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My friend just told me the eye can only see 30FPS
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Tertullian
Member
Tell him that the sky is actually green. When he tells you to look up, refuse.
Chocolate & Vanilla
Fuck Strawberry
Your friend is retarded. Get a less retarded one. #tipoftheday
t_wilson01
Member
Good thing I have two eyes. 30+30=60fps for me. 
StrikeFirst117
Banned
OP is he a console only gamer? That'd make sense if so.
Prophet Steve
Member
Your friend is a dumbass, but ask him for a resource.
His reasoning doesn't even make sense.
60 FPS and higher framerates than that are consistently smoother than 30 FPS. Keep staring at some looping footage at 30 FPS or 60 FPS. You aren't going suddenly out of sync. Maybe stare at something else, go do something else, and come back, and it will still look the same.
There is no chance involved. 30 FPS isn't suddenly going to look the same when the chances are right.
Also, great comparison site:
http://30vs60.com/
His reasoning doesn't even make sense.
60 FPS and higher framerates than that are consistently smoother than 30 FPS. Keep staring at some looping footage at 30 FPS or 60 FPS. You aren't going suddenly out of sync. Maybe stare at something else, go do something else, and come back, and it will still look the same.
There is no chance involved. 30 FPS isn't suddenly going to look the same when the chances are right.
Also, great comparison site:
http://30vs60.com/
This is what you do.
Get a Dreamcast, sit your friend down in front of Sonic Adventure 1 and the Sonic Adventure 2. All should be clear.
ScepticMatt
Member
Not quite. Our visual system does temporal integration, so anything above a so called critical flicker fusion frequency would be perceived as perfectly smooth (minus aliasing).
So you could call CFF the "frame rate of our eyes". But yes, that is higher than 30 Hz, except for night vision.
No benefit besides less input lag and temporal aliasing. It could also have a higher motion resolution if your 120 display doesn't have a low persistence mode.
I was unsure, but bumping my monitor up to 120Hz (or 144Hz) presents quite a noticeable difference, it's very obvious to me but 60 is absolutely fine. Not 30 -> 60 difference but it's clearly smoother. I have no idea how noticeable say, 240Hz would be though. Probably not very.
Haunted
Member
woah bro
Friends don't bring up a lacking framerate on their friend's PC.
That said, your friend is full of shit. Eyes don't have "hertz", we perceive our surroundings in one continuous smooth flow of motion - that said, 30 (or 60 or 120) updates per second (though it doesn't really work that way) is not a problem for human eyes.
Yep, fighter pilots have been tested and proven that they can see an image flashing for a period of time as short as 1/200th of a second.
The idea that a person can only see 60 or 30 fps is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't work like that.
Y0j1mb0
Member
He can dismiss a sharp knife is going to cut you but that doesn't necessarily make it so. He's a buffoon.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
It's a laptop for 2k, I'll tease him all I want.
Good point. When I hear "eyes updating in frames" I'm thinking of progressive scan which is my baggage of how a frame is put on a display.
I can't see any, but that's probably because I'm expecting a 30 to 60 kind of difference tbh.
alexandros
Banned
Your friend is proof that prolonged exposure to 30fps gaming causes brain damage.
Sentenza
Member
It's not just that 30 hz aren't the maximum refresh rate the human eye can discern ( even ignoring how the human eye is in fact an analog camera and doesn't work by "hertz" at all)...
It's that they are actually dangerously close to the bare minimum necessary to achieve a somewhat convincing illusion of continuous movement.
It's that they are actually dangerously close to the bare minimum necessary to achieve a somewhat convincing illusion of continuous movement.
Iorv3th
Member
Your friend sounds like one of those shitty kids we all know growing up that makes outrageous claims and wont back down no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.
"My dad shot bigfoot" etc.
Just the worst kind of liars. If you put up with his lies you are only making things worse. Defriend him immediately.
"My dad shot bigfoot" etc.
Just the worst kind of liars. If you put up with his lies you are only making things worse. Defriend him immediately.
:lol
Haunted
Member
:lol
ayyy gaming on a laptop
I suppose we can make an exception then.
I did this. My friend swears he doesn't see a difference. I know, right?
lmao
Sentenza
Member
"My uncle is a jet pilot, he has a F14 down in the garage".... "It's right here in front of us. You can't see it right now because the stealth shields are up".
Note: actual shameless bullshit a neighbor used to tell us when I was a kid.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
I'm tempted to show him this thread, but at the same time as he does drive me crazy at times, he is still a great friend who has been there for me, who has taught me a lot, who has made me a much better person.
Hmmmm...
Hmmmm...
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yeah, because no console game ever made runs at anything higher than 30 fps.
Wow I thought it was pretty obvious but each to their own I guess.
Conversely, fuck you. I usually can't tell the difference. It has to be something with intense movement like F Zero for me to tell the difference. I've never denied that other people can tell the difference, but you don't have to be a dick about other people.
ScepticMatt
Member
If you want to see a difference, increase screen brightness/contrast and reduce viewing distance.
Mithos
Member
Can I use comments like this about people in other threads without repercussions too please?
If you actually want to demostrate it on his terms: make a gif/video, 60 frames long, 60fps, 60Hz display, vsynced. Alternate red and yellow frames. If your eyes sync at 30Hz you'd see only red, only yellow, or a static split image (you'll actually see both in a consistantly intermittent fashion, obviously).
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
He's just trying to justify his midtier pc.
It is like console wars, but for pc's.
It is like console wars, but for pc's.
LowParry
Member
I do believe there are people out there that can't see the difference. Why that is I don't know. I can tell the difference easily.
As for your friend OP, I'd be asking for a source of his information. Otherwise, he's probably just bullshitting with you. Unless he's really serious then show him your sources and make him feel like an ass.
As for your friend OP, I'd be asking for a source of his information. Otherwise, he's probably just bullshitting with you. Unless he's really serious then show him your sources and make him feel like an ass.
Haunted
Member
Only if they're as funny.