BuggeryBugz
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Grimløck;112033360 said:
What if that lesser product had all the games that you wanted to play on it? It's not all about the hardware.
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Microsoft announces Xbox One without Kinect for $399, releases June 9th
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What if that lesser product had all the games that you wanted to play on it? It's not all about the hardware.
hooijdonk17
Member
The great thing about Gen6 was that it mostly eliminated this segmentation; nowadays both consoles have 90% of the generation's games, and most people I know can live with not playing the next Halo or whatever (especially considering how Microsoft so successfully drove their best IPs to the ground with Halo 4, GOW Judgement, closing down Bizzare, making Rare do Kinect games then dropping Kinect, releasing Forza 4.5+Transactions, etc.)
Microsoft didn't close down Bizarre. They were an independent studio that was purchased by Activision.
And the secret of "etc." on the Internet is that the person utilizing the terminology has run out of things to list. I speak from experience
hooijdonk17
Member
True about Bizzarre, my memory failed me. Regardless, Microsoft chose to do jackshit with the PGR IP; it has become irrelevant, like Rallisport Challenge did from XBOX to XBOX360.
Also, it's not my fault that I've run out of list worthy Microsoft IP's after the fifth..
Also, it's not my fault that I've run out of list worthy Microsoft IP's after the fifth..
three_muffins
Member
So instead of an unique feature that made the Xbox one stand out, we now have a weaker console for the same price as the ps4? Good move.... :/
They should have lowered the price and leave the console intact. Talk about mixed messages. Resolution does not matter...but it does. Kinect is an integral part....and now it is gone. Does the average (if there is such a thing) user even know what the Xbox one is all about now?
Consider me confused.
They should have lowered the price and leave the console intact. Talk about mixed messages. Resolution does not matter...but it does. Kinect is an integral part....and now it is gone. Does the average (if there is such a thing) user even know what the Xbox one is all about now?
Consider me confused.
rokkerkory
Member
Super happy due to pressure from Sony, MS has to drop price. Competition ftw. This only means cheaper for me to own both eventually.
Riky
$MSFT
Exactly.
Also all the talk of resolutions but Forza was 1080p at a locked 60fps at launch, I'm sure there is more to come from the console.
BuggeryBugz
Member
It's all about exclusives for me, and I would guess a lot of people too. If the system I want has the exclusives I love to play, I will get it. It wouldn't matter if it's the Wii U, The Xbox One or the PS4, and it wouldn't matter if it was less powerful.
Edit: And they haven't driven their exclusives into the ground. They were good games that weren't received well and weren't the best in the series, but they still are great IP's for MS.
So they say....
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/1080p-dropping-kinect-could-lead-to-xbox-one-performance-boost/1100-6419621/
...don't know how true that is....I'm skeptical.
I just hope Halo 5 resembles 2 or 3. I really didn't enjoy 4. If 343 manages to nail it I will buy an XB1 just for Halo.
Uhh I've been hearing it since I first started visiting gaming forums almost 13 years ago...
Since it's become damn obvious the xbone is much weaker than the PS4: every Multiplatform Title has eather lower resolution or less frames per seconds (or both...).
The funny thing about that is, that the xbone is actually a little bit more expensive than the PS4 to make... (the reason being them 5 Billion Transistors or in other words: the damn expensive ESRam)
Though I have no doubts that they're gonna sell their console sooner than Sony at 349(in fact they already did with a free titanfall and 100 Euro pricecut in some stores here in europe anyways)
Microsoft didn't close down Bizarre. They were an independent studio that was purchased by Activision.
And the secret of "etc." on the Internet is that the person utilizing the terminology has run out of things to list. I speak from experience
I think the point here is that neither the PS4 nor the Xbox One are like the NES, PS1 or PS2 in that the majority of third-parties are exclusive to one console by default nor do either do something unique which justifies its price point like the Wii does. Both PS4 and Xbox One play the majority of third-party releases and unless one is a fan of exclusives to either the PS4 or XB1, there is no reason to buy one or the other without comparing the systems, The PS4 is a better system if all one is interested in is third-party multiplatform titles. Even lowering the console price and having a great variety of exclusives may not work to stave off PS4 domination, as Nintendo during the N64 and GC could show.
I dunno maybe its because Ive been doing this with my android phone and iOS tablets for a long time now, this feature of the Kinect was the least exciting for me. Especially when my mobile device voice commands are much more sophisticated and are portable, not to mention way more accurate.
Wickerbasket
Member
Haven't people always wanted more for their money? I can't imagine it's some sort of new phenomenon.
The fact that the system's libraries are going to be made up of 90% of the same games isn't really helping much either though. It doesn't really make sense to most people to pay the same amount for a weaker system when they are both so similar.
On the flip side, if Microsoft had made a more powerful system, they could probably have gotten away with charging a bit more than the PS4, but they didn't.
It started with Apple. If you have a brand that sells everything because of its power, you can price it as you like, people will buy it for the brand alone. Unfortunately "xbox" as a brand has the appeal of a potato globally and even with great hardware, good price, perfect online structure and games, games, games with 360 they couldn't even surpass the "Playstation" in awareness and sales worldwide. Its coupled with Microsofts reputation outside the US and it really didnt help them that the word of mouth spread through all networks and media and the "xbone" got stigmatized as overpriced, weak surveillance hardware with draconian restrictions. The brands image got even worse and people will always use the argument of power related to price because the appeal or value for the system and brand is in every regard inferior to the Playstations. Same goes for Nintendo by the way with WiiU.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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That's nonsense, there are still dozens and dozens of worthwhile exclusive games on all consoles. While more casual gamers might not care much whether they're playing game X or game Y, I can't put myself in that state of mind. I don't find games and franchises interchangeable, and I would wager that most of us here don't.
Where is a chalkboard when you need one?
More funnier would be the "better with Kinect" line.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
dat windows 8 feels
Apple as done an amazing job at accessorizing it's products. In other words, they took what the fashion industry has been doing for years, and applied it to electronics. This was a big part of Steve Jobs idea for the future of Apple, but it would have never come to fruition unless Jonathan Ive and his team had come up with the designs. It made electronics fashionably desirable.
Microsoft has not been able to duplicate this success (I'm not sure if they've even tried). I mean, the XBO has been criticized by looking like an VHS player. If they would have taken a page out of Apple's playbook and made an aesthetically-pleasing console with some niche (like the glowing Apple logo on MacBooks and Macs, making everyone to HAVE to have one), then maybe the XBO might be selling better. After all, it seemed that at first like MSFT was not going for the core gamer, but the casual. Hell, most people love having a Starbucks cup in their hands, more than the drink itself. It's all about having a desirable product, fashion-wise or performance-wise. A killer product is both.
Wouldn't you need Kinect 3.0 for VR because 2.0 is too slow?
Are there any signs pointing towards the idea that microsoft is working on VR?
Their Fortaleza AR patents are fundamentally different and don't offer nearly the same experience.
Also, if Kinect is going to do the tracking, it better see a huge upgrade because the latency is not even close to adequate.
Depends on whether they only need the body 3d "picture" for tracking. If so, the latency is very very low.
see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yUu1ZQDCGp8#t=135
*lol* I am sure it is in the Terms of Use. Google does the same obvioulsy.
Surprised it isn't "Xbox, play some porn! I don't have my hands free to use a remote."
sure, but one of the biggest worries (I don't say it's real, only microsoft know) was, that Microsoft hat put a mandatory kinect and always online policy in place, so they can "record" your tv watching habits and sell them to advertisers, and NSA, etc.
They said "no" to it multiple times and now they casually throw around with analysed kinect records. It's a bit weird, at least for me.
Maybe it is, but they doesn't wanted to include it.
I'm also surprised, that Xbox Off is not on the list, would make more sense to be a more used phrase than "record that"
Hasn't that always been the natural order to perceived value proposition? The only exceptions to the rule seem to be when the weaker system is doing so much better than the stronger systems that the latter are forced to aggressively reduce their prices, whilst the former is able to sustain lengthier periods of higher prices. That, or the weaker console offers other features or hardware justifying the price (e.g., Kinect, a Blu-ray player etc).
FunkyPajamas
Member
Xbox, where's my fedora?
Well, given the fact that even a middleschooler can just read up on everything regarding these consoles, what reason would anyone have to spend more/as much for a considerably weaker product?
Especially considering that most major titles are going to be cross platform moving forward... This isn't like the old SNES/Genesis days, where you had to choose between legitimately different products.
BuggeryBugz
Member
Let me know when you can get forza, halo, gears etc on the PS4.
I've said it on this thread already but exclusives is what will sway most people who can only afford the one console.
I can let you know that Forza was already released, and by the time iterations from those series come out it will be at least a year and a half into this console cycle.I can also tell you that people can get the 'Halo' experience with just about any other FPS that comes out on either system... Battlefield 4, CoD, and now Titanfall.
The average consumer isn't going to wait that amount of time for one game- Especially when one console has a higher user base, better specs, and until June a better price.
Why don't you ask Nintendo how their 1st party titles are swaying buyers.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
What the fuck? This isn't even close to true at all.
The Jackdog
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this couldnt be more incorrect
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Not even close. None of those games play like Halo, and I'd trade every Killzone and Resistance game ever made to get a good Halo game for PS4.
PseudoViper
Member
So the real question is... Can you really play it without the Kinect? Last I checked, the Kinect was needed.
That is beyond bullshit.
That's like saying you can get the Mario experience by playing Rayman.
EmeraldSwords
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I'd Pick the Resistance series over Halo any day.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
They went with Forza Horizon instead, and I think it makes more sense than having two similar 1st party IPs with different brands. Now each release feeds into the other. Regular Forza is the sim, Horizon touches on the PGR feels.
SpartanN92
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And it is your god given right to make poor decisions.
Latvian Hitman
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I agree. But the real question in my mind is: can MS deliver an authentic 'Halo' experience? They sure as hell didn't with Halo 4.
Their ability to deliver on this will have a lot to do with whether I ever get an XB1 or not.
Would the average consumer?
Because Halo 4 was abandoned pretty quickly after release. Point is, there is a lot more competition in that arena and the franchise isn't strong enough on its own to convince people to buy a console.