Animations, hacking, atmosphere, ambience, lighting, how busy the city was and the incredible graphics were what was so great about it. It was looking like a true next generation of open world games and they downgraded not only the saders and lighting.
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Watch_Dogs downgradeaton confirmed
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Animations, hacking, atmosphere, ambience, lighting, how busy the city was and the incredible graphics were what was so great about it. It was looking like a true next generation of open world games and they downgraded not only the saders and lighting.
BurnOutBrighter
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Revisiting the reveal thread for Watch Dogs... oh, we were so optimistic!
You're being stupid now. Just for you again:
Ubisoft said: Watch Dogs' graphics haven't been downgraded but if anything upgraded since the E3 2012 reveal, especially on next-gen.
It's not us making this comparison, it's Ubisoft themselves. They are the ones claiming PS4 > E3 2012!
knerlington
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For fuck sake. You DON'T know that. Remember how pissed off people were when they released that horrible trailer using Wii U footage? People were pissed of because they thought it was next-gen. If it looks like shit it's most certainly because it's the ps360/wii u version. We all know (should know) by know that PS4 is indeed on par with a high end pc-version of currently released games. If not shadow fall speaks for itself. It won't be that much different from a pc running it in the same resolution. Don't take the hardware argument any further now. That's not the point. The point is that people are so fucking fast at jumping to conclusions. Time will tell. Leave it at that.
New Jimquisition episode is up: A Vertical Slice Of Steaming Bullshots
Harlock
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Rumor that the PS4 version was downgraded to look similar to Xbox One:
http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/03/ubisofts-deceptive-watch_dogs-downgrade-was-leaked-last-september/
http://furiousfanboys.com/2014/03/ubisofts-deceptive-watch_dogs-downgrade-was-leaked-last-september/
scoobs
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Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me, don't believe that for one second.
There's no way that's true. The backlash alone from a leaked confirmation would hurt the Xbox brand and whoever agreed. No one wins.
Infinite Xero
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That wouldn't really make sense for Watch Dogs since Sony has some kinda exclusivity deal with Ubisoft for this game. If anything, I would think they would try to make the PS4 version the best looking on consoles.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
People getting mad for this = people providing potential customers more information.
Doesn't Microsoft have a parity clause in their contracts with third parties?
this rumour has been thoroughly debunked by the huge number of games that have had pretty major differences between PS4 and xbone versions. if MS had paid studios off they would have done it for COD or BF4 (at least), not for watch_dogs.
watchdogs reveal show a game that looked beyond anything i've ever seen. No doubt it was running on a beefed up rig.
This new stuff looks exactly like something from infamous 2, so its definitely a downgrade. But i always had a feeling that the graphics wouldnt live up to the reveal
This new stuff looks exactly like something from infamous 2, so its definitely a downgrade. But i always had a feeling that the graphics wouldnt live up to the reveal
Yeah, well, misterxmedia says that Sony is paying Ubi to make the One version inferior.
Who do I BELIEVE!!!?????
Neither, is the answer.
No offence, but news from a site called "furious fan boys" seems about as trustworthy as an installer I get from a web ad that is supplied by "safe installer"
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
That's for features like DLC etc. Not graphics.
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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Bwahahaha, what?
This commercial they just released looks a hell of a lot better than the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvCUktx9Cuo
I don't know how to embed videos so there's the link. It almost looks like they just focused on the lighting to show that it is still there. Overall this looks much better, and more on par with the E3 2013 version of the game than the new trailer. I don't know why they would have chosen such bad video for the release date, but this shows it in a much better light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvCUktx9Cuo
I don't know how to embed videos so there's the link. It almost looks like they just focused on the lighting to show that it is still there. Overall this looks much better, and more on par with the E3 2013 version of the game than the new trailer. I don't know why they would have chosen such bad video for the release date, but this shows it in a much better light.
funkystudent
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That trailer confirms another downgrade at the end.
The lovely bumpy parallax mapped brickwork on the streets from the old videos have been dropped in favour of a flat texture.
It's still normal mapped, just the extreme angle makes it harder to see.
I didn't even catch that, but yeah that's actually pretty noticeable now that you bring it up. It doesn't look as flat during the motorcycle scene though, only when the cops hit it you can really see the flatness. I wonder what's up with that. I think it does look better than last week.
RadioactiveLobster
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"Gameplay edited outside of PS4 System"
Could mean simply "We edited the video on a PC/Mac because that's how video editing works" or could mean "Gameplay in this trailer is not from the PS4 but some other source and was edited to look like PS4 gameplay"
I am leaning towards the former because I don't think Sony would do that but you never know.
Possibly meaning that they didn't use the PS4 editing suite to capture it. That sounds about right. Since it is a commercial about sharing, they may want to make sure that someone doesn't believe they can actually edit different clips together like that.
RedAssedApe
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Is this new footage? Looks better (to me) than the footage people are complaining about. And yeah I understood the disclaimer to simply mean that gameplay was from the PS4 version and can be shared but the editing was done externally from the PS4.
Betta Lines
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Still no rain. But at least the low sun is back, eh?
Yeah still look pretty last gen. It's missing most of the environmental effect like wind and all that.
New footage is still very, very soft and doesn't look like native 1080P. I'm going to laugh when we find out it's not.
Youtube compression sucks, but throw it into 1080P full screen and compare it to the Destiny trailer, or others. It's a very blury mess in comparison.
I'm getting memories of GTA4 PS3....
Youtube compression sucks, but throw it into 1080P full screen and compare it to the Destiny trailer, or others. It's a very blury mess in comparison.
I'm getting memories of GTA4 PS3....
This is good news, I am expecting much of PC version that we never saw in public ever since E2 2012.
Many people confuse technical quality with the position of the sun and how wet streets are.
AlwaysPlaying
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Way to drop the ball. Now ps4 really hasnt got crap to use for ammo. What a shitty way for "next gen" console to go.
Funchameleon
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Passive-aggressive mocking post structure: Hint: They're going to treat the player car (the one the player is actually in) differently and offer it higher LODs/swap less because it is the subject and under a lot more scrutiny.
maneil99
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What do you meam "ammo"
I've read this 3 times and still have no clue what you are meaning.
bigboss370
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Is there anything else (full priced retail PS4 games) coming out in May?
perfectchaos007
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Its a shame the game took such a downgrade in lighting and textures over the past 2 years. Maybe it spent too much time in the oven...time to put the game back in the oven.
Wolfenstein New Order launches a few days earlier.
Pop
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Are you trying to imply, Sony still has no games? Cause if so, you're missing another AAA game coming in a couple of months and you can't expect a new AAA every month.
TheRealTalker
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I understand why people are upset about the overall downgrade in WD
I for one am not angry about the situation but I do semi understand why and believe it is justified.
Some people assume that certain individuals are angry about the lack of awe stunning graphics that WD has resulted in prior to the graphical spectacle it was in the past....
In reality though these individuals are angered by the fact that the previous footage in which they looked at and eventually became inwrapped in (believing it was what they where going to receive at the games launch) was mostly but a lie
Granted this is not a argument if the PS4, etc... could run the said game as that is another argument entirely but rather the fact that people became invested into this game having not only the semi unique gameplay as a selling point but the sheer beauty of the game as well....
These exact people wouldn't mind if Ubi showed off their game from the beginning as the footage that we are seeing now until its said release.... Seeing at it is a cross-gen game these visual would be expected if Ubi showcased it as a tidied up version of a last gen port with extra effects (an example being AC4)
But instead they showed this game off as a a graphical beauty with a semi unique gameplay to boot... A step towards what a consumer should expect when going next-gen.
They advertised their game in press events using their old footage... sometimes claiming that this is what user should expect when it releases on their said platform (in this case the PS4)
Maybe they felt pressure from other graphical behemoths... Or maybe they actually believed that they could of used that said engine on those next-gen devices (and PC) but certain financial situations and delays/deadlines proved hazardous in reaching that goal.
We may never know... but if the former is semi correct and they had planed on using the last gen engine from the very beginning then most angered individuals have a right to stay angry....
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Some people say that people do it all the time and that there is no reason to be angry about the situation.... but still Ubi had many ways to go through this situation
A games journey to its launch is usually long process.... The devs show off the game usually some CG trailers too, gameplay is later shown, and more consumers jump aboard to its said release....
People form hype threads... usually gifs are formed and as we are human beings we become engrossed in whatever visuals or footage that we deem as spectacular and interesting... either it is is the graphics, the art style or the mechanics/gameplay
Humans forget things easily and also wish to see competition.... if we see something from a said game that is deemed in our minds as spectacular then we place are expectations higher and wait for something else to overcome that said spectacle.... not the opposite (downgrades)
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Now imagine this
Certain devs showcase their game to consumers as an alpha build on a said platform that may or may not improve upon release (but does not decline in overall quality)
VS
Certain devs that showcase a high quality build of their said game only to drastically decrease its overall quality when reaching its release
Which of the two would consumers favour?
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The Graphics are not the problem here but the way Ubi presented the game in the first place.
Consumers want trust before they invest in something and that said trust was tarnished with WD
There is no problem in showing off your game as a alpha build and/or non graphical showcase and improving upon it... there is no problem if your game isn't a major eye candy...
Is it a benefit? Absolutely!
Is it required to sell a said game? Absolutely not!
Desinty isn't a graphical powerhouse but people are still excited about it.... People where excited about WD but after this downgrade they lost that said trust
If the game suffered graphically and/or if the games previous graphics where a lie... then what else from their said game may be a lie too?
The TRUST is gone!
That is what people are angry about
I for one am not angry about the situation but I do semi understand why and believe it is justified.
Some people assume that certain individuals are angry about the lack of awe stunning graphics that WD has resulted in prior to the graphical spectacle it was in the past....
In reality though these individuals are angered by the fact that the previous footage in which they looked at and eventually became inwrapped in (believing it was what they where going to receive at the games launch) was mostly but a lie
Granted this is not a argument if the PS4, etc... could run the said game as that is another argument entirely but rather the fact that people became invested into this game having not only the semi unique gameplay as a selling point but the sheer beauty of the game as well....
These exact people wouldn't mind if Ubi showed off their game from the beginning as the footage that we are seeing now until its said release.... Seeing at it is a cross-gen game these visual would be expected if Ubi showcased it as a tidied up version of a last gen port with extra effects (an example being AC4)
But instead they showed this game off as a a graphical beauty with a semi unique gameplay to boot... A step towards what a consumer should expect when going next-gen.
They advertised their game in press events using their old footage... sometimes claiming that this is what user should expect when it releases on their said platform (in this case the PS4)
Maybe they felt pressure from other graphical behemoths... Or maybe they actually believed that they could of used that said engine on those next-gen devices (and PC) but certain financial situations and delays/deadlines proved hazardous in reaching that goal.
We may never know... but if the former is semi correct and they had planed on using the last gen engine from the very beginning then most angered individuals have a right to stay angry....
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Some people say that people do it all the time and that there is no reason to be angry about the situation.... but still Ubi had many ways to go through this situation
A games journey to its launch is usually long process.... The devs show off the game usually some CG trailers too, gameplay is later shown, and more consumers jump aboard to its said release....
People form hype threads... usually gifs are formed and as we are human beings we become engrossed in whatever visuals or footage that we deem as spectacular and interesting... either it is is the graphics, the art style or the mechanics/gameplay
Humans forget things easily and also wish to see competition.... if we see something from a said game that is deemed in our minds as spectacular then we place are expectations higher and wait for something else to overcome that said spectacle.... not the opposite (downgrades)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now imagine this
Certain devs showcase their game to consumers as an alpha build on a said platform that may or may not improve upon release (but does not decline in overall quality)
VS
Certain devs that showcase a high quality build of their said game only to drastically decrease its overall quality when reaching its release
Which of the two would consumers favour?
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The Graphics are not the problem here but the way Ubi presented the game in the first place.
Consumers want trust before they invest in something and that said trust was tarnished with WD
There is no problem in showing off your game as a alpha build and/or non graphical showcase and improving upon it... there is no problem if your game isn't a major eye candy...
Is it a benefit? Absolutely!
Is it required to sell a said game? Absolutely not!
Desinty isn't a graphical powerhouse but people are still excited about it.... People where excited about WD but after this downgrade they lost that said trust
If the game suffered graphically and/or if the games previous graphics where a lie... then what else from their said game may be a lie too?
The TRUST is gone!
That is what people are angry about
Agree with everything you've said, and the quoted part in particular.
Definitive Edition for PC confirmed?
If you have the rig, I'm sure there's little doubt it'll be the best-looking version.
Betta Lines
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Well I'm not sure what is 'technically' lacking from the recent footage compared to the original footage, but I've always suggested that it could be related to time of day and weather conditions - and indeed there are already people saying that this new trailer looks better than the other recent footage, and the only difference I can see is the position of the sun.
I'm looking again at the 2012 footage, that seamless blend to gameplay where you first see him walk down the street before crossing the road to the club. It was a wow moment for sure. But if you break down the impressive features of note:
- Bokeh
- 'God rays'
- Soft shadows moving in wind
- HDR (not sure that's the right term, I'm referring to the bright reflection of the sun off the road)
- normal-mapped textures
- steam coming from the road, blown by wind
- other objects (e.g. cups/cans) blown by wind
- trees blowing in wind
Which of these features have I seen in the recent footage? All of them, except for the steam coming out of the road.
So how come all this new stuff doesn't look as good to people? It could be a downgrade (beyond the understandable IQ differences, considering that was PC footage originally), or it could be simply because that intro shot was perfectly set up to deliver the wow. The bokeh blend to focus was a great start - it really sold the scene immediately - not something you'd normally get walking down the street in gameplay but something the engine is clearly capable of doing for cinematic effect. The sun was lined up perfectly in front of the camera to bounce a reflection off the pavement and show lots of long, soft shadows, and the wind was blowing just the right amount to make the tree create some flickering god rays. Then the stuff blows across the road moments later, etc etc. There was a lot of density of features that all added to the visual impact. But I have seen all these things in recent footage, aside from the steam coming out of the road (although I wouldn't be surprised if that has been in there somewhere and I've not noticed it yet).
I don't get what I'm looking at here. How does the second scene look worse than the first? I'm not trying to be cynical. All I see is they made the helicopter spotlight a LOT more realistic and reduced the saturation of everything...
Or is the first scene supposed to look worse? I cant tell with you guys! Stop worrying about it!
Or is the first scene supposed to look worse? I cant tell with you guys! Stop worrying about it!
N7Commander95
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That's Jeremy Conrad's site isn't it? Gotta love that objectivity
plagiarize
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This new trailer looks soft compared to the 2013 YouTube footage still. I'm still concerned about what resolution this is running at.
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