RedAssedApe
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Yuck. Right or wrong I really dislike how he responds. Like when they made that video about 1080p. :|
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Scott Rohde on Amy Hennig's Departure [Up: Naughty Dog responds]
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Yuck. Right or wrong I really dislike how he responds. Like when they made that video about 1080p. :|
Until they pull the accusation, or get sued, you have to think about whether or not they were telling the truth. Presidents lie.
EL CUCO
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I've said it before, Mitch is a low class turd.
It'll probably be relatively unchanged, especially if it's out within a year. Her writing was probably finalized and the gameplay director is still on the game.
Vire
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I'm not asking for him to say who his sources are, I'm asking him to back up his claims with substantial proof or facts, a run through of the string of evidence that leads him to his conclusion.
She's denied it.
Pound_lb003
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That massive (and undeniable) difference is kind of irrelevant. What they did was called journalism. And, reports don't have to be confirmed - they are titled as such. They have to be well sourced. So, honestly I implore anyone who thinks this is a bad thing, to consider what they'd actually like from IGN.
I want less marketing and more journalism.
FinalStageBoss
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I never believed it in the first place. Why would neil and bruce force her out when they werent even working on uncharted. Whatever happened, they're not going to stupidly go into detail about it so of course it's going to sound vague.
Metalingus5150
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There will always be people who believe IGN. The statement from ND won't change it sadly.
I don't believe IGN's gossip.
I don't believe IGN's gossip.
As far as I can tell the story was written by Mich Dyer (though the editor should have held him to task). I do agree though, he should never have used the phrase without a definite source or a full quote. Very much tabloid journalism.
Whether it was amicable or not isn't really the issue. People get fired/laid off/leave all the time. Sure there's a story there, but creating one without citing legitimate sources by laying the blame at the feet of a pair of co-workers is wrong. Is it true? Who knows, but you can't just say things without backing them up.
EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying he should out his sources, what I'm saying is that the responsible thing to do would have been to leave the incendiary "forced out" quote out of the story and publish the rest, while digging deeper and following up with a more fleshed out piece when he had more information.
EDIT 2: An example of good anonymous reporting. Get the facts out there, follow up when you have detailed information, multiple sources and quotes. http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/6/5474722/why-did-irrational-close-bioshock-infinite
Syphon Filter
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Could somebody put up the complete statement from ND here? The link isn't working for me
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What is their incentive for lying about Straley and Druckmann not being involved?
jediyoshi
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Perhaps I haven't been giving TMZ enough slack all these years.
EmptySpace
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my theory:
with all that's happening right now in playstation, and sony in general, they have been affected by some restructuring. canceling ssm's project, hennig getting fired, tretton stepping down, etc.
so how did neil and bruce get caught with hennig getting fired? probably because nd had to make a choice of having just one game/creative director handling two projects, so they fired hennig over druckman/straley combo, and probably straley didn't want to continue without druckman and vice versa. hennig also didn't want to go, but nd had to choose.
that's my two cents.
the fact is, hennig was fired. one of the uncharted 4 actors was upset about it as well.
with all that's happening right now in playstation, and sony in general, they have been affected by some restructuring. canceling ssm's project, hennig getting fired, tretton stepping down, etc.
so how did neil and bruce get caught with hennig getting fired? probably because nd had to make a choice of having just one game/creative director handling two projects, so they fired hennig over druckman/straley combo, and probably straley didn't want to continue without druckman and vice versa. hennig also didn't want to go, but nd had to choose.
that's my two cents.
the fact is, hennig was fired. one of the uncharted 4 actors was upset about it as well.
Lord Error
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They (co-presidents) let her go.
"As co-presidents of Naughty Dog, we are responsible for all studio affairs."
They pretty much say that without spelling it out. Was she asking for something unreasonable (which I doubt) or they didn't like how UC4 was progressing, or she didn't like something about ND anymore, or whatever else transpired, they wanted people to understand that it was them who were involved with her leaving, and not Neil and Bruce. Maybe they simply have more faith in Neil and Bruce for the upcoming games, and wanted them to be in charge of UC4, that doesn't mean that those two made requests for Amy to leave.
Kadin
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That's exactly what I thought of after seeing that. Typical 'I don't care what you think, I'm right' attitude.
At which point it wouldn't be a rumor, and could also easily out a source.
Wishmaster92
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They are important people, so yeah.
To protect the company from a wrongful termination/hostile workplace suit?
Not sure if I get the reference lol?
Hmm, well uncontrolled egos can never be good, but I doubt they got her fired. Doesn't seem right with me.
SoraanTribal
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Based on interviews and behind the scenes footage, the dialogue changes during the recording/mocap process sometimes, so I wouldn't say it is finalized. The overall story might have been complete, though. Unless they completely scrap the story and start over - we really have no idea how far into development they were (right?).
plasmawave
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She's already denied that rumor.
But of course this is Gaf, so there will be people accusing her of lying too.
It's just the nature of the allegations that fits into the current major industry talking point. A high profile female game developer is "forced out" by two overbearing men.
I have seen the accusation a few times in various comments regarding this story around the internet because people believed that Neil and Bruce pushed her out.
Jest Chillin
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I'd like for IGN to keep people's names out of the articles if their sources can't provide specific information or evidence.
If they had run the same article but kept Neil and Bruce's names out, it would still have been click bait but at least two people who did nothing wrong wouldn't have their names run through the mud thanks to "a source."
Pound_lb003
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Don't discredit journalism by the virtue (or lack thereof) of celebrity culture.
TMZ is gross, but it's journalism.
How does their statement do that?
Yeah, their site is getting hammered. I updated the OP.Could somebody put up the complete statement from ND here? The link isn't working for me
How would he do that without outing his sources? What you're asking for is not unreasonable but may not be possible. Sometimes you have to take tips from anonymous sources as they are and trust the reporter (or not).
They wouldn't want the reputation of anyone at their company tarnished, especially those in a leadership position or the public eye.
I'm not saying one way or another that IGN or ND are lying, no side here.
Journalistic material should include clarity, something clearly lacking in the original IGN article. If they can get sources that tell them she was "forced out" by two of her fellow employees, they should be able to elaborate on what "forced out" actually entails.
One director for two projects would be nuts. Quality would suffer and that person would be burnt out as hell.
My personal guess is that both TLoU2 and the new IP idea they had got greenlighted and her proposal for another game got passed over.
Changes are more due to actor improvisation than rewrites.
The last thread had people talking about only buying used. You think Naughty Dog isn't reading that thread? Joelbanderas guys?
What's the incentive for IGN to post? Is more clicks really worth irreparable damage to their relationship with one of the best devs in the industry?
Everyone is so quick to confirm the negative. I'm not saying either side is right, but something happened for IGN, corporate ballwashers, to post not only NDs response, but keep their own article up and link to it.
Everyone saying that they should have come out and said why she was fired doesn't quite understand how all this works. They are not legally allowed to say anything about why she was fired or they could be sued for a great deal of money. The only possible explanation to this anyone can get is if Amy speaks about it herself. I will probably side with the presidents of the company when they say that they were responsible for her firing.
Rogue_Ledr
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I have a feeling this one of those situation where the real story wont emerge till later.
SoraanTribal
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That's true, but not always the case. If the writer/director feels a scene isn't working, they will have to rewrite/change the dialogue.
You mean they wanted to have competent stories in their games? ZING! No really, It just seems like she and ND didn't gel anymore? That happens. Not really a story.
Their own reputation will be severely tarnished if Straley and Druckman were behind it all and evidence of that emerges.
Either Staley and Druckman weren't involved, or the co-presidents of ND are telling a blatant lie that risks permanently damaging their reputation.
Shin-Ra
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Oh god not him again.
Pretty sure he posted something else stupid at the time too.
1million times this
megabytecr
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So much use of the word transpired, I am now thinking of transpiration. Either way this smells bad, I just hope Amy finds a good home. C´mon Reggie, now give that lady a call!!!
"contractually obligated not to"
What if she decides to speak out, what will they do, fire her a 2nd time?
Sorry but this is looking more like Amy was the guilty party and for me the silence proves that. Fired employees stay silent as its a great source of embarrassment and companies stay quiet unless they are totally vindictive and wish to harm any future job prospects.
Hell, a former colleague of mine was fired for embezzling over 25,000. No cops, no contact and everyone else was told to remain silent
Someone reported that Straley and Druckmann forced an employee out (possible fodder for a wrongful/harassment suit) and they responded in their statement that "Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann were NOT involved in what transpired."
Chances are all this stuff is wrapped up in an NDA sandwich, but then if this kind of stuff gets reported too often and not responded to, then ND gains a "public reputation" for this kind of stuff and it can bite them years down the road if Hennig or a future employee wants to make hay.
Yeah but that's more on the scene director as well as the writer and creative director. There are still ancillary writers there and the cutscene director hasn't changed.
They can't exactly let their two remaining high profile figures - figures ND apparently, to some degree, picked over Hennig - be caught up in being seen as instrumental in getting one of the most talented and celebrated females working in the industry fired.
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