Support NeoGAF

[TRI Mike]

Most likely a timed. Still, I'm glad I own all three consoles.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

How in the WORLD would someone from Crystal Dynamics find out before vultures like TMZ? Or Huffington Post?

Think about that for at least thirty seconds.

I thought you were referring to respected outlets when you cited "the media", and not a source like TMZ, which is why I asked you for the first source.

No need to be a dick about it.

 

[Kamina]

Shows up for me.

When i click on the linked tweets here i can see it just fine, but his main site gives me an error...

 

[alice_kiss_lara]

i fucking hate microsoft now
why dont they just build their own team and develop their own exclusive games??

 

[jet1911]

Well, there you go. This is how Microsoft competes. They pay publishers good money to remove games from other platforms while in development.

Big bad Microsoft is obviously the only one to do this too.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Will buy for $5 steam sale, I guess. I would have probably bought day one too. :

 

[MMaRsu]

He seems kinda bitter about it? But how could CD not know about the deal.

Respawn didnt know that MS bought exclusivity for Titanfall until EA told the world.

 

[shinra-bansho]

To be fair, every single time they nabbed a third party exclusive in recent memory, there's a negative shitstorm. Even in cases like Dead Rising 3 and Titanfall, when they were directly responsible for the continued existence of those games' development cycle.

Context is key. Expectations and the upending of those expectations is what results in backlash/surprise/controversy.

And I don't think anyone expected this game to be announced to now be exclusive.

The Bayonetta reaction is probably most analogous, as it was something no one expected, considering the prior platforms for the first game.

If the next Dragon Age or the next Elder Scrolls or the next GTA is announced as an exclusive to any platform (which is highly unlikely) you better believe there'll be a negative shitstorm.

 

[Calcium]

Exclusives differentiate you from the competition and give you something unique that can only be played on your system, so it's obvious what MS wants out of this, but I don't understand what Square gets out of this beyond the money. With the PS4 selling as well as it is, and given that the reboot sold better on Sony platforms (based on what someone else posted earlier on in this thread, not sure how accurate it is), I really have to wonder what the hell Square was thinking. Here you have a new franchise that struggled financially and you're going to cut off the majority of people that made it a success? Other than a fat cheque up-font, how does this benefit the franchise in the long run? I just don't get what Square's long-term vision is when they pull a move like this.

Yeah, it is puzzling. You also have to wonder what this is going to do to sales of the Osiris Tomb Raider game on PS4/PC. I can't imagine people will be willing to support CD after this.

 

[Dragonborn]

Person that told me about many MS 'things' previously is telling me it's indeed a timed exclusive.

Well that's good to hear. UC4 in 2015, TR in 2016. Let's hope MS doesn't pull a TF.

The thing is, if it is timed then what's event he point? This news is going to spread and it'll take away most of the steam of it being "exclusive".

Big bad Microsoft is obviously the only one to do this too.

Yup, unless you have some examples of Sony/Nintendo moneyhatting games recently?

 

[Megatron]

I really want Rise of the Tomb Raider and Uncharted 4 to release In the same month next year so we can have a NPD battle! I'm buying both games day 1, so I'll be no help.

 

[BronsonLee]

After all this nonsense, I would legit bust out laughing if Sony comes up with their Gamescom conference and announces Rise of the Tomb Raider in like Spring 2016

 

[HardRojo]

It should really be fixed to take out Destiny, Watch_Dogs, Mortal Kombat, whichever NBA game it's representing, MLB2K unless that's The Show being represented (which it probably is), Elder Scrolls Online, and yeah as much as it hurts Sony fans MGS too, cause none of those games are exclusive. Is the 2014 Tomb Raider even PS4 exclusive? Mural seems like desperate propaganda.

They are coming to PlayStation either way and I don't understand the need to use this line: "as much as it hurts Sony fans"

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Two petitions, and both from NY. Didn't know that was TR fan central.

People are out with their pitchforks with this decision lol.

But seriously, bad from a longer-term PR perspective.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Threads like this are why I avoid the gaming section so much these days. Lol! I mean, it's exclusive for a few months and I'm sure everyone here will have plenty of other stuff to play by then. Instead, people lose their shit. It's not being published by Microsoft, so it will come out on other platforms (can't wait for PC), just not when people thought. Just think of it as a delay and move on.

 

[wetflame]

And is not the same designed Lara Croft featured in the TR games either, and coming out on other platforms that aren't the PS4.

....Yes? I was just commenting on how people are laughing at Lara being in that mural when the character with that design is definitely on PS4. Obviously that's not a boat full of exclusives as the guy from Watch_Dogs (Watch_Doug?) is there too.

 

[Leafhopper]

i fucking hate microsoft now
why dont they just build their own team and develop their own exclusive games??

They do?

....Yes? I was just commenting on how people are laughing at Lara being in that mural when the character with that design is definitely on PS4. Obviously that's not a boat full of exclusives as the guy from Watch_Dogs (Watch_Doug?) is there too.

True, I wasn't really thinking about TRE. My bad.

 

[Mononoke]

Honestly, "pissed off" strikes me as a bit excessive. I'd stop at "being bummed" as being a response I can empathize with. Honestly, if it were up to me, every game could come out on every platform possible and I'd be happy. But when large corporations are competing directly against each other for a share of the same pie, I've been in this hobby long enough to understand that investments for exclusivity come with the territory. And I'm not saying that everyone else can't draw their own lines on what is and isn't acceptable, but I personally don't see it as a very fruitful exercise to try and delineate between which partnerships were on the up-and-up and which are sleazeball moves made by greedy executives in smoke-filled board rooms wherein I clearly am referring to the kind of smoke that can only come from expensive cigars lit with one hundred dollar bills.

Don't you think apart of being a business/company though, is how you are perceived in the larger context of the industry you are in? That making certain business practices, can sour that perception/relationship?

I mean I get it. I get that MS is a company. I get that GAF is just a community of gamers who are passionate about their hobby, but aren't running a major corporation (so they have no financial investment). But this idea to me that, it's okay to cut out the majority of a fan base from a series they've already started...just seems fuckin scummy.

I get it's business, but is it really a good business move, when MS has to keep working within this industry, and rely on gamers/consumers to buy their products? Hell, shifting away from MS, I question the same thing from CD. I get for them, it's guaranteed money vs. risk (ie. same thing for Titanfall. Although TR is an established franchise, whereas that was a new IP taking major risk). But alienating the majority of the fan base just seems like a bad idea (from a business sense) in the larger scheme of things.

I dunno. To me this just seems wrong. Like I said earlier, I get exclusives. I just don't like the idea of exclusives being made from established multi-plat franchises, especially when it involves cutting out the majority of the consumers that supported it in the first place.

 

[D'ultimate]

Yes, making the system more attractive to buyers is what they should be doing. Jeez, it's like people forget this is a business. This has been going on for decades. They are competing for money, they are not people's friends. If you want to play the game in Holiday 2015, you can buy and XBO and play it; if not, have fun with the hundreds of other games available. It's not anti-consumer. I feel like people treat this like a holy war or something when it's just entertainment. It amazes me how such an ostensibly hardcore gaming forum gets so tied up in what system a game is on after all these years, when you would think that when gaming is such an important hobby to most members, they would understand the industry and the competition and simply say, "Hey that system now has a lot of games I'm interested in, maybe I'll pick it up", instead of "MS/Sony/Nintendo is an anti-consumer devil who is restricting my enjoyment of my only console; I'll never buy their systems even if they have games I like because I made one choice and I'm sticking to it forever."

I know this was way back when in this fast moving thread but I wanted to quote this as it's very well put.

 

[Ceebs]

Not that I thought the reboot was anything special, but this seems beyond stupid for Square-Enix. Isn't the first sequel where you really try to grow your franchise and increase the strength of the brand? How is taking away a massive portion of potential customers going to accomplish that?

No way I would have even considered this deal for less than some absurd amount of money that would probably buy the Tomb Raider IP outright.

 

[Bombless]

I found out about this through RPS' John Walker :

"Hello Microsoft, this is Square Enix. We were wondering, do you know any ways we could at least halve sales of Tomb Raider? ... You DO?!"

I laughed.

 

[icespide]

Person that told me about many MS 'things' previously is telling me it's indeed a timed exclusive.

and there it is

 

[MMaRsu]

Big bad Microsoft is obviously the only one to do this too.

Please tell me for what games Sony bought exclusivity after it was announced as multiplat?

Hmm Im waiting curiously.

 

[woen]

They want their Uncharted, but this isn't how you build a popular series of game with the best level of quality in both game design and graphics. It won't sell much bundles, it won't become the "Xbox uncharted" and will be a challenger, and it could make some potential XBO buyers stay away from the system because of the way MS do business. I'm not convinced by the strategy (for MS, for TR/SE)

Nintendo chose the right move with Bayonetta 2. MS just dit imho a poor move.

 

[Izuna]

i fucking hate microsoft now
why dont they just build their own team and develop their own exclusive games??

I am never going to stop finding this hilarious.

 

[manueldelalas]

I can't believe some people are saying this is a bad move by Microsoft. This is a GENIUS move.

Sure, you may be butthurt now, but the hurt passes, and what you'll see this holiday are the games each system has to offer.

If you hate MSFT for this move, then it means you had already decided against buying an Xbone before this, so you are mad because you'll not be able to enjoy this particular game. But if you had an Xbone on your plans, or if you were considering it, then this move will increase the odds of you getting the Xbone.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I don't think it would be smart from Microsoft to make it a timed exclusive.
After people saw what happened to Ryse and DeadRising I doubt many will buy an XboxOne for a game that'll be on other systems a few months later.

Either full exclusivity or bust.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

What a waste of money. I don't think TR will sell Xbones.

This thread is 3 hours old and has over 3,000 replies. While TR may not sell X1s on its own, as a significant addition to the X1's exclusive library, it will be hard to ignore.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Exclusives differentiate you from the competition and give you something unique that can only be played on your system, so it's obvious what MS wants out of this, but I don't understand what Square gets out of this beyond the money. With the PS4 selling as well as it is, and given that the reboot sold better on Sony platforms (based on what someone else posted earlier on in this thread, not sure how accurate it is), I really have to wonder what the hell Square was thinking. Here you have a new franchise that struggled financially and you're going to cut off the majority of people that made it a success? Other than a fat cheque up-font, how does this benefit the franchise in the long run? I just don't get what Square's long-term vision is when they pull a move like this.

As someone said, there is some merit in avoiding a H2H matchup with Uncharted in Fall 2015 on PS4.

I don't think it would be smart from Microsoft to make it a timed exclusive.
After people saw what happened to Ryse and DeadRising I doubt many will buy an XboxOne for a game that'll be on other systems a few months later.

Either full exclusivity or bust.

But people did buy the Xbox One at launch for Ryse and Dead Rising, they were two of the 5 best selling games. People also bought Xbone to play Titanfall even though it was on PC and released a month later on 360. Even a small exclusivity window will move units, that's unquestioned.

 

[Nephtes]

Basically, they just took millions of fans hostage.

Keep calm! Dont make any sudden moves! We're sending in SEAL Team Six to Redmond to save you from your Microsoft captors!

 

[keit4]

Please tell me for what games Sony bought exclusivity after it was announced as multiplat?

Hmm Im waiting curiously.

From the top of my head: Everybody's gone to the Rapture.

 

[SoldnerKei]

nice try Microsoft, but I won't buy a Xbob juan just for Lara

 

[Zoned]

Did ntkrnl or any other insider posted anything related to this kind of MS deal with a third party publisher?

 

[Dragonborn]

I am never going to stop finding this hilarious.

What's the joke? I want in on it

From the top of my head: Everybody's gone to the Rapture.

You mean the game they're funding, helping with, and publishing?

 

[KissVibes]

I thought you were referring to respected outlets when you cited "the media", and not a source like TMZ, which is why I asked you for the first source.

No need to be a dick about it.

Huffington Post is a respected outlet. And TMZ may be trashy, but they break stories all the time first because they're soulless hounds.

All I did was ask you to think about it. I don't see how that's dickish.

 

[TheChaos0]

I've only read the first 5 pages but this is so weird of a decision. It almost makes no sense at all, unless MS shelled out a lot, a lot, a lot of money. SE was disappointed with 6 million sales and being a Xbox exclusive, I fear it won't even do half of that.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

i cant believe no one on here has clicked it is to avoid Uncharted 4.. release it a few months later and avoid sales, but still get sales in the mean time off xbox and a nice little deal on the side..

 

[Nyteshade517]

I'll take your word for it. They way they've been so vague about this. Made it sound like a timed exclusive.

The problem is Respawn did the same thing with Titanfall...vague doublespeak about coming to PS platforms then EA made the deal to make it exclusive when it was only a timed exclusive before. I'll take Shinobi's word for it but if it ends up being the same situation I wouldn't be shocked.

These types of deals are terrible for gamers no matter if you're on Playstation, XBOX, or PC. They do nothing but stir up hate and mudslinging and cause the franchise the deal is made for take a hit.

 

[UnlovedJew]

and there it is

Yup, no way it's entirely exclusive.

 

[Megatron]

Will buy for $5 steam sale, I guess. I would have probably bought day one too. :

Lol. "They're going to make me wait a year to play their game?! Fuck them, I will now wait 3 years to play it! I will show them!" Keep on fighting the good fight man.

 

[Tugatrix]

Square Enix is doing a big mistake, in terms of pure management restricting a game to one platform when you are not a small studio like remedy or naughty dog, it's suicide. Take also in consideration that Tomb Raider is one theirs biggest titles.

 

[failgubbe]

Person that told me about many MS 'things' previously is telling me it's indeed a timed exclusive.

Timed as in it's coming to PS4 or just PC?

 

[captmcblack]

Ehh, it's Tomb Raider.

If it was a LOT of these IPs that were timed/wholly exclusive all at once, it would really move the needle.

But I don't know that Tomb Raider is going to be the reason people buy XB1s instead of PS4s, especially if this is only just a timed exclusive and the GOTY/Definitive/Sigma/Director's Cut edition will come out for the big TR fans on PC/PS4 before 2016's through.

 

[crazy buttocks on a train]

The point is that it will probably remain exclusive for at least 3 years; could release on PC before, but this is what an exclusive is, sorry to break reality on you.

Uh no




no

 

[Hoje0308]

Well, there you go. This is how Microsoft competes. They pay publishers good money to remove games from other platforms while in development.

To be fair, they have invested in first party studios, but they need time to produce and then grow into something good or great. MS still needs to compete in the meantime though and this is a way to do that, especially when you have more cash on hand than your direct competitor.


Edit: Reading the posts in between my own, and this place is going to be a goddamn graveyard before the day is out. I'm outta here guys, see you in the Sony presser thread.

Edit 2: And holy shit, CBOAT just pulled into the harbor.

 

[MORTALIS]

Video Games

 

[Mononoke]

Uh no




no

 

[HellofaMouse]

oh microsoft. they have nothing to offer, so they pay ppl to not release their game on other platforms.

invest in studios damnit, create your own franchises.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Threads like this are why I avoid the gaming section so much these days. Lol! I mean, it's exclusive for a few months and I'm sure everyone here will have plenty of other stuff to play by then. Instead, people lose their shit. It's not being published by Microsoft, so it will come out on other platforms (can't wait for PC), just not when people thought. Just think of it as a delay and move on.

You, sir, are a mouthful.

 

[icespide]

the idea that they wanted to avoid uncharted on PS4 makes some sense