UntoldDreams
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And that's how you lose an argument on the internet...
Actually I believe that is "gobsmacked to the point of not knowing how to respond".
And that's how you lose an argument on the internet...
The whole industry needs to grow up. This kind of stuff is business as usual across many other industries.
Disagreements between employees happen. Reporters getting bad information happens. Reporters getting good information that companies don't necessarily want getting out...also happens.
We can only deal with what we know to be fact and draw our own conclusions from that. When you have two extremes like this, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I'm not going to speculate because this thread alone shows the type of outlandish conclusions you can come to.
All we know for sure is Hennig is gone and not because she wanted to be. Maybe "forced out" isn't the politically correct way of saying, but it's essentially the same thing as being fired or asked to leave. The reasons for that firing make all the difference in terms of how we would view the situation; unfortunately, it's not something we as consumers have any "right" to know. We'd all love to know, no doubt...but we shouldn't. And we likely never will. Naughty Dog made a decision to move on and she's gone. If you like them both, it freaking sucks. But there's nothing stopping you from supporting both parties in the future.
Edit: And make no mistake, this isn't the end of this. Naughty Dog has called IGN out by explicitly referring to their report as "unprofessionally misreported." Dyer and IGN's name is now on the line. As much as folks like to hate on IGN, they're the biggest video game site on the net and they know how closely folks are watching this story. I would expect them to do one of two things: 1) Double-down on their original story and further explain/solidify what they meant and how sure they are of their source OR 2) Issue an apology to Naughty Dog, Straley and Druckmann.
There were 700 people fired from Disney that really isn't getting enough attention.
It was about a former coworker with cancer. She may have just been looking through his tweets to see if he said anything else about the situation with her and clicked retweet on the link because of the cause.
And that's how you lose an argument on the internet...
Well, all you've done is dismiss the prospect out of hand with no backing. For as little backing proponents of the "theory" have, you have less.
But the consensus forming now is correct. This thread needs to die, and soon. I will be excusing myself from it at this point in time.
Actually I believe that is "grossed out to the point of not knowing how to respond".
Sorry but that tweet is complete bullshit as evidence. The fact that she left before UC4 was released is evidence enough that she did not leave on the best terms,
This is just sad, hard to believe Amy Henning isn't on ND anymore. I wish she finds a place at another great studio, pretty much any studio would benefit from having someone as talented as her.
Whatever Uncharted 4 ends up being, it will have to really impress or this will comeback and bite them. Personally I think the shortcomings of the series were pretty much all on the gameplay department. I challenge Naughty Dog to limit Nathan Drake to a Body count of 10 enemies per game, I'm sure gameplay would have to improve a lot for something like this to work.
Maybe she was planning on jumping ship to another developer and Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann found out about it through developer friends and tattled on her to the studio heads?
Lots of developers have been changing companies lately. Remember even Naughty Dog have picked up a few ex-Microsoft people in the last year.
It's easy to say that, but when the person involved is a large part of what makes Uncharted what it is today, it's not hard to see why people are incensed about the topic.
It's the equivalent of some prized director leaving his or her long established pet project behind. Do hundreds of people work on the Uncharted series? Of course, but many would argue the story is the most important aspect to the franchise. This isn't just normal procedure.
EDIT: On the same wavelength.
Why does there have to be a passive aggressive subtext to her retweeting what could have been the first/latest mention of Brandon Boyer's cancer treatment crowd funding on her feed? Boyer having cancer is unfortunate and Hennig using a tweet to hint at rumours relating to herself as you've suggested would be incredibly selfish.Fair enough but I'm sure she's more than smart enough to know what type of implications and reactions would come by retweeting something from him.
Post like this make It seem as Henning was a one person studio. Her writing was nothing special imo. Was fun Indiana Jones clone type story. The whole package is what made those games great.
Story atmosphere the amazing set pieces ect. Tons of very talented people worked on those games. Hell if It was all Henning and everything else was trash just watch youtube clips of the cutscenes. Promise without all the other parts that make the whole, they wont be the greatest thing ever written in the history of our dimension.
What's going on is none of my business, but seeing the credits for the Uncharted series,
1) I was surprised that Mark Cerny was a producer and designer of the first game. Neil Druckman was also a designer.
2) The second game, Bruce Strally was co-director.
3) The third game, both Druckman and Strally wasn't involved because they were working on tLoU.
4) The third Uncharted was considered a disappointment.
I'm not suggesting anything but that's interesting to note.
To make it precise...
But believe what you want. You are already doing it.
Fair enough but I'm sure she's more than smart enough to know what type of implications and reactions would come by retweeting something from him.
Well, all you've done is dismiss the prospect out of hand with no backing. For as little backing proponents of the "theory" have, you have less.
But the consensus forming now is correct. This thread needs to die, and soon. I will be excusing myself from it at this point in time.
HA. I guess since you've already staked out the moral high ground and can comfortably look down your nose at everyone else, there's just nothing left to say. Waiting for the lock...
(this time I'm leaving the thread for real)
But the consensus forming now is correct. This thread needs to die, and soon. I will be excusing myself from it at this point in time
4) The third Uncharted was considered a disappointment.
Speculations!
You know what's not okay is spreading an unsubstantiated rumor. Websites picking up the story are leaving in that she was "forced out". That is unfair to the parties involved and it hurts their reputation. There's no reason that we know of to believe that part is true. Amy isn't coming out and saying that's what happened -- so why are we validating it for her?
Edit: Oops. Didn't mean to reply to you. lol
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03...people-change-business-changes-things-changea
Update:
Official statement from Naughty Dog Co-Presidents Evan Wells and Christopher Balestra here: http://www.naughtydog.com/site/post/statement_from_the_co_presidents1/
Someone wanted to start a fire...and it worked...shame really. Gross actually.
Speculations!
Mass Effect 3 thread over there ->
As are the fucktards who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on. Maybe Amy will want to comment down the track but until then everythong posted is speculation and wildly inaccurate.I see the "Naughty Gods" defense force is out in full force. This has to be one of the most embarrassing threads I've read in a while. Corporate apologists are the worst.
Yeah, I covered that one already
As are the fucktards who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on. Maybe Amy will want to comment down the track but until then everythong posted is speculation and wildly inaccurate.
So get back in your box.
My point is, ND wasn't bashful about letting a very important person go from Uncharted 4. Perhaps they feel they can move on without her.By people on GAF. It sold very well and has a great critical reputation @ 92 on Metacritic, though shy of UC2's 96. Uncharted 3 was a very good game.
I see the "Naughty Gods" defense force is out in full force. This has to be one of the most embarrassing threads I've read in a while. Corporate apologists are the worst.
As are the fucktards who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on. Maybe Amy will want to comment down the track but until then everythong posted is speculation and wildly inaccurate.
So get back in your box.
What's going on is none of my business, but seeing the credits for the Uncharted series,
1) I was surprised that Mark Cerny was a producer and designer of the first game. Neil Druckman was also a designer.
2) The second game, Bruce Strally was co-director.
3) The third game, both Druckman and Strally wasn't involved because they were working on tLoU.
4) The third Uncharted was considered a disappointment.
I'm not suggesting anything but that's interesting to note.
By people on GAF. It sold very well and has a great critical reputation @ 92 on Metacritic, though shy of UC2's 96. Uncharted 3 was a very good game.
"Fucktards"Gopher needs a tag now
As are the fucktards who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on. Maybe Amy will want to comment down the track but until then everythong posted is speculation and wildly inaccurate.
So get back in your box.
I see the "Naughty Gods" defense force is out in full force. This has to be one of the most embarrassing threads I've read in a while. Corporate apologists are the worst.
"Theres nothing else. Theres no more to dig at."
that just comes off shady
I see the "Naughty Gods" defense force is out in full force. This has to be one of the most embarrassing threads I've read in a while. Corporate apologists are the worst.
What's going on is none of my business, but seeing the credits for the Uncharted series,
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4) The third Uncharted was considered a disappointment.
I'm not suggesting anything but that's interesting to note.
As are the fucktards who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on. Maybe Amy will want to comment down the track but until then everythong posted is speculation and wildly inaccurate.
So get back in your box.
Gopher needs a tag now
I'm not blaming on her. I'm implying Druckmand and Strally was working on the first two. Seeing how the first two UC games were great, and TLOU turned out great, just wondering if ND is handing over the UC franchise to them.Well amy was basically asked to write a story around the levels the design team already made/planned. I doubt she was writing an uncharted 3 story the way she really wanted it to be written.
Unfair to blame U3s failures all on her. The worst part of U3 to me was level design and gameplay issues it had. Which I would think has nothing to do with amy.
It is kind of odd that she would re-tweet from that person and follow them after them writing a article that holds no truth and tarnishing the reputation of two current employees
who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on.
I'm not blaming on her. I'm implying Druckmand and Strally was working on the first two. Seeing how the first two UC games were great, and TLOU turned out great, just wondering if ND is handing over the UC franchise to them.