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Halo 5: Guardians revealed - more at E3 - Fall 2015 [Box Art person is new guy]

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Ran Ran

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Chief would never go rouge.

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ryan299

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Nah, the story to me doesn't matter in the slightest if the game is fun/balanced, etc... Granted, that was an issue, but I don't think it's at the forefront of the game's problems. Removal of features/game modes, map breaking abilities/perks, map design, lack of incentive to win (ranks), dull or overly repetitive modes (SpOps, etc), net code/lag, and similar would all take precedence over the story not making sense or being easy to follow... for me anyways.

I know people are heavily invested in the story of John Halo & co. though so I can see why that would be off-putting for some, but if the gameplay is fun, it shouldn't be the biggest issue on the board.

Once I played multiplayer and realized that the game wasn't really Halo and went further with the formula introduced in Reach that I hated, the campaign was the only thing I was looking forward to.
The campaign is awful not only bc of the story but also bc of level design. After finishing the campaign I thought that all the levels were ripped out of previous halo campaigns and were put together to make a "greatest hits" version. I wanted something fresh and all I got was rehashed levels.


Wasn't this the Bornstellar Didact, or did I totally misunderstand how that went down? My understanding was the original Didact is dead and that Bornstellar eventually became the Didact memories/personality/appearance and all.


You need to read the rest of the books but essentially,

The Didact is sent to die in a flood system but comes back to stop the flood. He doesn't really help the Forerunners out much bc he hates humanity. he goes to Omega Halo and uses the composer to kill all the humans on the Halo. The Librarian then forces him into a Cryptum where he sleeps until he is awoken by Chief in Halo 4. Bornstellar or IsoDidact activates the rings and then along with the Librarian reintroduces humans back into the galaxy. He then leaves with her to an unknown location. He's still out there probably.
 
I loved Halo 4, 343 really did their part in the story department. It brought the intensity of the books into the game world. However, if they decide to skip out on bringing the Arbiter back again, I will be extremely disappointed.

I always had this scene in my mind for Halo 4, where Chief was surrounded by enemies, with no hope of surviving, all of a sudden a energy sword is activated and Arbiters cloaking wears off, followed by his team of elites, and they proceed to save Chief.
 
Once I played multiplayer and realized that the game wasn't really Halo and went further with the formula introduced in Reach that I hated, the campaign was the only thing I was looking forward to.
The campaign is awful not only bc of the story but also bc of level design. After finishing the campaign I thought that all the levels were ripped out of previous halo campaigns and were put together to make a "greatest hits" version. I wanted something fresh and all I got was rehashed levels.





You need to read the rest of the books but essentially,

The Didact is sent to die in a flood system but comes back to stop the flood. He doesn't really help the Forerunners out much bc he hates humanity. he goes to Omega Halo and uses the composer to kill all the humans on the Halo. The Librarian then forces him into a Cryptum where he sleeps until he is awoken by Chief in Halo 4. Bornstellar or IsoDidact activates the rings and then along with the Librarian reintroduces humans back into the galaxy. He then leaves with her to an unknown location. He's still out there probably.
I thought the Terminals in Halo 3 showed that the Librarian died on Earth just below Mt Kilimanjaro where
some flood gave her a final message from the gravemind
, and the Isodidact died with all other life on the Lesser Ark when he activated the Halos?

Not spoilering because the terminals are ~7 years old now.
 
I liked the Ur-Didact as a villain. Is it any surprise he underestimated the Chief? He never could have imagined the insect that he so obviously felt the Chief was would be capable of disrupting his plans to such a degree. And it wasn't that he ignored the Chief as he was doing various things, it's just that he had his mind on larger, more immediate concerns.

He had far bigger plans, plans that he felt once put into motion couldn't be stopped by anyone or anything. Did he underestimate the Master Chief? Of course he did, but most bad guys tend to do that. And I absolutely loved the way Cortana physically manifested herself using the same concept that makes light bridges possible. It was pretty creative of 343i, and it's a scene I loved. Some say they hated that scene, but I think it's one of the most awesome scenes in the entire series.

It works in theory. Can't you step on and touch a light bridge? Is it that unimaginable that Cortana being an AI at the level that she's at, and with the wealth of knowledge that she possesses, could utilize her understanding of the light bridge to find a way to physically manifest versions of her digital body in order to physically aide the Chief in combat? This is the kind of thing we'd usually read about in the books, but it's nice for a change to see this stuff happen in the game. I always go back to Cortana redirecting the power from the shield's on the Chief's armor and using it to give the Ghost unlimited boost power when you were trying to escape the destruction after the Didact was revived. I thought that was pretty cool. It further cemented Cortana's status as a true AI partner, I felt. Her last acts before dying was the ultimate version of that. She did something that, to my knowledge, no other AI had ever accomplished before.

Chief would never go rouge.

So going vogue is still a possibility. :)

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ryan299

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I thought the Terminals in Halo 3 showed that the Librarian died on Earth just below Mt Kilimanjaro where
some flood gave her a final message from the gravemind
, and the Isodidact died with all other life on the Lesser Ark when he activated the Halos?

Not spoilering because the terminals are ~7 years old now.

You're right about her. She did die but in the books
Guilty Spark believes she is alive and then hijacks the UNSC ship to go to her

http://www.halopedia.org/Librarian#Possible_survival

According to halopedia the
IsoDidact exiled himself with the rest of the forerunners in order for humanity to grow without the interference of the Forerunners.

http://www.halopedia.org/IsoDidact#Post-activation


Two 'women' are the reason Chief survives in Halo 4.
The Librarian gives him powers to survive the composer, and Cortana saves him at the end with all her cloning magic
 
Hopefully they bring back Neil Davidge, and hopefully they actually put Neil Davidge's score in the game this time. That would be real swell.

I too would love Neil back, but I contacted him via Facebook and he said Kazuma Jinnouchi would be doing Halo 5. Him and Davidge did the Score for 4 together. Though one song was done by him alone I believe and that was this masterpiece.

I think it's in good hands. :) Halo 4's score was superb and I listen to it on a regular basis (like now in fact).

Edit:

Quote from his facebook page.

"So, this is the game I've been writing music for. "Halo 5: Guardians" coming Fall 2015 to Xbox One."

Nice.
 
You're right about her. She did die but in the books
Guilty Spark believes she is alive and then hijacks the UNSC ship to go to her

http://www.halopedia.org/Librarian#Possible_survival

According to halopedia the
IsoDidact exiled himself with the rest of the forerunners in order for humanity to grow without the interference of the Forerunners.

http://www.halopedia.org/IsoDidact#Post-activation


Two 'women' are the reason Chief survives in Halo 4.
The Librarian gives him powers to survive the composer, and Cortana saves him at the end with all her cloning magic

Thank you for this - a lot of what you said was new to me, and I just finished Silentium. Looks like it was in extra footage from Halo 4. I hadn't heard Rebirth yet. Need to listen to it today!
 
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kittens

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I hate how central the Forerunner fiction is to the games now. I couldn't care less about the Didact or Librarian. I've tried to follow their story / history, but I just don't care. I'm a moderate Halo fiction nerd, but I've dropped out after the Forerunners become so central. I wish they stayed a mysterious, ancient force. I'd much rather hear about humanity, the Covenant, the Flood, and then perhaps some new party.
 
Just finished halo 4's singleplayer, it was pretty amazing. I don't have gold so I won't be trying halo 4 online.

Its hard to take chief seriously since he never takes off his damn helmet and you can't read his emotions. Add onto that his monotone voice and it's kind of awkward to see him in these dramatic cortonna/chief scenes. He's almost as bad of a protagonist as kratos is, as far as the player being able to relate to. I guess chief's humanity is one of the themes they're going to explore under 343's direction.
 

ryan299

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Does anybody else think that the Chief will be getting powers in Halo 5? I won't be shocked when he does bc of the Librarian
 

GrizzNKev

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Just finished halo 4's singleplayer, it was pretty amazing. I don't have gold so I won't be trying halo 4 online.

Its hard to take chief seriously since he never takes off his damn helmet and you can't read his emotions. Add onto that his monotone voice and it's kind of awkward to see him in these dramatic cortonna/chief scenes. He's almost as bad of a protagonist as kratos is, as far as the player being able to relate to. I guess chief's humanity is one of the themes they're going to explore under 343's direction.

The MC wasn't originally designed to be relatable. There are quite a few quotes from Bungie both past and present saying he was meant to be a vehicle for the player, a shell for you to place yourself in and become the hero that he is. This is something that has obviously changed direction with 343 in control, but it will probably be a while before we see it pay off in any way.
 
The MC wasn't originally designed to be relatable. There are quite a few quotes from Bungie both past and present saying he was meant to be a vehicle for the player, a shell for you to place yourself in and become the hero that he is. This is something that has obviously changed direction with 343 in control, but it will probably be a while before we see it pay off in any way.

He had far more depth in the novels, so there's that.
 

GrizzNKev

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Does anybody else think that the Chief will be getting powers in Halo 5? I won't be shocked when he does bc of the Librarian

He already has powers. Giving him magic would completely invalidate his character (though the chosen one bs in H4 kinda already has).

He had far more depth in the novels, so there's that.

Unfortunately we both know that there are some major consistency issues between the games and the books. At least they have really strong source material to work from.
 
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kittens

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If they are only at the campaign and firefight/spartan ops it's alright, just keep them out of the multiplayer.
Gameplay aside, it would just take an already awful narrative to new extremes. I don't want Chief to be a pre-ordained Superman.
 

MechaZain

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I think 343 did a great job on Halo 4 but not with the story. Books and terminals should supplement the story and it's practically required reading now. It's like Kingdom Hearts without the anime.
 

Hey You

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I'm hoping 343 learned for H5 and not leave who haven't read the books/extras clueless for parts of the campaign again.
Edit: ^
 
Can't wait for the Kotaku article confirming Chief stays allied with the UNSC for Halo 5.

Spellcheck, motherfuckers, do you use it?
 

ryan299

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They know better by now than to do something like that in a game. The vast majority would be completely without context if that was brought up.

Do they? They introduced a hologram Librarian that has powers and barley explained her and what she did to chief.
 

LordOfChaos

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Yes, Halo 4's music as whole was amazing too.

I found it ok, but there were only two or three tracks on the whole album that grabbed me, far too many were just small loops repeating for the whole song. I liked the space opera of Odonnel better than this techno stuff anyways. The old music had a near religious feel of epicness, much of which was lost in 4.

If they did hire Marty that would be amazing. Bring in the best of both worlds.
 

LordOfChaos

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Halo 4 is easily my favorite, but I agree with just about everything you say here. The villain could've been much better, but the sad thing is that he still ended up being better than the villains in any of the other Halo games. I'm confident he'll be back in part 5, so maybe they'll step him up a notch.

I disagree, the Gravemind was a great villain. Maybe not conducive to a huge boss fight or anything, but his intelligence and quotable-ness were great.

The sand planet, is it the Elite's home world?


The concept art, or the trailer? The concept art is almost certainly sanghelios from the two visible suns and the statue of an elite with an energy sword. The trailer is more likely the arc I think.
 

Faith

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Its hard to take chief seriously since he never takes off his damn helmet and you can't read his emotions. Add onto that his monotone voice and it's kind of awkward to see him in these dramatic cortonna/chief scenes. He's almost as bad of a protagonist as kratos is, as far as the player being able to relate to. I guess chief's humanity is one of the themes they're going to explore under 343's direction.
I think you're wrong there. I could read every emotion of him because he was me. That's the concept of a faceless hero.

@Halo 5 discussion
I think 343i has to introduce a new enemy. Not just one, a whole race with thinking individuals, like the Elites in previous Halo games. I don't like the concept of 1 enemy with brainless robots.
 

LordOfChaos

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I think you're wrong there. I could read every emotion of him because he was me. That's the concept of a faceless hero.

@Halo 5 discussion
I think 343i has to introduce a new enemy. Not just one, a whole race with thinking individuals, like the Elites in previous Halo games. I don't like the concept of 1 enemy with brainless robots.

Agreed for the first part - and the motion capture of 4 and onwards greatly enhances the emotions you can see out of the faceless character. The fist clench in the legendary ending is what I keep coming back to, it's such a little thing but if you can read body language, and know Chiefs character doesn't show emotions externally, you know it means a lot.


I'd be interested in some non covanant and promethean enemies too, also non-human (I'm not really down for fighting human rebels). Like that race that crash landed on one of the Halos in the terminal videos. If they achieved space faring so much earlier than the covies or humans, if they havn't wiped themselves out or reset themselves they must be very advanced by now.

And I also believe the forerunners are still alive, what are the chances they saved every other race but no members of their own species? They may just be hiding away not bothering other species.
 
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