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Not like this. Not like this.
Well you can be cynical and speculate that everything will turn out the absolute worst but that doesn't mean it's true. MS had to backtrack from hiding apps behind paywalls so the current trend is actually the opposite of this - more companies are actually moving toward adding value to dubs (usually with free games) instead of taking otherwise free features away.
You say that now. Then you get hit with early Access DLC and other things exclusive to Access members that used be open to everyone. Before you know it, you're subscribed to all of them and in their crap so deep that you're going to drown.
We're going to end up paying for the right to pay for their games.
If we are playing the "what if" game
What if, the console space becomes so unattractive for risk vs reward they all just say fuck it and start their own services on Android or Apple gaming boxes and divert other resources strictly to mobile gaming?
fun eh?
In economics when you lower the price demand tends to increase. Due to Access' low cost it should increase interest and demand...not lead to a crash.The next step toward the inevitable industry crash.
Shit has to get worse before it can get better.
Shh, no argumentative skills, only hyperbole now.The difference, though, is that you're being facetious and unrealistic in order to divert attention from the obvious point I'm raising that in the end this isn't done for the good of the consumer.
If we are playing the "what if" game
What if, the console space becomes so unattractive for risk vs reward they all just say fuck it and start their own services on Android or Apple gaming boxes and divert other resources strictly to mobile gaming?
fun eh?
The difference, though, is that you're being facetious and unrealistic in order to divert attention from the obvious point I'm raising that in the end this isn't done for the good of the consumer.
Well you can be cynical and speculate that everything will turn out the absolute worst but that doesn't mean it's true. MS had to backtrack from hiding apps behind paywalls so the current trend is actually the opposite of this - more companies are actually moving toward adding value to dubs (usually with free games) instead of taking otherwise free features away.
I like the innovation behind this. It's the digital age, and it's nice seeing companies capitalizing on it.
You say that now. Then you get hit with early Access DLC and other things exclusive to Access members that used be open to everyone. Before you know it, you're subscribed to all of them and in their crap so deep that you're going to drown.
We're going to end up paying for the right to pay for their games.
You'll accept paying more to a higher number of intermediaries as we do now, and we will lose a fantastic oportunity to redefine the business as we know it.
Putting dlc behind a pay wall is the exact opposite of what they are trying to do here by giving more people access to dlc. I just don't see that happening...
In a worst case scenario all I can see is some preorder exclusive type dlc that doesn't effect the game much.
It would be suicide of them to lock behind a pay wall anything that effects the quality of the game or restricts players access to dlc.
what is this opportunity and who leads it?
Almost everything that tries to deviate from the standard model that has been in place since the NES is met with outcries
Again, I do not care about EA. I am interested in seeing the industry evolve and stay viable.
I don't see the industry evolving into something viable if people somehow get tricked into monthly subscriptions to EA/Ubi only games It is really really dangerous for everyone apart of EA/Ubi.
So happy to have read mr Yoshida interview about this topic, He is absolutely right to have rejected EA Access. In fact he said
The statement might look aggressive. But the thinking behind it is, we just do not look at one proposition, like EA Access. We look at the whole offering of the titles or services on the platform, and we thought about the impact of having something like that as a new symptom. If every publisher follows suit, and as a consumer you have to choose by publisher which service to subscribe to, that's not something we believe is best for consumers.
So we are not just looking at that one proposition. We were thinking about the impact that might have for the future offering of products and services on PlayStation.
What if, the console space becomes so unattractive for risk vs reward they all just say fuck it and... divert other resources strictly to mobile gaming?
No, it's not nice seeing it.
What you're seeing is a war which was predicted since a long time ago. EA/Ubi and the big publishers don't want to lose their dominant position in what's their business. Distributing.
The point of going digital is to say FUCK OFF to publishers and dealers and have a more direct path between the producer and the consumer.
That brings the profit up and the price down for both in a win-win scenario.
If we allow the big publishers to establish their rules, then it's over. You'll accept paying more to a higher number of intermediaries as we do now, and we will lose a fantastic oportunity to redefine the business as we know it.
Shh, no argumentative skills, only hyperbole now.
Pic equating EA Access to nuclear war
Why are people caring about this? It is all VOLUNTARY!! You dont have to subscribe you morons.
If you think they are going to put there dlc behind this paywall I think you must be retarded...
Putting dlc behind a pay wall is the exact opposite of what they are trying to do here
In a worst case scenario all I can see is some preorder exclusive type dlc that doesn't effect the game much.
You defend this stuff but In a matter of two pages you start to move the goalposts... yep i am sure nothing will happen.
In a worst case scenario all I can see is some preorder exclusive type dlc that doesn't effect the game much.
That was fast lolYou defend this stuff but In a matter of two pages you start to move the goalposts... yep i am sure nothing will happen.
I blame Microsoft. They let the fox into the henhouse.
I won't hide I always find absolutely laughable people who dismiss being suspicious and prejudicial toward companies like EA or Ubisoft as "complete hysteria".
It's like they don't have any kind of historical memory whatsoever. I mean, how many times do you need to be slapped, over and over and over, before you can start to realize that giving them carte blanche in a "wait and see" approach is generally not a good idea?
Sure, if you feel that way. I don't. Many others don't, either.There can't be a happy medium? Have cautious optimism?
100% agreed. One is entitled to his or her opinion, but a dash of skepticism never hurt anybody when dealing with a multi billion dollar industry that's modeling a new product after the 2 time worst company in America winner's latest offering.Sure, if you feel that way. I don't. Many others don't, either.
And I don't think any "cautiously optimistic" person has any right to try to mock anyone for being skeptic and prejudicial, considering of what companies we are talking about right here.
Sure, if you feel that way. I don't. Many others don't, either.
And I don't think any "cautiously optimistic" person has any right to try to mock anyone for being skeptic and prejudicial, considering of what companies we are talking about right here.
From Ubisoft's CEO.
Source: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...ndo-customers-don-t-buy-assassin-s-creed.aspx
what is this opportunity and who leads it?
Almost everything that tries to deviate from the standard model that has been in place since the NES is met with outcries
Again, I do not care about EA. I am interested in seeing the industry evolve and stay viable.
There can't be a happy medium? Have cautious optimism?
There's no happy medium here, once the Pandora's box is open there's no putting the genie back into the bottle. We're looking at multiple publishers each with their own subscription service, some might think it's a good thing but we're essentially looking at an oligopoly of publishers making smaller publishers and independent published games less viable, this might already be inevitable.
Well you can be cynical and speculate that everything will turn out the absolute worst but that doesn't mean it's true. MS had to backtrack from hiding apps behind paywalls so the current trend is actually the opposite of this - more companies are actually moving toward adding value to dubs (usually with free games) instead of taking otherwise free features away.
Except that that DLC is tied to your sub and if you cancel you lose your paid content as well as the free stuff. Want it back? Better get your credit card out then.
Stop spreading misinformation. The games are tied to your sub, but the DLC is not. I bought Peggle 2 DLC for my owned copy of Peggle 2. If I cancel my sub, I don't lose that DLC.
Stop misreading what I said.
EXCLUSIVE ACCESS CONTENT.
So happy to have read mr Yoshida interview about this topic, He is absolutely right to have rejected EA Access. In fact he said
Yoshida was right.
Enjoy the slippery slope.
It makes perfect business sense to try to get people to subscribe to your thing, Ubisoft had a Uplay exclusive preorder bonus version of Watchdogs ffs.
Gamestop does it too and no one seems to give a flying fuck in the end. I mean Gamestop doesn't even exist around here.
But like you said, everyone wants to sell their own thing, so basically it's a dog eat dog out there so no one should be mad if other subs like EA access pop up.
My comment was more geared towards the other person making it sound like we're going to be flooded with subscription models when in reality probably only three publishers can actually sustain this model.