UntoldDreams
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Actually I believe that is "gobsmacked to the point of not knowing how to respond".
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Scott Rohde on Amy Hennig's Departure [Up: Naughty Dog responds]
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Actually I believe that is "gobsmacked to the point of not knowing how to respond".
Absolute this^. Should websites be running with this damaging rumor when their is no evidence backing it up? A "reliable source" saying something is true isn't a line of defense for damaging a company's reputation or the personal reputation of Straley and Druckman. It's very disappointing that they chose to run with this story and put that out there, knowing it was unsubstantiated. They should absolutely apologize for putting it out there.
Look at some of the reactions in the last thread or even here. People speculating and jumping to conclusions -- most of which boils down to having a more negative view of those involved and Naughty Dog.
Can I also add how ridiculously big people are blowing this out of proportion. There were 700 people fired from Disney that really isn't getting enough attention.
reptilescorpio
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They didn't make Uncharted though.
Fair enough but I'm sure she's more than smart enough to know what type of implications and reactions would come by retweeting something from him.
TheBaronOfNA
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To make it precise...
But believe what you want. You are already doing it.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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What's going on is none of my business, but seeing the credits for the Uncharted series,
1) I was surprised that Mark Cerny was a producer and designer of the first game. Neil Druckman was also a designer.
2) The second game, Bruce Strally was co-director.
3) The third game, both Druckman and Strally wasn't involved because they were working on tLoU.
4) The third Uncharted was considered a disappointment.
I'm not suggesting anything but that's interesting to note.
1) I was surprised that Mark Cerny was a producer and designer of the first game. Neil Druckman was also a designer.
2) The second game, Bruce Strally was co-director.
3) The third game, both Druckman and Strally wasn't involved because they were working on tLoU.
4) The third Uncharted was considered a disappointment.
I'm not suggesting anything but that's interesting to note.
bigboss370
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no its not even that. The creative director (or is it lead writer?) for Destiny left as well, and that game isn't out yet.
Post like this make It seem as Henning was a one person studio. Her writing was nothing special imo. Was fun Indiana Jones clone type story. The whole package is what made those games great.
Story atmosphere the amazing set pieces ect. Tons of very talented people worked on those games. Hell if It was all Henning and everything else was trash just watch youtube clips of the cutscenes. Promise without all the other parts that make the whole, they wont be the greatest thing ever written in the history of our dimension.
That doesn't happen to high profile directors mid-project though. If she were leaving, she would have have communicated with her higher ups. She's not some minimum-wage file-clerk, if you're a high-profile high-status individual it's almost a problem if you're not being recruited by people on the outside.
It's easy to say that, but when the person involved is a large part of what makes Uncharted what it is today, it's not hard to see why people are incensed about the topic.
It's the equivalent of some prized director leaving his or her long established pet project behind. Do hundreds of people work on the Uncharted series? Of course, but many would argue the story is the most important aspect to the franchise. This isn't just normal procedure.
EDIT: On the same wavelength.
Sure, I don't dispute that. However, who's to say that the end product will be any worse? or better? No one person has a monopoly on good ideas. A lot of times the best ideas come from people bouncing stuff off of one another. Judging from Naughty Dog's past output, not one single person "makes the game". It takes a truly talented team of individuals to make it better than the sum of its parts. Who's to say that there aren't any other good story writers on the team? Even if there aren't (which I highly doubt), they can hire someone else.
This is not to disparage Amy and her work - she's great. But change happens, and in the long run, change can and often lead to something better, different, and new.
Why does there have to be a passive aggressive subtext to her retweeting what could have been the first/latest mention of Brandon Boyer's cancer treatment crowd funding on her feed? Boyer having cancer is unfortunate and Hennig using a tweet to hint at rumours relating to herself as you've suggested would be incredibly selfish.
If you respect Hennig you should think she wouldn't do such a thing. Come on.
Also worth noting the Like to dislike ratio of Uncharted 3 on Neogaf before Amy got fired and then after she got fired.
reptilescorpio
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Cerny has been consulting on Naughty Dog and Insomniac games since the PSOne days due to their involvement with Universal Interactive.
He is involved with the ICE team, which is kinda part of Naughty Dog, who are involved in a lot of the 1st party stuff for Sony.
prag16
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HA. I guess since you've already staked out the moral high ground and can comfortably look down your nose at everyone else, there's just nothing left to say. Waiting for the lock...
(this time I'm leaving the thread for real)
True but that's the sort of thing where you might not think ahead. I've done it myself on Twitter.
LookAtMeGo
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Speculations!
TheBaronOfNA
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I don't think you know how Occam's razor actually works...
Dude, what?
"Iám" the one taking the moral high ground when you post this:
I really don't know what to say to you without sounding like an asshole...
Vire
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I think it simply comes down to, who do you want to believe? IGN? Naughty Dog themselves? Or somewhere in between.
You can draw your own conclusions, but there is no definite answer. Especially with the little facts that we do have. I'd like to think Bruce and Neil had nothing to do with this and Evan Wells/Christophe wouldn't lie to the community, so I'll go with that and bury the hatchet.
Here's hoping that Uncharted 4 remains great and Amy continues doing great work...
You can draw your own conclusions, but there is no definite answer. Especially with the little facts that we do have. I'd like to think Bruce and Neil had nothing to do with this and Evan Wells/Christophe wouldn't lie to the community, so I'll go with that and bury the hatchet.
Here's hoping that Uncharted 4 remains great and Amy continues doing great work...
By people on GAF. It sold very well and has a great critical reputation @ 92 on Metacritic, though shy of UC2's 96. Uncharted 3 was a very good game.
Lots of them...for everyone!
Hahaha I was going to ask why you quoted me.
You are right though - speculation is harmful. It might be that one of the parties or both were in the wrong; it might also be that both were in the right but unable to resolve creative differences.
There doesn't have to be a villain here, there also might be, but it is reckless to single out anyone when the reality of the situation is probably not something we will ever know (or need to know).
This is why i tend to stay quite until more "facts" come out...so many people were calling them cunts, assholes,etc you name it...all sorts of name calling going on in the other thread but yet no one really had any proof nor really know what she is like or what goes on behind closed doors. I just think being hasty with the mouth can be a real mean thing imho....i love peeps with a humbled mind and mouth
Mass Effect 3 thread over there ->
As are the fucktards who make comment with no knowledge or understanding of Amy, Neil, Bruce or anyone else's thoughts, feelings or sensibilities in any of this. The matter is closed not because something is being hidden, but it is entirely inappropriate to comment on. Maybe Amy will want to comment down the track but until then everythong posted is speculation and wildly inaccurate.
So get back in your box.
LookAtMeGo
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Being forced out because of someone is different than being forced out by someone. This is where i think Mitch may have got it wrong.
Yeah, I covered that one already
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TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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My point is, ND wasn't bashful about letting a very important person go from Uncharted 4. Perhaps they feel they can move on without her.
I don't know. It's just a strange turn of events and not a good sign when a creator or director is pushed out in the middle of development.
I'm not suggesting this is the same thing, but Pixar and Brave had a similar incident, right?
Oh noobasuar
This is one of the best smack downs I've seen in the history of GAF.
UnObtainium17
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Well amy was basically asked to write a story around the levels the design team already made/planned. I doubt she was writing an uncharted 3 story the way she really wanted it to be written.
Unfair to blame U3s failures all on her. The worst part of U3 to me was level design and gameplay issues it had. Which I would think has nothing to do with amy.
Mr. PlayStation
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LookAtMeGo
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"Fucktards"
TheBaronOfNA
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This.
C'mon son
Maninthemirror
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You are trying to find something that just isnt there
Crimson_Gold
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This thread is amazing on so many levels.
I want to say that it all came down to creative differences, but we won't find out for some time. The speculation is hilarious though
I want to say that it all came down to creative differences, but we won't find out for some time. The speculation is hilarious though
okay.
sono
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The 3rd uncharted scored 92 on metacritic from 97 reviews. That is a score a lot of people would dream of for their games.
Night Angel
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boredandlazy
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Noobasuar needs a new one too. "Get back in your box".
Anyway, one question about all this. Why is it any of our business? Sure it's usually nice to know what's going on, but people deserve some privacy.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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I'm not blaming on her. I'm implying Druckmand and Strally was working on the first two. Seeing how the first two UC games were great, and TLOU turned out great, just wondering if ND is handing over the UC franchise to them.
TheBaronOfNA
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hah you butchered their names.
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