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[CassidyIzABeast]

I hope he's telling the truth because posing as a ND employee just to shit on Corrine Yu seems like a waste of a gaf account.

 

[Bundy]

It's interesting how reputations develop, she's been called things like 'the female Carmack' for years and years, I remember thinking it was strange so many people made a big deal about her going to the Halo team, considering she'd been at Gearbox, and they've never made a technically impressive game at all, and they didn't develop their own engine. Her adulation always seemed unwarranted, but Halo 4 was by far the most impressive game to run on the 360.

Maybe she is incompetent, but she's gained her reputation somehow, and Halo 4 certainly delivered.

"Maybe she is incompetent"? She is one person.
A dev team is about 100+ employees big. You can be the smartest person in the world, but if the whole team is average/crap, your game won't look like the greatest thing ever.

 

[SolidSnakex]

She certainly took credit for those things. Ask the people who actually did those things and you will get a different answer.

MS is the one that reportedly filed that patent for her work, and she later received this

https://twitter.com/Corrinne/status/266306417483472897

So, if she really didn't do shit at MS, as your quote tries to claim is the case, then why the hell would they credit her for that lighting technique?

 

[TTP]

This quote doesn't show up ANYWHERE with the source as Microsoft.

Try again.

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A few weeks later, a Microsoft spokesperson issues a statement to IGN detailing and clarifying Yu's role in previous Halo projects:

“While we consider Corrinne Yu a part of our founding family and can’t wait to see where her talent takes her in her new role, we wanted to clarify a repeated misconception, most recently on an IGN podcast. Corrinne worked on a branch of our tools team and did not in fact work on either the Halo 4 or Halo 5 engine or graphics at all. Our current tools team will surely miss her enviable intellect, but we felt it fair to both her and 343 Industries to ensure that the nature of her contributions was not being misrepresented.”

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Straight from Corrinne Yu's Linkedin Profile

She is an experienced Studio Wide Director of Technology on Xbox 360, PS3, PC.

She is coding graphics on PS4. You can contact her on non PS4 business at *email*

She is one of the 10 Most Influential in Gaming in the Last Decade [source: Kotaku]

She is coding/coded at big and seminal companies like Microsoft, Apple, Sony, Intel, IBM, Apogee, 3D Realms, Learning Company, Sierra Oakhurst as Studio Wide Director of Technology and Lead Programmer.

She is SIGGRAPH Game Development Committee Member

She is Microsoft Graphics Advisory Board member.

She is Founding Member of Microsoft's First Graphics Advisory Board.

She is GDC WiG Best Programmer award winner.

She programmed Borderlands and Brothers In Arms for Xbox 360, PS3, PC.

Yeh, definitely sounds like someone who is incompetent.
/s

 

[ZombieFred]

Yeah, I find it very hard to believe if someone so incompetent has been staying in such a higher level and importance on a technical front we would hear something about it from now, especially from Microsoft or other past references. Calling it a tale from my ass for now.

 

[SSReborn]

I hope he's telling the truth because posing as a ND employee just to shit on Corrine Yu seems like a waste of a gaf account.

Are we even sure he's from ND this person sounds like they could just have a grudge against Corrine for whatever reason.

 

[StuBurns]

"Maybe she is incompetent"? She is one person.
A dev team is about 100+ employees big. You can be the smartest person in the world, but if the whole team is average/crap, your game won't look like the greatest thing ever.

I don't understand your point at all.

I wasn't suggesting she was incompetent, I was referencing the statement made by the supposed insider.

Personally, I think he's talking crap, but we'll see.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

If she was really that incompetent she would have been fired. Its been known that at Naughty Dog your former title means nothing and you gotta proof it.

The other programmer that came with Christophe… I remember, the same day Andy promoted Christophe, when I was in a meeting where Andy told him he was going to be number two in the company, and his salary more than doubled. It was night and day, because he was now a senior person at one of the best game companies in the country. That same day, we had to fire the other programmer for being utterly inept. Christophe said, ‘this is what’s great about America. I come here as a junior programmer and I’m a senior programmer.’ The other guy says, ‘this is what sucks about America. In France, I could never be fired!

 

[jtan]

MS is the one that reportedly filed that patent for her work, and she later received this

https://twitter.com/Corrinne/status/266306417483472897

So, if she really didn't do shit at MS, as your quote tries to claim is the case, then why the hell would they credit her for that lighting technique?

Yeah, I figured she couldnt get away from taking all the credit if she didn't deserve at least some. I'm pretty sure others would have spoken up if she didn't do anything.

 

[Bundy]

I don't understand your point at all.

I wasn't suggesting she was incompetent, I was referencing the statement made by the supposed insider.

Personally, I think he's talking crap, but we'll see.

The reason for my post:

I remember thinking it was strange so many people made a big deal about her going to the Halo team, considering she'd been at Gearbox, and they've never made a technically impressive game at all

 

[shink]

?

I've googled the quote and it only appears in three places, including GAF. You'd think this statement would be published at least with the major outlets.

With Yu being allegedly incompetent, she's been in this industry for years and yet no-one has questioned her apparently questionable talent? I highly doubt it

 

[illmatic22]

we don't believe you, you need more people

Neogaf, students of the game, we passed the classes cause nobody can read you dudes like we do

 

[StuBurns]

The reason for my post:

Yes, I thought it was strange. I understand why someone at Gearbox might know she's a genius, but people on GAF certainly had no reason to be so bullish about it at the time I think.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

If she was really that imcompetent she would have been gone by now, like that Epic guy who was at ND for barely a month.

Which guy? I never heard this story until now. Would love to hear some details about this one.

 

[SolidSnakex]

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His point is that the quote Ezran posted is nowhere to be found in any of IGN's actual articles. It's only on a Wiki that gives no link to a source other than claiming that MS released that as a statement to IGN.

 

[TTP]

His point is that the quote Ezran posted is nowhere to be found in any of IGN's actual articles. It's only on a Wiki that gives no link to a source other than claiming that MS released that as a statement to IGN.

I see

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Which guy? I never heard this story until now. Would love to hear some details about this one.

Brian Karis.

Here

 

[DidntKnowJack]

I have a feeling the Ezram guy is doomed. On NeoGaf anyway. Sorry dude, but your claims sound unfounded.

 

[reptilescorpio]

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The only place it shows up is in a user edited wiki.

If MS made a statement it would exist somewhere, not nowhere.

The absence of evidence makes it hard to believe he isn't full of bullshit and this isn't another stupid fanboy shit flinging contest.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I don't want to appear as a fanboy here or post some BS statement, but it is apparent to me that her departure from Halo to Naughty Dog has left plenty of the Xbox fanboys salty.

This is pretty much evident from the *false* edit in the IGN Wiki about her, and also from this comment from some newly made junior member. Sounds to me like an attempt to downplay her accomplishments.

Conclusion: Xbox fans are salty over her departure.

 

[HellBlazer]

I've googled the quote and it only appears in three places, including GAF. You'd think this statement would be published at least with the major outlets.

With Yu being allegedly incompetent, she's been in this industry for years and yet no-one has questioned her apparently questionable talent? I highly doubt it

Looking through the Wiki history, it seems like this was added to the wiki page by IGN's Jared Petty two months ago. Maybe someone can message him on IGN (http://people.ign.com/jaredpetty-ign) or Twitter (@pettycommajared) and ask for more details on that source?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Are we even sure he's from ND this person sounds like they could just have a grudge against Corrine for whatever reason.

We won't know until a mod verifies him. I think its bullshit but going at Corrine Yu for incompetence is so random it makes the lie more believable.

 

[Tzeentch]

She had completely fallen off the fanboy radar too, which makes it even more bizarre to call her out here.

 

[Persona7]

Brian Karis.

Here

How do you know he was incompetent? It seems he got his old job back as a senior graphics programmer.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I hope he's telling the truth because posing as a ND employee just to shit on Corrine Yu seems like a waste of a gaf account.

Reads more like someone who has a grudge. Perhaps over some perceived slight or feeling as if she took sole credit for a team effort?

Could be a bitter 343i employee?

 

[Prototype Viktor]

How do you know he was incompetent? It seems he got his old job back as a senior graphics programmer.

he just couldn't handle the work flow that ND does compared to Epic not really about his incompetence

 

[SolidSnakex]

"Statement"

“While we consider Corrinne Yu a part of our founding family and can’t wait to see where her talent takes her in her new role, we wanted to clarify a repeated misconception, most recently on an IGN podcast. Corrinne worked on a branch of our tools team and did not in fact work on either the Halo 4 or Halo 5 engine or graphics at all. Our current tools team will surely miss her enviable intellect, but we felt it fair to both her and 343 Industries to ensure that the nature of her contributions was not being misrepresented.

HALO 4 credits

 

[BlackBuzzard]

How do you know he was incompetent? It seems he got his old job back as a senior graphics programmer.

Sorry should have phrased it differently, but i just find it strange you leave Epic just to return after 1 month.

 

[DBT85]

A guy with 5 posts who isn't bish approved and everyone gets excited?

Do developers not test potential hires before hiring?

 

[reptilescorpio]

If she was really that imcompetent she would have been gone by now, like that Epic guy who was at ND for barely a month.

Hard to say he isn't great at his job.

Could very well have been the studio wasn't a good fit for him. Epic are really different and have very different output to Naughty Dog after all.

Maybe his skillset is more suited to the Unreal toolset or he liked the idea of working on tools for multi-platform development rather than internal.

In any case the quick turnaround is very odd but could mean there were any number of factors, including personal ones (family, etc).

 

[Alienous]

A guy with 5 posts who isn't bish approved and everyone gets excited?

Do developers not test potential hires before hitting?

A lack of a 'Banned' is a tacit Bish approval.

But it's only a matter of time now.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

A guy with 5 posts who isn't bish approved and everyone gets excited?

Do developers not test potential hires before hitting?

Could be another ntkrnl in the making? Probably isn't, seems more like someone with a grudge or is generally bitter about something.

 

[WinFonda]

So he just randomly talks shit about Corinne but has nothing to offer about Amy Hennig or any other pertinent info that a Naughty Dog dev would be privy too? Blah.

Even if he has worked with Corrine before, I sincerely doubt his incompetency claims have any validity and this instead stems from some petty personal stuff. Ezran's insinuation that she can't get a job without some sort of nepotism on behalf of her husband is also really strange.

 

[DBT85]

A lack of a 'Banned' is a tacit Bish approval.

But it's only a matter of time now.

It's only been 90 minutes, and I've not seen a "please check your PM's" post.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

A lack of a 'Banned' is a tacit Bish approval.

But it's only a matter of time now.

Looks like Bish isn't online right now, so I wouldn't read into his silence just yet. Probably sleeping or something.

 

[Hanmik]

It's only been 90 minutes, and I've not seen a "please check your PM's" post.

I have seen such a post

Spoiler

Yours

 

[ReaperXL7]

A lack of a 'Banned' is a tacit Bish approval.

But it's only a matter of time now.

Has he even awoken from the bunker yet?

Honestly I have no interest in what "insiders" say until it becomes reality. Too much teasing/hinting without much in the way of any proof at this point.

 

[Corto]

LoL

Going off topic here, but don't be naive. Hiring mistakes happens all the time.

Sure they do, but he is saying that several company hiring processes failed and that this person has a forged curriculum claiming work it's not hers to begin with. Even if Corrine Yu left ND today I would think that team/company cultural incompatibilities or inadaptation would be the prime reasons other than false curriculum. This claim is a throwaway account from a malicious source until proven otherwise.

 

[EVIL]

Brian Karis.

Here

Some people simply don't mesh with how certain studios work. They get a job offer, take up on it an realise after working a few weeks there that either the studio culture is not something you can work in, or the way their production pipeline is set up is stressing you out. In the end it's about you and enjoying a healthy life and does not mean the guy is incompetent.

 

[WinFonda]

"Statement"



HALO 4 credits

I don't know of that quotes' authenticity, but it is consistent with something I've heard Frank O'Conner (Stinkles) say here on GAF

eh? Corinne (who is amazeballs, btw) worked with our tools team. She didn't work on the engine for Halo 4 or 5. Our engine and engineering team is led by the equally talented and beautiful Dave Berger, who has been in charge since 343 started.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96441110&postcount=149

 

[krioto]

Could be another ntkrnl in the making?

what? you think he's a controlled leak from ms?

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Looking through the Wiki history, it seems like this was added to the wiki page by IGN's Jared Petty two months ago. Maybe someone can message him on IGN (http://people.ign.com/jaredpetty-ign) or Twitter (@pettycommajared) and ask for more details on that source?

Good point. Anyone with a Twitter account want to ask Jared about his source?

 

[RulkezX]

LoL

Going off topic here, but don't be naive. Hiring mistakes happens all the time.

So you think when hiring someone as high profile as Yu ( who this junior wants us to believe sucks at her job) ND hadn't spoken to people from any one of the top tier companies she had worked at or heard how (allegedly) awful she is at her job through the grapevine at coms/dev days/ expo's etc ?

So they hired her because she was "that hot rocket scientist dev" of internet fame ?

K

 

[SolidSnakex]

I don't know of that quotes' authenticity, but it is consistent with something I've heard Frank O'Conner (Stinkles) say here on GAF



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96441110&postcount=149

Sounds sorta like an ICE Team scenario, and they're really critical to what goes on with ND games visually.

 

[reptilescorpio]

I don't know of that quotes' authenticity, but it is consistent with something I've heard Frank O'Conner (Stinkles) say here on GAF



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96441110&postcount=149

Pretty sure she worked on lighting and animation tools rather than the engine itself if I remember correctly.

 

[Dreamgazer]

So you think when hiring someone as high profile as Yu ( who this junior wants us to believe sucks at her job) ND hadn't spoken to people from any one of the top tier companies she had worked at or heard how (allegedly) awful she is at her job through the grapevine at coms/dev days/ expo's etc ?

So they hired her because she was "that hot rocket scientist dev" of internet fame ?

K

Sure they do, but he is saying that several company hiring processes failed and that this person has a forged curriculum claiming work it's not hers to begin with. Even if Corrine Yu left ND today I would think that team/company cultural incompatibilities or inadaptation would be the prime reasons other than false curriculum. This claim is a throwaway account from a malicious source until proven otherwise.

I know nothing of Corrinne Yu or MS/ND's hiring process.
For that reason, I am not qualified or interested in making a comment on those specific matters.

That said, I was simply making an off topic comment about how "hiring processes at any big company are in place to ensure that employees have adequate capabilities to the position" is a ridiculous statement from my perspective. I will stand by that off-topic comment and please feel free to ask about my personal experiences with hiring mistakes if necessary.

K?

 

[Corto]

I know nothing of Corrinne Yu or MS/ND's hiring process.
For that reason, I am not qualified or interested in making a comment on those specific matters.

That said, I was simply making an off topic comment about how "hiring processes at any big company are in place to ensure that employees have adequate capabilities to the position" is a ridiculous statement from my perspective. I will stand by that off-topic comment and please feel free to ask about my personal experiences with hiring mistakes if necessary.

K?

I agreed with you that those processes can fail, and do fail. To this extent (fake claimed skills and competency), repeatedly and in such an high profile position and individual, very seldom though. I made a generic comment on hiring processes but you had to read that comment informed with this specific scenario conditions. That's what we're commenting here now. That Corrine Yu career is built on lies and unproven skills.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Interested to see how this turns out. Seems odd to me to make an account here just to leak THIS news. Maybe if more info was givin other than just saying "Corrine sucks", I would be more inclined to believe. Sounds more like a disgruntled 343 fan or some anti Naughty Dog shit to me. We shall see I guess. What kind if insiders first leak is about somebody getting fired? Kinda sounds like a dick move.

 

[Sakujou]

While I want to believe everything is cool over at Naughty Dog, after the blow up with Irrational I find it hard to trust anything anyone in the AAA gaming industry says on the record.

This sums it up.

I hate the industry more and more for their shady business ways. They fire or close studios becausethey want to make other games or whatever. In which dimension does this make sense?