's all the same information.

People hear things, and repeat. It's not always 100%.

I'd trust GAF insiders more than IGN.

 

[Loudninja]

Can we ban IGN now?

Nah not over 1 guy.

 

[Jonboy]

3) Will, as the IGN article said, Straley & Druckmann (or one of them) be taking over Uncharted 4?

Good point. That will probably tell us all we need to know...once we find out the answer.

 

[Hitokiri03]

Someone should post a new thread about this. I think they deserve to have their names cleared by awful reporting from IGN.

Yep

 

[Jarmel]

A GAF insider saying they heard something is a bit different to a professional website posting such things IMO

We still have no clue what happened. It's a rumor, they never stated it as fact.

 

[ReaperXL7]

It's a shame they couldn't go into any details on the matter because their post really told us nothing. I know it would be dumb on their part to actually say what happened within the studio, but being all vague about it doesn't really help matters.

See, the question I have is what makes it our business what happened? This whole situation is pretty strange to me that people feel that Naughty Dog (or any developer) owes them an explanation as to why someone from their staff was let go.

At the end of the day it's clear that they felt she was not the right fit for the studio anymore, Naughty Dog has never given me any reason to believe what they say to be bullshit.

 

[Terrell]

So you're going to believe a random rumor from IGN over the co-presidents of Naughty Dog. Nice job. For all we know Hennig went apeshit over not getting a raise or something.

It's pretty obvious SOMETHING went down. Believing IGN's account or not is irrelevant at this point. Nothing has been "cleared up", you can't replace false information with a VOID, shit doesn't work like that. All this statement does is raise even more questions than the validity of IGN's statement.

 

[Whompa]

*incredibly vague statement*

Yep that's all we need to know. Nothing else needed to look into there.

What I get from this is pushed out + Hennig agreed to stay quiet to get a hefty severance package.

Until we hear from Hennig herself that is really the only possibility. Amicable splits don't end in silence from a high profile party.

Right and IGNs hard hitting report of being "forced out" is totally not vague at all either...

 

[Respawn]

Okay IGN needs to fucking come clean and we need to get them to do this. People were out for blood with that news. What a terrible site IGN is.

 

[Carl]

We still have no clue what happened. It's a rumor, they never stated it as fact.

I didnt say they did?

 

[bigboss370]

However, we feel it necessary to clear up a very important point that was unprofessionally misreported when the story broke.

yeah no fucking shit. goddamn Mitch Dyer....

 

[LiK]

ND site is hammered. Wish OP pasted the whole thing.

 

[RoboPlato]

Site seems to be down for me. Can someone post to the full text?

BTW I'm really glad that they shot down that Druckmann and Straley were involved. Sucks Amy is gone but those two don't deserve their reputations soiled by it.

 

[Jarmel]

I didnt say they did?

Rumors are rumors, no matter what the website.

 

[shield]

ND site is hammered. Wish OP pasted the whole thing.

Here you go:

Earlier this week we had to confirm the regrettable news that Amy Hennig has left Naughty Dog. She will be missed and as we stated before we appreciate the significant contributions that she has made to Naughty Dog and the industry in general. We wish her the best.

However, we feel it necessary to clear up a very important point that was unprofessionally misreported when the story broke. Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann were NOT involved in what transpired. It was very upsetting to us that dozens of stories were run, linking back to the same hurtful accusations in the original report. As co-presidents of Naughty Dog, we are responsible for all studio affairs.

Normally, we wouldn’t respond to rumors and speculation on matters that are internal to Naughty Dog, but because the personal reputation of two of our employees is being damaged we needed to set the record straight. There is nothing left to be said on this subject. Now we’re going back to focusing on what we should – making games.

 

[SoraanTribal]

See, the question I have is what makes it our business what happened? This whole situation is pretty strange to me that people feel that Naughty Dog (or any developer) owes them an explanation as to why someone from their staff was let go.

At the end of the day it's clear that they felt she was not the right fit for the studio anymore, Naughty Dog has never given me any reason to believe what they say to be bullshit.

Oh it's really none of our business, but fans of Uncharted and Hennig (myself included) are really quite curious. And both parties are going out of their way to avoid saying what happened. I'm just a bit miffed personally because it's happening mid-development which doesn't bode well for the game (the creative director/writer leaving).

 

[LiK]

Here you go:

thanks

 

[Stark]

It's a shame they couldn't go into any details on the matter because their post really told us nothing. I know it would be dumb on their part to actually say what happened within the studio, but being all vague about it doesn't really help matters.

To be fair, they probably can't delve into matters either. That can be a breach. But it clears up the main thing about Neil & Bruce.

 

[Gorillaz]

She probably wasn't "forced out" but Uncharted which was her baby, is probably taking a back seat


IGN gonna IGN?

 

[Takamura-San]

For those asking a complete account of what happened from ND... I ask you what company has fully disclosed the departure of an employee?

Not only it never happens, but i cant imagine th legal nightmare of doing so.

This is all on IGN.

 

[semiconscious]

Although it's IGN. They only care about clicks so they probably won't say a thing...

& there you go. should be referred to as 'hits & run' journalism...

 

[Carl]

Rumors are rumors, no matter what the website.

Right... Again, i never said differently. But a guy on GAF saying "I heard this was because of something Druckman and Straley did" is a bit different to it being posted on IGN in my opinion. Such a detail should be ommitted until they have more information and can report it (even as a rumour) and be confident it's real.

Otherwise it's putting peoples reputation into disrepute.

If i was a professional journo and posted something now saying "Rumour: Greg Miller takes bribes for 10/10s" that wouldn't be okay just because i called it a rumour.

 

[StuBurns]

So Bruce and Neil aren't on UC4?

Hell yeah.

 

[Jburton]

The fact that they won't tell us anything further apart from "things change", insist on dropping the whole affair to get back to making games, say they're setting the record straight to protect their employees (and not Hennig), and having nothing nice to say about Hennig, and having not heard a message from Hennig herself, pretty much seals the deal that this wasn't an amicable departure.

Can you tell next weeks lottery numbers as well?

 

[Pound_lb003]

A GAF insider saying they heard something is a bit different to a professional website posting such things IMO

But the idea of IGN transparent with the information they're hearing is what we should be ASKING for. Not condemning.

People make a fuss, when they act as PR mouthpieces, and then when they don't they get trashed.

No, personally I am happy to hear what they've heard. If it's wrong, it's wrong - but there's obviously more to it. It wasn't a planned or amicable split.

 

[Banfield]

Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann were not involved but we liked them better, soooooo...

That happens in the real world sometimes. People get fired because someone else fits the role better, then those people move on and find new work. It's not always going to be fun for either side, but it happens. I guess I am not seeing the big deal here or maybe I didn't know this writer was so revered. Uncharted was always fun, but the stories were never anything special in my opinion.

 

[lexi]

So we complain when IGN are shills, but also complain when they report on something that doesn't suck the dick of a publisher / developer?

 

[Tripon]

Okay IGN needs to fucking come clean and we need to get them to do this. People were out for blood with that news. What a terrible site IGN is.

This is ridiculous. You want IGN to out a source because you believe the PR statement that Naughty Dogs gave out. Next you're going to tell me that Putin is right in the whole Crimea mess.

 

[Acorn]

It's pretty obvious SOMETHING went down. Believing IGN's account or not is irrelevant at this point. Nothing has been "cleared up", you can't replace false information with a VOID, shit doesn't work like that. All this statement does is raise even more questions than the validity of IGN's statement.

Companies don't comment on people leaving beyond confirming they no longer work there.

The only time they do is when lawsuits or employment tribunals are happening.

 

[Cess007]

It's pretty obvious SOMETHING went down. Believing IGN's account or not is irrelevant at this point. Nothing has been "cleared up", you can't replace false information with a VOID, shit doesn't work like that. All this statement does is raise even more questions than the validity of IGN's statement.

What they "cleared up" it was that neither Straley and/or Druckmann were involved in all this. It's the only part they wanted to clear up, and they did. Whatever happened between Amy and ND, it has nothing to do with neither of them.

I also want to know what happened, but for now, seems like they've nothing to do with that.

 

[Jarmel]

Right... Again, i never said differently. But a guy on GAF saying "I heard this was because of something Druckman and Straley did" is a bit different to it being posted on IGN in my opinion. Such a detail should be ommitted until they have more information and can report it (even as a rumour) and be confident it's real.

Otherwise it's putting peoples reputation into disrepute.

If i was a professional journo and posted something now saying "Rumour: Greg Miller takes bribes for 10/10s" that wouldn't be okay just because i called it a rumour.

If they have solid confirmation then it's not a rumor anymore.

There's also a difference between making shit up and hearing from second-hand sources how something might have gone down.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Mitch Dyer with egg on his face again. Dude just loves to double down.

 

[Vire]

Glad to see they have the balls to call IGN out on how incredibly unprofessional that article was.

Mitch Dyer is an amateur.

 

[LiK]

So Bruce and Neil aren't on UC4?

Hell yeah.

highly doubt they will be involved. Neil is busy with the TLOU movie now and Bruce isn't gonna replace the current director for UC4.

 

[Tuck]

"In what transpired"

Huh... what a weird thing to say. Really makes it sound like something big happened.

 

[Loudninja]

Rumors can be very damaging.

Juts saying it one does not make ti better.

 

[Carl]

If they have solid confirmation then it's not a rumor anymore.

There's also a difference between making shit up and hearing from second-hand sources how something might have gone down.

It's a rumour until it's confirmed.

You know what i was getting at, no need to be pedantic.

 

[RoboPlato]

So we complain when IGN are shills, but also complain when they report on something that doesn't suck the dick of a publisher / developer?

We're complaining because they insinuated that two other developers were responsible for the departure. The news story of Hennig leaving was a big enough scoop but saying she was forced out by Neil and Bruce, who have openly talked about how they look up to her, was bullshit and they should have elaborated if they had info on that part instead of just putting in vague gossip.

 

[Brad Grenz]

Ugh... You must be really naive over how big businesses handle these situations.

There is no reason to believe IGN 100% but there is almost zero reason to believe anything coming out of Sony's camp. If Hennig is not talking, that means she was contractually obligated not to, which is not a good sign.

You're aware those contracts usually go both ways? Neither may be able to say anything about what happened now. That doesn't tell us anything about the whys or wherefores of what occurred.

 

[Jonboy]

Someone should post a new thread about this. I think they deserve to have their names cleared by awful reporting from IGN.

Yep

Yeah, was hoping a mod could update the thread title. The ND statement came out right after I hit submit on this thread.

 

[Stark]

So Bruce and Neil aren't on UC4?

Hell yeah.

They'd currently be taking a break while seeing whether to go new IP or TLOU Sequel.