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It has to be asked : Will Dark Souls 2 get the PS4/XB1 version it so deserves ?

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DrROBschiz

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pa22word said:
That have the lighting and all advanced effects removed, while all other screens of the game featuring the predowngraded effects have been removed from the steam store.

I mean you may want to stick your head in the sand over it, but the implication is pretty fucking crystal clear to anyone with a set of functional eyes and the ability to access the steam store that the final PC version has been cut down.



If they try and charge back the upgraded effects later when there was no reason to cut them in the first place on PC, then yes they are trying to fuck over PC users just to make a quick buck, and I won't support such bullshit. Sorry.



Ah yes, the "umad" drive by post argument. So compelling.

I'm not mad at all. They released a shitty PC version of Dark 1, and if they try and do charge to put back in effects that had no reason to be cut in the first place then I will not support them ever again. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, it's my own damned fault. It's not anger, it's just me deciding that I can't trust them anymore. Sorry if you're willing to take bullshit because you like the games, but I have enough shit to play that missing Fromsoft's stuff won't even be a blip on my radar.



They're essentially confirmed to be gone. When the question about them was put to a Namco rep he danced around it and then promptly removed every screen of the game with the lighting mechanics/advanced effects from the steam store.
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Crystal clear from a couple of screens?

You know that many PC games are scalable right? With tons of feature toggling?

Im not saying this will be the case with Dark Souls 2 (i predict you will be right) but dont act like the evidence is "Crystal Clear" one way or the other.
 
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Toxi

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Archie said:
b-but my superior lighting that would make the entire game as annoying as Tomb of Giants. :qq
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This is the one thing that's really fucked up. There is zero reason for the lack of darkness in many areas. I can only assume it was a response to people complaining about the darkness in the beta.
 
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nynt9

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Grief.exe said:
If they do, I'd hope they would roll that same patch out to the PC.

The current-gen version would be based on the PC version.
PCs are more than capable of handling anything the current-gen consoles can produce.

I don't see any reason, other than greed, that the graphical updates wouldn't be patched into the PC version as well.
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Please explain to me how greed results in them not "patching in" "graphical updates" into the PC version (I'm using quotes because it assumes that such an "update" exists to begin with and it's easy to patch in)
 
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pa22word

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DrROBschiz said:
Crystal clear from a couple of screens?

You know that many PC games are scalable right? With tons of feature toggling?

Im not saying this will be the case with Dark Souls 2 (i predict you will be right) but dont act like the evidence is "Crystal Clear" one way or the other.
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It is crystal clear. What you're implying is that they are intentionally sabotaging the PC version by intentionally removing all the shots of the game with the advanced effects.

The namco rep said the game looked "pretty much the same" as the console version he was streaming but with higher resolution and framerate, which is exactly what the remaining screen shots on the store represent. FFS they even removed SSAO, which is something you can force on the driver level in a lot of games >_>
 
Portugeezer

Portugeezer

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Yes and no.

Will it come? Most likely. There was a very recent interview, was it on GT TV or something with Keighley, the fat translator you see in interviews basically said they listen to the community blah blah and Geoff almost caught him out, but then the fat translator could just laugh and say to buy the version that was launching.

Basically... I could only play this on PS4 anyway so I anticipate any PS4 version they will bring.

Will it be much different to the last gen versions? No, I expect AC4 levels of difference, basically like a PC version.
 
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HeelPower

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pa22word said:
The namco rep said the game looked "pretty much the same" as the console version he was streaming but with higher resolution and framerate
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I'd take that any day.

I'd love to play the game in buttery smooth FPS and some higher resolution textures.
 
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DrROBschiz

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pa22word said:
It is crystal clear. What you're implying is that they are intentionally sabotaging the PC version by intentionally removing all the shots of the game with the advanced effects.

The namco rep said the game looked "pretty much the same" as the console version he was streaming but with higher resolution and framerate, which is exactly what the remaining screen shots on the store represent. FFS they even removed SSAO, which is something you can force on the driver level in a lot of games >_>
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I am not denying the evidence you have

I just argue whether its definitive. Namco reps? Do we really trust them to be accurate after the botched marketing?

I say we need MORE evidence.
 
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npa189

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It can't be that hard since they already have a PC version coming out, I'd love it on PS4 but I doubt I would double dip since I already preordered the PC version.
 
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jon bones

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pa22word said:
Ah yes, the "umad" drive by post argument. So compelling.

I'm not mad at all. They released a shitty PC version of Dark 1, and if they try and do charge to put back in effects that had no reason to be cut in the first place then I will not support them ever again. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, it's my own damned fault. It's not anger, it's just me deciding that I can't trust them anymore. Sorry if you're willing to take bullshit because you like the games, but I have enough shit to play that missing Fromsoft's stuff won't even be a blip on my radar.
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Personally I'm not a big fan of Souls games anyway, and it is stupid of them to make DS1 port so shitty but it's silly to condemn them for a game that hasn't even come out yet.

And for someone who isn't angry, you're certainly worked up enough to drop f bombs all over the post.
 
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pa22word

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HeelPower said:
I'd take that any day.
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I have no real problem with that. However, them later charging PC users to put the effects back in or buy the X1/PS4 versions to experience those effects is bullshit as there's no reason they couldn't have been included in the first place other than greed to get people to double dip.


nynt9 said:
Please explain to me how greed results in them not "patching in" "graphical updates" into the PC version (I'm using quotes because it assumes that such an "update" exists to begin with and it's easy to patch in)
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Because the only reason these effects are removed in the first place is due to from forcing parity with the 7th gen versions. ffs you can buy a 250$ card more powerful than the PS4/X1 atm. There is no logical reason to remove the effects other than parity, and to have the gall to come back later and ask for a handout to restore them would be tantamount to a swift kick right in the balls.
 
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QuickSilverD

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FinalStageBoss said:
I doubt it'll happen. We'll have to wait for Dark Souls 3(or new Demons) to play Souls on the new consoles.
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I dunno they seem to like baiting their fans to double dipping (as they tried by delaying Artorias of the Abyss and the PC version of DSII). And you can be sure there are enough fans that would do just that
Suckers like myself for example
 
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Grief.exe

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nynt9 said:
Please explain to me how greed results in them not "patching in" "graphical updates" into the PC version (I'm using quotes because it assumes that such an "update" exists to begin with and it's easy to patch in)
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Well Namco would have to front the money to create the patch and features for what would be a free update.

Greed would be not creating the patch and having people buy the game on PS4/XBO if they want the definitive edition, even though the PC would be perfectly capable of running those features.
 
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pa22word

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jon bones said:
Personally I'm not a big fan of Souls games anyway, and it is stupid of them to make DS1 port so shitty but it's silly to condemn them for a game that hasn't even come out yet.

And for someone who isn't angry, you're certainly worked up enough to drop f bombs all over the post.
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1. You do realize this entire topic was made to discuss a theoretical version of the game with the downgraded effects added back in, right?

2. I didn't use a single "f bomb" in that entire post you just quoted....

3. Are we really back in preschool where we're all so immature to think that "oooooh he used a BAD WORD so he mad!11" due to the only experience with curse words you had when your parents stubbed their toes? People curse. Sometimes in normal speech too, if you can imagine that :O!
 
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Gorillaz

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Neiteio said:
Well, FROM has said they made the game with next-gen in mind, and had to downgrade the PS3/360 versions when those systems weren't up to the task, so... I think we'll see them port it to PS4 and XO.

What I want to know is how the PC version will be. Any word on whether PC version will have the lighting and other effects they originally planned?
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Don't know much about the PC release right now, but if it does have a next gen release I wouldn't be surprised as well since they talked about the engine being used for next gen anyway.

At the same time I wouldnt be surprised if we didn't get a next gen release
 
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DrROBschiz

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pa22word said:
I have no real problem with that. However, them later charging PC users to put the effects back in or buy the X1/PS4 versions to experience those effects is bullshit as there's no reason they couldn't have been included in the first place other than greed to get people to double dip.




Because the only reason these effects are removed in the first place is due to from forcing parity with the 7th gen versions. ffs you can buy a 250$ card more powerful than the PS4/X1 atm. There is no logical reason to remove the effects other than parity, and to have the gall to come back later and ask for a handout to restore them would be tantamount to a swift kick right in the balls.
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This would assume the effects were even created for the entire game instead of just the demos

My guess is that the Console Versions took priority for money reasons and the Reveal/Demo quality was never sought after for such a small PC playerbase.

Maybe this will be added in later as a patch but not because it was removed but because it was created later AFTER they made their money.

Either way it stinks I guess. I hold out hope that at least the PC version can get some extra love from the delay.
 
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En-ou

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pa22word said:
Considering what they did to the PC release I wouldn't even buy it even if they did, and would probably never buy another FromSoft game again unless they roll out the new stuff as a free patch to PC users.
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what did they do to the pc release?
 
Gouty

Gouty

Bloodborne is shit
Of course we will. With the PC supposedly being the lead platform any competent studio could handle a next gen port. And why not? It's just money sitting on the table for them, not to mention the added exposure the Dark Souls franchise would get heading into DS3.

I bet we'll be playing it in over a years time, less than two.
 
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Dragonborn

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I don't think so. We'll likely get Demon's Souls 2 on PS4 (or whatever Souls or off shoot Sony and maybe Miyazaki are working on), and then Dark Souls 3 on PS4/X1/PC in two years.
 
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DrROBschiz

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En-ou said:
what did they do to the pc release?
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Nothing

Its up-ressed retail at 60FPS for all we know

Some people think the Demos extended to some Finished and complete product that was gutted so that it can be resold

I think its simpler than that. The Demo quality work was never done outside of that point
 
weevles

weevles

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I won't hold my breath for a port. Seems like they'd have to invest more money on servers and I don't think they are going to do that.

I'll just wait for DS3.
 
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DrROBschiz

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weevles said:
I won't hold my breath for a port. Seems like they'd have to invest more money on servers and I don't think they are going to do that.

I'll just wait for DS3.
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If it was truly developed on PC

A port to Next Gen should be a no brainer. Pretty sure its gonna happen

Whether or not it will be really pretty... well thats another story
 
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Chill Penguin

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It'll happen, just you guys wait. They even said they made Dark Souls 2 with next gen in mind. Of course they wouldn't mention anything in January, they wouldn't want it to eat into PS3/360 sales.
 
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pa22word

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DrROBschiz said:
This would assume the effects were even created for the entire game instead of just the demos

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Sources have came out and said that the effects were cut late in development, which means probably the beta stage, meaning the entire game was already playable in some form from start to finish before they made the cuts.

Of course, that all depends on how trusting you are of "sources", lol, but given that we were seeing predowngrade shit being promoted 6 weeks before the game came out, yeah...

En-ou said:
what did they do to the pc release?
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I've answered that several times throughout the thread, including like 10 posts down from that post on the first page.
 
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DrROBschiz

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pa22word said:
Sources have came out and said that the effects were cut late in development, which means probably the beta stage, meaning the entire game was already playable in some form from start to finish before they made the cuts.

Of course, that all depends on how trusting you are of "sources", lol, but given that we were seeing predowngrade shit being promoted 6 weeks before the game came out, yeah...



I've answered that several times throughout the thread, including like 10 posts down from that post on the first page.
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Can you cite these mysterious sources?

We have had little transparent developer commentary since the downgrade fiasco
 
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Toxi

Banned
Some of the pre-downgrade assets are in the actual game; for example, Looking-Glass Knight's original model occasionally flickers in. They were not just done for the demo.
jon bones said:
Personally I'm not a big fan of Souls games anyway, and it is stupid of them to make DS1 port so shitty but it's silly to condemn them for a game that hasn't even come out yet.

And for someone who isn't angry, you're certainly worked up enough to drop f bombs all over the post.
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What's fucking wrong with dropping fucking f-bombs all over the fucking place?

It's extremely discouraging for From Soft to cripple the PC version based on the console versions. It's even more discouraging because it's the opposite of what they said they were going to do. People have reason to be upset. I'm not particularly upset because I'm burnt out and I love the game anyway, but it's shit like this that people are sick of in the industry.
 
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pa22word

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DrROBschiz said:
Can you cite these mysterious sources?

We have had little transparent developer commentary since the downgrade fiasco
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“This is what it comes down to: a playable framerate. The early builds that the screenshots came from were playable but only just so. The game was not in a state where it could be sold at that point. I strongly suspect that they were focusing heavily on delivering a top-notch experience on PC and underestimated the challenges the new systems would pose on PS3 / Xbox360. That’s my analysis, anyway. But, factually, the early builds played like Blighttown the entire game.

“I sincerely don’t think they intended to deceive, but in the end they sacrificed a huge amount of graphical fidelity at the very end of development because they couldn’t resolve the framerate in any other way. They had to promote the game with screens and trailers, but at that time even they had no idea they were going to have to drop the settings so much, I suspect.

“I want people to know the truth. I know a lot of people just feel lied to, but I think the reality is a bit different. It doesn’t mean they handled it properly, but I think they made the only decision they COULD make in the end. The game would have been much worse without the change (as in, many would call it unplayable and broken.)”
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...broken-on-consoles-before-graphics-downgrade/


Based on that, it's clear the effects were already implemented throughout the entire game ("the whole game played like blighttown") before they made the cuts.
 
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DrROBschiz

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pa22word said:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...broken-on-consoles-before-graphics-downgrade/


Based on that, it's clear the effects were already implemented throughout the entire game ("the whole game played like blighttown") before they made the cuts.
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This article is from a third party. Not internal development.

It specifically calls out the console versions and isnt evidence pointing to the state of the PC version.

Everyone is just making leaps and guesses and passing it as fact.

Again im not saying your predictions are wrong but they are just that.

We have no footage, limited internal statements saying PC will have improved resolution and framerate, and a handful of screens.

None of which were provided in response to the downgrade issue.
 
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tengiants

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Toxi said:
Some of the pre-downgrade assets are in the actual game; for example, Looking-Glass Knight's original model occasionally flickers in. They were not just done for the demo.

What's fucking wrong with dropping fucking f-bombs all over the fucking place?

It's extremely discouraging for From Soft to cripple the PC version based on the console versions. It's even more discouraging because it's the opposite of what they said they were going to do. People have reason to be upset. I'm not particularly upset because I'm burnt out and I love the game anyway, but it's shit like this that people are sick of in the industry.
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There's no issue if you want sound extremely angry.

If you don't want to sound angry, like your post implies that you aren't, you should probably calm down and refrain from the f-bomb.
 
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Stet

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tengiants said:
There's no issue if you want sound extremely angry.

If you don't want to sound angry, like your post implies that you aren't, you should probably calm down and refrain from the f-bomb.
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people who use the word fuck are angry as fuck guys
 
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EGM1966

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Assuming they really have produced a great PC version then it should be easy enough to move that version to PS4/XB1.
 
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Mogwai

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I am very convinced that the game will look great on PC and nextgen consoles.

PS3 and 360 are ancient consoles.
 
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