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Mirror's Edge E3 2014 "Prototype Gameplay" trailer and DICE message
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The parts where you were getting shot at were just as bad as the parts where you were shooting.
TriAceJP
Member
Cool with me. New levels is all I ask.
Hopefully how fast you come into the pipe climb dictates how you move up it.
I don't like that speed up. Breaks the immersion. Climbing speed was just right in the first game.
To me, the parts where you were forced to use a gun were always in an area where you were getting shot at.
I specifically mean that red warehouse, where you slide under the big door and there are guys on the catwalks firing at you.
I. Freaking. Detested. That area.
Don't really mind all those conceptual and prototype gameplays. You people are spoiled.
Glad it's still alive.
Glad it's still alive.
Thing do feel a little fast. I noticed that on the roll after the zip-line. She almost just floated through it. I loved the feeling of the connection to the earth on movement in the first game.
There's still time to tweak the perception of all that, though. I mean, we're still early enough where most of what they can show is test levels.
KojiKnight
Member
Not even into ME... but gifs and no webms? Disappointed Gaf.
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Sax Russel
Banned
After that trailer last year I was expecting a LOT more than what we got, but at least what we got looked promising. Especially liking the faster moving combat.
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Damn, the combat looks so improved.
Definitely best part of EA's conference along with Battlefront.
Definitely best part of EA's conference along with Battlefront.
Messofanego
Banned
YES
RSB
Banned
Thank you for stopping by. Loved the first Mirror's Edge (easily in my top 5 of last gen) and this sequel/reboot is my most anticipated game of this new gen (no pressure, LOL) Looking great so far, and judging by today's video, it seems you guys "get it" (what made the first game so great) Keep up the good work!
Messofanego
Banned
Hypereides
Member
Nice. Sounds ambitious.
RSB
Banned
There's a shortcut in that room to avoid any kind of confrontation. You can be out of there in like, 5 seconds.
Artstyle looks great, combat is close to what I wanted (not removed and not turned FPS, didn't think of but like it being traversal/ninja jump puzzles), but I'm still so very worried about...
The feel of the traversal was what the game was all about for me, the complexity wasn't at all artificial and felt so immersive with how you had to do the right things at the right time and everything had a logic and perfect weight behind it whether you aced it or totally missed. The feel and the feedback really did make you feel like you were doing the actions rather than watching someone else do them, and if it just becomes First Person AC... that would be enough to make me put it above DX:IW in sequel disappointments.
The feel of the traversal was what the game was all about for me, the complexity wasn't at all artificial and felt so immersive with how you had to do the right things at the right time and everything had a logic and perfect weight behind it whether you aced it or totally missed. The feel and the feedback really did make you feel like you were doing the actions rather than watching someone else do them, and if it just becomes First Person AC... that would be enough to make me put it above DX:IW in sequel disappointments.
How does that jive with the direct quote today which says "We are also committed to provide the best 1st person close combat in the world."? That seems like they're making combat a pretty key focus, and each of their early previews has shown that.
I know they also said "Advanced combat that is integrated into an improved fluidity of movement." I might be happy with combat just being removed, but I feel like combat was one of the things people disliked the MOST about the original game, which makes it kind of funny to try to focus on that.
Take the hallway run in the first game. You could run down a hallway, jump off the wall, vault over the heads of some assault guards, and slam the elevator door without dying.
I want to be able to do THAT, flying past guards, not fighting them, kicking them, Mario goomba'ing them, or whatever.
Why are people so upset about combat. It should be in the game and it should be iterated on. It wasn't the problem of ME, the guns were the problem, and so far I've not seen gunplay. I'd go so far and say the only gun problem of the first game were those dudes in black riot uniforms.
Winter next year if we're lucky. This game still looks a long way from completion.
Looking at the WebM's I'm already starting to notice some of the tweaks to the base mechanics, like the slower animations being sped up a little and the way you can seemingly vault off railings at will (hopefully that suggests a wider overhaul of vaulting as it's one of the more awkward and inconsistent mechanics in the first game).
"Less of a focus" is hard to get anything out of given that the original only has a tiny selection of enemies that get in the way when you know what to do. The stuff so far sounds like they are adding more essentially mandatory combat but completely changing it so it's an extension of the platforming and momentum mechanics rather than something separate, which should be fine as long as you can stick to the kind of instant takedowns shown in the latter half of the video.
"Less of a focus" is hard to get anything out of given that the original only has a tiny selection of enemies that get in the way when you know what to do. The stuff so far sounds like they are adding more essentially mandatory combat but completely changing it so it's an extension of the platforming and momentum mechanics rather than something separate, which should be fine as long as you can stick to the kind of instant takedowns shown in the latter half of the video.
Late next year if anything, imo.
RSB
Banned
Replaying levels and discovering new, faster routes was one of the best things about the game. The game was made to be replayed.
And if the sections with enemies seem too hard (which is completely understandable, especially in your first playthrough) you can always change the difficulty to easy, of course.
Sad to see they're not completely ditching the combat. Sure, it looks better this time, but it's still a completely unnecessary part of the game that prevents it from being truly great. This game should be about constant, uninterrupted movement and traversal. I really don't feel like combat adds anything at all to the series.
Messofanego
Banned
I'm glad they're improving the combat rather than trying to gut it, which seems like a trend with developers' response to criticism of elements.How does that jive with the direct quote today which says "We are also committed to provide the best 1st person close combat in the world."? That seems like they're making combat a pretty key focus, and each of their early previews has shown that.
I know they also said "Advanced combat that is integrated into an improved fluidity of movement." I might be happy with combat just being removed, but I feel like combat was one of the things people disliked the MOST about the original game, which makes it kind of funny to try to focus on that.
Take the hallway run in the first game. You could run down a hallway, jump off the wall, vault over the heads of some assault guards, and slam the elevator door without dying.
I want to be able to do THAT, flying past guards, not fighting them, kicking them, Mario goomba'ing them, or whatever.
Combat should always be an option, but it should never be mandatory. The biggest thrills in Mirror's Edge are about traversing the levels in a unique, fast way, and running from enemies who are obviously more powerful than you are. You know, like Trinity in the Matrix.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yeah. Combat in the original was extremely fun when it went like the way it was shown on the prototype, letting you beeline through enemies while using parkour moves, so I'm really excited if they keep going like that.
Technosteve
Banned
fuck you fuck you fuck you oh god my skin is crawling
Sounds like they have a very small number of people working on the game while the rest of them are chained to whatever crap EA foists on them.
As long as it doesn't lose the spirit of the original then I'm happy to wait as long as it takes. Just make it good!
As long as it doesn't lose the spirit of the original then I'm happy to wait as long as it takes. Just make it good!
RoboGeorgeForeman
Banned
Looks pretty and the gameplay doesn't look bad, but I need to see more before I can say whether or not I really want to play this.
RSB
Banned
True.
IMO, they just have to make sure the combat doesn't break the flow, and it seems that's exactly what they are doing. That, and make every combat section completely optional. Yes, technically, every combat section in ME1 was optional too, but avoiding most of them required really crazy shortcuts, which were pretty much impossible to find in your first playthrough, so they should probably make them more obvious this time.
I think this is where some people may disagree though, including people on this very page.
In the first Mirror's Edge you could play the entire game without touching a non-boss enemy besides one room with a slow door that made you do some takedowns.
I'd like to have that option, running from enemies, dodging past enemies, dodging over enemies, not ever having to fight them.
Good art.
But ... they've actually scaled back the color palette of the game? I remember there being a lot of yellows and greens and oranges, too.
Those waiting rooms throughout the game ranged the whole spectrum.
Spring-Loaded
Member
Improving the combat doesn't not mean they'll make it any more mandatory than the previous game. None of the developers say that's what they're going to do. All this hand-wringing is entirely based on assumptions.
There's yellow and blue in the first art. There's only prototype gameplay in this trailer.
sublimit
Banned
Beautiful.
PedroLumpy
Member
Their comments about 'new player experience' are a little troubling. Mirror's Edge already had a large variety in routes and paths you could take depending on your skill. Not sure what they're worried about.
I hope it all works out fine.
I hope it all works out fine.
Spring-Loaded
Member
My sentiments, but in regards to this thread
I'm not talking about the gameplay. I know that's all test material. I looked at the art.
So I recommend to you: Go back and look at footage of the original game. That was actually a very pleasing game to look at in terms of the wide range of colors they used, and how they filled the frame.
I'm not "displeased" at this one. It just looks... very abstract, is all. Very white.
PedroLumpy
Member
People discuss/theorize/pontificate with the information they're given. And why not? As new information comes, people will re-evaluate.
Spring-Loaded
Member
And there's blue and yellow in addition to the more red in the first artwork
And there are people actively worried about things there's been no indication of, like a focus on combat over parkour. There's a difference between discussion/theorizing/pontification and "the moment they mentioned the word 'combat' I turned off the trailer. The whole games going to be about it
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