Sure, but they did great right off the bat before piracy was a widespread thing.
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Wii U hacked?
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baphomet
Member
I would say DS started doing great around when piracy was enabled. I had one at launch and it was, honestly, probably the worst software launch I've ever seen. They didn't start doing really well until Nintendogs released as far as I remember, and piracy was easily possibly at that point. It's all semantics though. I agree with he playstation though, it did extremely well out of the gate.
Looks like they've even figured out the decryption key on a per disc basis. I'm assuming these are the files on a ripped Wii U disc?
http://pastie.org/pastes/7760175/text
http://pastie.org/pastes/7760175/text
I wish this was true, try every 3-4 years D:
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
"Falling on his sword" does not mean actual seppeuku in modern times. Especially as its a common phrase in corporate culture.
stop being so sensitive.
Reading the files will be easy. Modifying the contents requires the private key, which I assume Nintendo learned how to properly secure (aka: do not include it in the console or games) this time.
Portugeezer
Gold Member
Wii took 5 years to get a Zelda game... 5 fucking years. TP was a GCN port so that doesn't count.
Good lord, Nintendo need to fix this, need to have 3 years max between console Zelda games.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
Yeah but because there are portable versions coming out in between it still feels like a lot. Any more and it would be too much. Some people think it already is.
Not if Nintendo could stop the piracy for at least 2 years, the PS3/360/Wii/DS etc were hacked and pirated but didn't stop PS3/360/Wii/DS because they had a high enough install base.
So that could mean: Extra security measures in newer consoles, ninja door knocking to the developers and producers of these said chips and finally firmware updates?
Possible, Nintendo said they know about what the people are doing and said "not to worry".
Obviously they will not go and say ' we are doomed and lets begin panic mode ' .
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Do you have any numbers showing how many people who buy a console will pirate on it vs the number of people who don't and a way to filter out the ones who only buy the system because it can pirate?
They certainly did not sell 100 million WiiKeys,
That's very true, but a part of me thinks Nintendo doesn't want their system to be pirated, especially this early in the console's life.
Hesemonni
Banned
Yes. That is exactly what will happen. And piracy is the only reason behind it. /sarcasm.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Its a hard thing to measure. The Wii was broken open by softmods, about as easy as the PSP's, but there was a period of time a few years after where the Wii scene quieted down and moved on (Maybe because the console was...?)
However, via Piratebay, I never seen any single game get more than over a couple hundred thousand downloads. It hurts small games like Muramasa more because the gamers who would be into that game might be more technically inclined, but it's not that big a deal for bigger games like Call of Duty that go on to sell a million either way.
There was a list compiled of most torrented games, and there were quite a surprising amount of 'smaller scale' titles in the top 25.
StoppedInTracks
Member
25GB+ iso sizes + no region unlocking makes this pretty worthless for me.
There are no 100% hard numbers for several reasons (there aren't any two consoles where everything was equal except the availability of pirated games), but that's not important: it's publishers who decide things and if they think they'll sell less due to piracy, they'll take that in account.
Inspectah_Deck
Member
VENOM released the decryption key with the game.
crediar (famous Wii hacker) decrypted the game with it and posted that pastie.
Here is the (complete) venom.nfo with the AES key blanked out:
test_account
XP-39C²
That is true, although i think those games have still been encrypted. It was the same with PS3 games as well, they were dumped some years before the PS3 was hacked, but they didnt know how to decrypt them at the time.
Didnt the Nintendo rep just say that they knew about the group and their reports?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Wait, what medium carries the AES key if the latter is per-game? The game disk itself? That would require that the key was encrypted via a higher-level-of-trust encryption scheme, so basically that latter scheme should be the one they've hacked if they have the actual AES-256 key. Or am I missing something?
Beer Monkey
Member
I heard Lego City Undercover from the E-store is 25GB, which is ridiculous. I just have a hard time imagining it could take up that much space when stuff like Alan Wake is like 3GB without cutscenes. Even as an open-world game.
Are ALL of the full retail E-store games 25GB? Because that's kind of ridiculous.
(Yes, this has nothing to do with hacking, it just makes me wonder how big of an HDD you need to support Wii U through digital delivery)
Are ALL of the full retail E-store games 25GB? Because that's kind of ridiculous.
(Yes, this has nothing to do with hacking, it just makes me wonder how big of an HDD you need to support Wii U through digital delivery)
Inspectah_Deck
Member
There are like 15 selectable languages in Lego City + high resolution Textures and i think the cutscenes are videos, this can easily fill up the space.
Many PS3 exclusives have similiar sizes.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
NSMBU is like 2GB, and NintendoLand is a bit over 3GB, IIRC.
What I remember of Wii ISOs is that many were padded to fill up a 4.7GB DVD. For example, Nintendo games were often gigabytes smaller than their disc's capacity and could be "scrubbed" to remove the filler data.
1080p video and uncompressed audio, most likely. Nintendo's own games are much, much smaller (2 or 3GB) and they never seem to use video clips. Tekken was 17GB and Monster Hunter is around 6GB.
KojiKnight
Member
This. It sounds to me like they weren't planning for the game to be released on eShop, and thus the game wasn't "optimized" for it.
If you don't plan on releasing a game digitally, there is little reason NOT to take full advantage of all that extra space by using uncompressed videos/audios/other assets. It saves (a little) CPU/GPU usage and will generally stream just fine.
guggnichso
Banned
So this hack basically enables nothing but piracy on the system? No Region unlocking at all?
Fuck this shit.
Fuck this shit.
sakipon
Member
It kinda sounds like he grew up.
In any case there are good points in there, especially regarding the amount of creative homebrew vs. the amount of piracy.
Basileus777
Member
It's interesting to think about how the proliferation of other devices could protect the security of consoles. What use is there really for cracking them open other than piracy when there are so many other devices that can do the things you'd want homebrew for? The only particularly interesting thing about the WiiU's hardware is the gamepad, and if that can be used with a PC, what's left?
Palette Swap
Member
I'd say the 3 biggest uses I'd find are:
- full digital backups of retail games. That could essentially be used for piracy but a legitimate user could just buy physical copies of games and rip them themselves, if only to avoid buying digital stuff from Nintendo. I know I'd be in that case as a user as I've been with PS2 and Wii (buying my games and copying them to a HDD).
- region unlocking. Self explanatory. If not, read the xenoblade threads from when the game released in Europe. Or read any Persona 4 Arena thread.
- fan translations and patches.
- XBMC. I currently use it with my PC+ iPad but having it in WiiU could streamline the process a bit more. No piracy here, I use it mostly with my ripped DVD collection (for convenience and space).
These probably don't look like much to most people but I'd definitely have uses for a fully developed home brew scene. The worst possible scene would be one where only pirates would find uses for it.
At some point the constant harassment from people wanting to pirate games should become annoying enough to make someone question if it's really worth the massive effort.
yeah, it's the end. Better pack it up. Nintendo will cancel his E3 show in a couple of hours.
Doomed.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
He's clearly demotivated. Which explains the heap of pseudo-rationale he gave at the start of his post (e.g. hacking has seldom been about 'hey I can have a cheap PC in my livingroom!').
What's really curious in that post is the lwarx/stwcx footnote. I wonder how much that was by design and now much an actual silicon bug. If the latter, it begs the question if nintendo are well aware of that, or they're suffering from it.. Perhaps the effect can be observed from vWii? Hmm.
Hmm2: After enabling SMP, naturally.
I have never thought about this, but he's absolutely right when he says that homebrew on closed systems isn't appealing anymore.
Everyone can become an iOS/Android/PC developer nowadays and Sony and Nintendo are opening up their gates to indie developers too. If you want to make a game or app, you can distribute it openly to a large market instead of to a small homebrew community which is constantly at risk of being shut down by firmware updates.
Everyone can become an iOS/Android/PC developer nowadays and Sony and Nintendo are opening up their gates to indie developers too. If you want to make a game or app, you can distribute it openly to a large market instead of to a small homebrew community which is constantly at risk of being shut down by firmware updates.
Interesting. Wii U hacked to allow output to a computer monitor instead of the GamePad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt2-IRiWd40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt2-IRiWd40
The thing with Wii U homebrew (or HB for any other modern console, really) is that making a proper homebrew SDK now takes a ton more effort due to complex GPUs, multicore and whatnot, which means most of the effort made in hacking the system will be wasted in running running backups of commercial games and emulators (which are also mostly running backups of commercial games).
Time for a bump, it looks like Mario Kart 8 online is going to get ugly soon enough, the people who reverse engineered Mario Kart wii have already begun on mario kart 8 thanks to a new browser exploit in the Wii U os.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cS66tbIrEg
Also, Cobra is releasing a ODE like the wii u key.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cS66tbIrEg
Also, Cobra is releasing a ODE like the wii u key.
Is there a way they could do this then make it widespread to force Nintendo's hand?
sakipon
Member
I doubt they will. Ruining online multiplayer and enabling "homebrew applications" seems to be the priority for most hackers. Even if they would, Wii already had a hack to make it region free and it had no effect on Nintendo allowing it either for Wii or the Wii U.
Better to stick to your GAF friend list and the GAF races I guess.
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