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Aisha Tyler on Race, Sexism and Video Games (Q&A)
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Dreams-Visions
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It’s like, “I was hazed. And now I’m going to haze.”
time for some of you to do some soul searching.
she referred very specifically to the Latino character.
time for some of you to do some soul searching.
she referred very specifically to the Latino character.
RockTurtle
Member
And yet....
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
She's the most enthusiastic and best presenter at E3 for me. She's a good looking woman as well, which is just a bonus. Keep kicking ass, and nice interview 
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Well, she's right about the hazing thing. Nerds and geeks turn on other nerds and geeks in a heartbeat to kick the next guy down the ladder in the face.
Though I think much of it isn't merely to "pay it forward" as if getting revenge. Sometimes it's geeks trying to appease an audience to fit in. People are dumb like that and will behave horribly if they feel it gains brownie points for their group social standing.
Though I think much of it isn't merely to "pay it forward" as if getting revenge. Sometimes it's geeks trying to appease an audience to fit in. People are dumb like that and will behave horribly if they feel it gains brownie points for their group social standing.
They can stop for a second and come to terms with the fact that it's okay if not every game is catered directly to them. They could also try not being bigots, but we'll take this one step at a time.
Dreams-Visions
Member
It's more simple than that. People like feeling "in". Powerful. Like they have something exclusive that you don't or can't have. Doesn't matter what context (games, cars, significant others, houses, boats, schools, designer purses, fraternities), people want to have something that they can ascribe value to and then limit access to. Makes them feel validated. The poor are the most susceptible to this, but it knows no bounds.
Homophobic and transphobic assholes? No one is required to give them a platform to spew their crap. They can speak up on their own soapbox, but they really don't deserve to have anyone consider what they have to say.
I like Aisha's responses here, diversity is still something games struggle with, but it is getting better. Character's like Lee, give me fucking hope.
On one hand I don't really want to interfere with the creative process of game design, but on the other hand. . . I also don't think increased representation of minorities in games, is something that will simply happen naturally. I'm not really demanding anything, but I see nothing wrong with asking or requesting for a goddamn thing.
Give me a legitimate reason, a person would not want transgendered or homosexual individuals in their games, straight up? Because I sure as hell can't think of one. Sounds like bigotry, which I do not tolerate.
On one hand I don't really want to interfere with the creative process of game design, but on the other hand. . . I also don't think increased representation of minorities in games, is something that will simply happen naturally. I'm not really demanding anything, but I see nothing wrong with asking or requesting for a goddamn thing.
Give me a legitimate reason, a person would not want transgendered or homosexual individuals in their games, straight up? Because I sure as hell can't think of one. Sounds like bigotry, which I do not tolerate.
MR BLACKMAGIK
Member
That's a good point. I never thought about that.
Thanks for posting this OP. Tyler just got cooler to me.
She did mention Ubisoft, and I had a thought on that...
I think Ubisoft is in a funny place with their characters. Despite Watch_Dogs, they still made characters like Altair, Connor, Aveline, and Adewale in just one series. When it comes to diversity, they're still afraid to do a woman as a lead, but compared to the industry overall, I think they've had a pretty good input so far.
She did mention Ubisoft, and I had a thought on that...
I think Ubisoft is in a funny place with their characters. Despite Watch_Dogs, they still made characters like Altair, Connor, Aveline, and Adewale in just one series. When it comes to diversity, they're still afraid to do a woman as a lead, but compared to the industry overall, I think they've had a pretty good input so far.
Well I guess you now know Aisha that Ubisoft can go fuck itself, by me at least.
And here is the full story.
Video game developer is the latest to receive criticism for excluding women
The lead of AC: Vita is a woman. They did also make Beyond Good & Evil.
It's also very true.
Authority said:
To be fair: They're not necessarily wrong. Modeling women does take some time. I dunno if it takes up huge amounts of time or money like they claim but it is a reasonable response.
Though Ass Creed Brotherhood, Revelations and 3 had female assassins you recruited to use in singleplayer, so it isn't like they can't have women be assassin's in the multiplayer.
Right, that's why I named her. I'm bummed that we don't have her or another female lead in the main games, though.
Wow.
WOW.
Then these bigots are free not to purchase those games. But asking developers to exclude minorities due to bigotry is a vile train of thoughts in case you're not aware of it already.
blankempathy
Member
I kinda dislike aisha's presentations because to me it always comes off as shes trying to prove that she can game because shes a girl. I get that girls get a lot of crap online when they game etc. At the same time I game with females and they never feel they need to "prove" anything to anyone, they simple just game. Its a shame because I think shes a good presenter but i feel like shes talking to me like im 19 years old drinking mt dew and wearing my 360 headset playing cod. To be honest if it was a guy acting making those jokes onstage about getting wood or some of the "gamer" lingo being thrown around not only would I be just as annoyed but I think more people would be too. Just my 2 cents.
By her own admission in today's GAF Q&A she only cares about shooters and occasional action RPGs. I don't think less of her because she's a woman gamer, I think less of her because she has a very narrow field of interest when it comes to gaming
But in all honesty, to each their own. She's quite talented, very intelligent, and I'm all for people putting gaming in a positive light. So kudos to her ^-^
But in all honesty, to each their own. She's quite talented, very intelligent, and I'm all for people putting gaming in a positive light. So kudos to her ^-^
Blackage
Member
Nope, but we do get lick the tears off their faces as their reality crashes around them LGBT characters show up in more places idiotic bigots don't like. ^_^
French accents were too much work too. The struggle is real.
GuessMyUserName
Member
Aisha Tyler's spot on, but your extension is absolutely terrible and offensive. People like sexuality, therefore they must be lonely virgins? Really?
Sectorseven
Member
This is true, but you can't place the blame squarely on gamers. Movies, comics and even book covers were guilty of this years before gaming became a thing.
Seriously, it's like they couldn't be bothered to be historically accurate in a history game.
Well, that people can fuck right off.
No, thats called "racism", pretending that it deserves a lesser word is myopic and callous.
In fairness though, once they aren't speaking historical French it's all a bit academic, no?
Which isn't suprising considering these type of games usual cost alot of money and they're eager to push for the audience they know, that will definetely buy it.
It's the same for gameplay elements, avoiding risks is dictated by the costs.
That doesn't mean those type of games wouldn't work with a different characters, however the research those companies are doing, most likely isn't gonna cover those questions.
The way they used women in Watch Dogs was godawful.
Let us refresh our memory.
They only thing they are fully committed is about giving fucking stupid answers. And here is why,
They could have said,
"While it was never part of our plans, if there is enough interest we will consider creating a DLC for it".
"It is a possibility we are currently evaluating".
Alternatively, they could have,
Removed one Ass and put a Female Character.
One day you will realize (nothing to do with you) that this whole cost-driven argument coming from a bigAss company is bullshit. Adding a woman or a gay character is a burden for them. Nothing about costs. It is all about maintaining the status quo and hiding behind "costs" unless you think a company like Ubi will go bankrupt with a female lead character. If that is the case they might as well remove all female acting and presence and spam men because female voice acting is more costly.
They cannot hide behind this forever. One day, one Ubisoft employee's tongue will slip and I hope they get the shitstorm they deserve.
That's more along the lines of sex sells and portraying sexuality. It's actually quite fascinating because in an interactive medium, having attractive characters also leads to the "waifu" mentality. It's why even in movies like Avatar you see a beautiful Na'Vi modeled after Zoe Saldana. This isn't new by any means. Marketers and researchers have long found this to be the case. Especially for companion characters. So if you know teen boys are going to be a large segment of the population, you'll have this attractive, character that people will remember long after the game is off. Characters people create fan fiction of, develop a strong "relationship" with as funny as that sounds.
I agree more realistic portrayals are needed, less bouncy bosoms and paper thin waists and more muscular or "real" curves, but it's not abiut I never had a woman of my own or objectifying them in a sense.
buddha0991
Member
Just gonna state that it is not 4 different characters, everyone plays as Arno, and appears as a random assassin to the rest of the players. There should be a female assassin MC again, but it is not a make one of the four a female, because everyone is Arno, and everyone else is just a random. They could put in females in the random pool though.
Stop this BS. It's disgusting how every single time women or minorities bring up the issue about their lack of portrayal in video games, someone always whinge how they're just trying to show off or shove the issues in our faces.
Guess what? If there have been decent representation of women and minorities in the first place maybe they didn't have to bring it up in the first place.
Maybe if you're not trying to dismiss their concerns with the usual round of pathetic "I have (insert female or minorities) friends and they never feel the need to bring this up/prove anything" vitriol, then they would not feel ignored in the first place.
blankempathy
Member
I never said anything about what she said off stage now did I? I'm merely commenting on her stage performance. Did I actively point out and discuss what she said regarding female representation in the gaming community?
I actually think blankempathy meant that Aisha comes off as forced and dudebro-ish in her delivery during live presentations, not that he's tired of her complaining about sexism or lack of representation in games.
I don't agree (think she has a great personality on stage), but yeah, not getting any ill will from his post.
edit: To clarify, a lot of the men on stage at E3 over the years are horrifically awful on stage and the words coming out of their mouths feel very forced and unnatural. Either from over-rehearsing, poorly rehearsing, bad scripts and underestimating viewership's sophistication and pandering to a perceived simplistic/dumb gamer.
I don't agree (think she has a great personality on stage), but yeah, not getting any ill will from his post.
edit: To clarify, a lot of the men on stage at E3 over the years are horrifically awful on stage and the words coming out of their mouths feel very forced and unnatural. Either from over-rehearsing, poorly rehearsing, bad scripts and underestimating viewership's sophistication and pandering to a perceived simplistic/dumb gamer.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
This entire post is exactly what she talking about. She made a joke. She wasn't trying to be hardcore. She wasn't trying to prove herself as a " gamer ".
She was just being her nerdy self.
The fact that a man can do this and never be doubted nor not look as if he was trying to "prove" himself but for a women, it has to always be about proving herself, is entirely ridiculous. Her stage presence is no different than anyone who goes up there and talks.
blankempathy
Member
Actually I said id be annoyed if someone was presenting on stage and did that too even if he was a man. Really don't care to hear about someone getting wood when they're presenting games on stage, man or woman. Though im glad she didn't bring that up this year. fyi none of this is about me dismissing her claims or dismissing women representation in the gaming community. I swear I can't say anything negative about a woman in the gaming community because then I'm being dismissive of the real issues going on.
You basically said she tried too hard. For what? You don't even know her. Maybe that's her personality. And why did you bring up your female friends and how they don't feel the need to prove themselves? What does that got to do wih Aisha? Do all female have to act/behave the same to you to be acceptable?
Mutanthands
Member
No I was truly puzzled... And still am... At just why you posted.
I don't know, I just thought she might be someone of relevancy. Turns out she's not.
blankempathy
Member
Personality or not like I said her hosting style isn't for me. I'm nearly 30 I dont find weed references funny sorry. And yea I said she tries too hard. Guess thats my opinion huh? Like I said before if it were a guy on stage making jokes about weed and boners I'd be annoyed too. You know its funny. People want to support minorities and women in gaming and think they should be more represented which I agree with. Then at the same time some of those same people want to make everything about that too including against people who might have a negative opinion against a minority or female. You know I shouldn't have brought up my female friends but im sorry certain types of people I just find annoying including "grrl gamers". Not saying that Aisha is one of those types though. Anyways I'm criticizing Aisha the e3 host. Not Aisha the person. When you do something public expect critisim just like I expect getting critiszed on this forum if I post something I dont like. At the same time im not harassing her on twitter saying she sucks etc. Merely making a comment on a forum board.
Forgive me for not fawning over... What exactly is she again?
I mean, ohhh, stop the presses... Aisha Tyler got something to say. Who gives a rat's ass.
Aisha mother effin' Tyler. Raise your scope people, expand your horizons beyond People magazine. SMH.