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[Jarmel]

People make equivalences all the time between Anime and any other television or media, but the truth is that the bulk of anime is more throwaway and trope-y than others and I got tired of wading through the otaku-pandering crap to find the gems as more and more got released here. The way people act even in "normal life settings" in anime (generally speaking) doesn't really ring true to life and just feels stupid.

And it's disturbing how it kind of infantilizes females. Even the stuff for women kind of limits the scopes of their lives to waiting for a cute boy to uguu at. The "strong" female characters in action anime and such ultimately serve as eye candy/male fantasy too. There's really nothing more annoying and sad to me than female otaku who adopt these personas modeled after what Japanese animators think women should be.

And I don't care about the examples that will obviously exist that don't fit this mold. I'm talking about the overall culture.

Western TV can be trope filled to the brink as well. Hell, Lindelof made a fucking career out of it. That's not even getting into particular genres such as science fiction or comic book movies. And I'm talking about the 'higher' tier of Western television/movies. I won't even get started on all the junk in both films and TV.

As to your complaint about women, it's valid but again almost all media does this to a large extent now. This is especially true in nerdier cultures. Videogames aren't any better. At all.

 

[LaserBuddha]

As to your complaint about women, it's valid but again almost all media does this to a large extent now. This is especially true in nerdier cultures. Videogames aren't any better. At all.

I agree it exists everywhere, but I do think it's much worse in anime. A truly positive female character that is equal to males with no sexist stereotypes is practically non-existent in Anime. Whereas I can easily find it in western media and games, if not nearly often enough.

In truth I think we are really just talking about a problem (or more charitably, a cultural difference) in Japan is far as the image and self-image of women.

 

[R_thanatos]

I agree it exists everywhere, but I do think it's much worse in anime. A truly positive female character that is equal to males with no sexist stereotypes is practically non-existent in Anime. Whereas I can easily find it in western media and games, if not nearly often enough.

In truth I think we are really just talking about a problem (or more charitably, a cultural difference) in Japan is far as the image and self-image of women.

- Seirei no moribito
- GITS ?
- Spice and wolf
- Kara no kyoukai ?
- Kyosougiga
- Read Or Die

Just saying .. and there are many more.
before someone says that those anime are old , kyosougiga was last year .

 

[Hypemaster]

I find that the opposite is happening. More people are giving anime a chance.

 

[Chariot]

Although I have to agree that good female protagonists are rare. But this is hardly a anime only problem. You have to search a while too when looking at american shows or movies. It's something people all over the world have to work at.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

- Seirei no moribito
- GITS ?
- Spice and wolf
- Kara no kyoukai ?
- Kyosougiga
- Read Or Die

Just saying .. and there are many more.
before someone says that those anime are old , kyosougiga was last year .

It was a bullshit claim to start with. You can also add in most of the Gundam series an most Type Moon series

 

[jman2050]

I don't know if it got worse and I think the interest on whether it got worse or not is damaging. What I do know is that it is not good yet, that it still needs a lot of growth and development. TV Anime's no.1 strength was it's ability to push out a wide variety of tightly told stories every season but western TV has caught on with True Detective and American Horror Story. Anime still doesn't have it's Game of Thrones (which isn't without criticism itself btw) which is a show which is unashamed about it's roots but uses it's medium in a way to draw in and defy the expectation of the viewers. How many TV anime can you truly recommend to a normal adult (with all their preconceptions and ideals) who just wants a good story? When TV shows like Mad Men show truly deep complicated humans how can you not get annoyed at the juvenality of the interpersonal relationships in most anime? I want the medium to be mainstream because I truly believe that in the hands of great artists more people will come to enjoy what it brings to the table. But first it must purge it's demons, and I will continue to add my voice in that regard.

That is literally Evangelion or Madoka Magica or Aku no Hana, just to name a few. And I don't even like one of those shows...

 

[Mecha]

Maybe more people are realizing that manga is superior?

 

[Korigama]

I agree it exists everywhere, but I do think it's much worse in anime. A truly positive female character that is equal to males with no sexist stereotypes is practically non-existent in Anime. Whereas I can easily find it in western media and games, if not nearly often enough.

I would be interested to know of some examples, without referencing Beyond Good & Evil, or anything by either Naughty Dog or Valve.

 

[zoukka]

I agree it exists everywhere, but I do think it's much worse in anime. A truly positive female character that is equal to males with no sexist stereotypes is practically non-existent in Anime. Whereas I can easily find it in western media and games, if not nearly often enough.

In truth I think we are really just talking about a problem (or more charitably, a cultural difference) in Japan is far as the image and self-image of women.

Ghibli is the face of anime in west and has better characterization, humanist values and stories than anything found in western animation.

Maybe more people are realizing that manga is superior?

You can't compare two different mediums. And everyone knows manga is the most varied form of comics around.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Exactly what's is happenning in FRANCE ( and manga and anime popularity is high )

France also basically had anime as the equivalent of Saturday morning cartoons in the late 80s/early to mid 90s.

Well except for the fact that it was every day of the week instead.

Then they cracked down on it in the late 90s and it was barely anywhere to be found until much later, that was pretty awful.

 

[JohnDoe]

Since when are some neckbeard jerkoff nobodies with a podcast considered the "mainstream"?

 

[Moral Panic]

- Seirei no moribito
- GITS ?
- Spice and wolf
- Kara no kyoukai ?
- Kyosougiga
- Read Or Die

Just saying .. and there are many more.
before someone says that those anime are old , kyosougiga was last year .

GITS

Spice and Wolf

SRSLY?

 

[HK-47]

Yep. Sorry guys but Major Kusanagi is a bad character let alone a female. I have pictures to prove it.

 

[BPoole]

I don't hate anime but I think it's kind of weird just based on the people I know that like anime

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

GITS


Spice and Wolf


SRSLY?

Spoken like someone who's never seen either series. The Major is on no way a sexist stereotype. She's a somewhat promiscuous character confident in her sexuality (well bisexuality) and when she goes on missions she doesn't wear clothes like that. She's usually in a combat suit.

This is the same argument in Gaming Side where characters are completely invalidated just because they wear a skimpy outfit occasionally

 

[Polishin8r]

There was a time when the mainstream didn't hate anime?

when is the last time they did hate it?

I think most people simply don't watch it like it/ cuz they don't know about it...i don't watch Doctor who doesn't mean i hate it...

 

[Mononoke]

Maybe the ratio isnt that different, but I think the viewership might be different. The popular ones, at least in the west, are often one of the "same shit different color" ones.

I mean you can also see it in the series that get scanlated e.g.
You have like 100 Yaoi-chapters each day besides Shounen and series that are aimed for a more mature audience, that never get scanlated (or bought from a publisher).
While here in Germany you get about 10-15 new Yaoi-Manga from a publisher, you get maybe 1-2 titles aimed at a more mature audience.

I can agree that each medium has its own culture/tropes. Definitely. So I guess in that sense, I can understand why some would find Anime worse than other mediums. I just don't agree that Anime has a worse ratio of good to bad. I truly believe that you can find just as many great anime shows (that avoid these tropes) as you can find great dramas that transcend shitty western tropes/formulas.

Just my belief. But I also can agree that, it's subjective as to what is considered "great". So my view that there is just as many great shows, depends solely on my opinion of what is great.

 

[Fornaximus]

Anime wouldn't make a great target for SJW outrage (hentai aside). It's one of the few entertainment types that utilizes strong females fairly frequently. Sure, they might also often be voluptuous, but being attractive shouldn't be considered a negative, especially when the character is otherwise created pretty well.

 

[Hazanko]

Hunter x Hunter, Mushishi, Space Dandy and Zankyou no Terror. That's all I like at the moment and I watched anime for years. The trick, which applies to anything is that there is loads of mediocre shit. Just keep a lookout for things that ain't. You expect everything you come across to be good? lol.

 

[The Silver]

GITS


Spice and Wolf


SRSLY?

talk about cherry picking

 

[Moral Panic]

Spoken like someone who's never seen either series. The Major is on no way a sexist stereotype. She's a somewhat promiscuous character confident in her sexuality (well bisexuality) and when she goes on missions she doesn't wear clothes like that. She's usually in a combat suit.

This is the same argument in Gaming Side where characters are completely invalidated just because they wear a skimpy outfit occasionally

A truly positive female character that is equal to males with no sexist stereotypes is practically non-existent in Anime.

Sorry but it doesn't fit the bill.

 

[TheSadRanger]

Spoken like someone who's never seen either series. The Major is on no way a sexist stereotype. She's a somewhat promiscuous character confident in her sexuality (well bisexuality) and when she goes on missions she doesn't wear clothes like that. She's usually in a combat suit.

This is the same argument in Gaming Side where characters are completely invalidated just because they wear a skimpy outfit occasionally

I thought the Major in Stand Alone Complex was

Spoiler

actually a guy in a female cyborg body, as a human he was a male but had his brain case transferred into the female body.

? They often eluded to that in the series, especially with the Major's conversations with Batou.

Spoiler

Who would sometimes ask why the Major chose that body.

 

[HOMEBOY OVER HERE]

anime was never mainstream in the west

it was marketed towards kids when I was growing up (pokemon, digimon, spirited away). I don't know if it still is since I don't keep up with children's television.

I don't think most people (or the "mainstream") have any opinion on it.

I do know that some older people will build their personality around it like many do for gaming and that has always been looked down upon because it is strange and not in a good way.

 

[HK-47]

I thought the Major in Stand Alone Complex was

Spoiler

actually a guy in a female cyborg body, as a human he was a male but had his brain case transferred into the female body.

? They often eluded to that in the series, especially with the Major's conversations with Batou.

Spoiler

Who would sometimes ask why the Major chose that body.

The answer is no.

 

[madp]

Another factor is the kind of people who obsesses over it. You can have Star Wars and Star Treks nerds etc but they don't damage the image of the thing really, whereas 30 year old men with little anime girl avatars and figures makes the whole thing seem dodgy to be involved in.

This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.

 

[John Kowalski]

SRSLY?

I agree that with GITS, though i'd still argue that the Major is a strong character that is unfortunately sullied by her representation in everything but the original movie adaptation, but you'd be very wrong in assuming that the nudity in S&W is exploitative or gratuitous.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

To be honest... anime selection as of late has been quite pervy, at least from what i've seen, and people with anime avatars usually use images of girls who look like pre-teens sexed up, that IMO creates a negative connotation towards anime, i like anime but only the mecha, Ghibli, and light hearted kind, i don't like the sexed up stuff... it's creepy and lame to me.

 

[SegaShack]

I've hated anime since before it was mainstream to do so.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Mainstream hatred of anime or hatred of mainstream anime?

 

[The Technomancer]

I agree that with GITS, though i'd still argue that the Major is a strong character that is unfortunately sullied by her representation in everything but the original movie adaptation, but you'd be very wrong in assuming that the nudity in S&W is exploitative or gratuitous.

The Major thing is complicated for me. I don't actually think that the one suggestive scene we see of her in that one bedroom with the other girls on the bed is, well, bad, since its not like its framed indulgently to make the viewer think "omg thats hawt", but on the other hand the series has more than a few, hrhmm, camera placement moments that frame her body in sexualized ways

 

[BocoDragon]

Anime wouldn't make a great target for SJW outrage (hentai aside). It's one of the few entertainment types that utilizes strong females fairly frequently. Sure, they might also often be voluptuous, but being attractive shouldn't be considered a negative, especially when the character is otherwise created pretty well.

Oh I've heard a feminist or two go off on the infantilization of women in anime.

 

[Dictator93]

I've hated anime since before it was mainstream to do so.

There are "animes" which are nothing like animes. I recommend you watch them.

 

[Kisaya]

For me, it's either anime really sucks right now or it's something that I just grew out of. There's a lot of titles that I can say are better than whatever crap there is nowadays, but at the same time I can revisit an anime I used to really like and admit that it was pretty shitty.

Attack on Titan hasn't helped, in my opinion. Pretty much confirmed why I can't watch anime anymore. I still don't understand what everyone is seeing that I'm not from this series.

 

[BocoDragon]

This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.

That was a lot of text to essentially say you're a hater.

It's the same as many things: anime's most standout nerds seem to be the only ones you can identify as fans, but there are so many normal people out there watching it. Not all of its viewers have anime avatars, play card games in the hallway at school, and look like stereotypical nerds.

It reminds me of people who can only identify marijuana users as annoying pot leaf t-shirt wearing skids... When that displays just how out of touch they are with how much bigger it is than just the people wearing it on their sleeve.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

Sorry but it doesn't fit the bill.

Also simply having nudity isn't sexist. That's the most ridiculously childish thing I've heard in a long time

 

[HK-47]

The Major thing is complicated for me. I don't actually think that the one suggestive scene we see of her in that one bedroom with the other girls on the bed is, well, bad, since its not like its framed indulgently to make the viewer think "omg thats hawt", but on the other hand the series has more than a few, hrhmm, camera placement moments that frame her body in sexualized ways

Does this transform her into a weak character though? Is she stereotyped/male gazed into impotence? The Major in SAC to me is the most in depth look at the character and honors both the movie and the original manga (this is were her sexual personality comes from).

 

[The Silver]

For me, it's either anime really sucks right now or it's something that I just grew out of. There's a lot of titles that I can say are better than whatever crap there is nowadays, but at the same time I can revisit an anime I used to really like and admit that it was pretty shitty.

Attack on Titan hasn't helped, in my opinion. Pretty much confirmed why I can't watch anime anymore. I still don't understand what everyone is seeing that I'm not from this series.

Some people have this misconception that because AoT got really popular it must be "different" than most anime.

AoT is very much an action shounen series, it stands out because it plays around with a few tropes and is bleaker than usual. The female characters also aren't sexualized which is one of the best things you can say about the series.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.

wow

 

[HK-47]

This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.

Ahahahaha I guess you told us how you really feel so there is no point in asking.

Edit: ah now I see.

 

[cajunator]

I agree Star Wars / Star Trek have been around for a long time, so I think it's entered the mainstream. A more apt comparison might be Anime conventions today vs Star Trek conventions 25 years ago.

One might conclude from this in that in 25 years, anime would be more widely accepted. But I don't think so. Star Wars and Star Trek were centered about a particular set of shows or movies. Things changed (new shows, new movies, comics, etc) but it was all set in the same universe.

For example, I love cowboy bebop to the extent that I would love to go to a cowboy bebop convention. I would like to hear indepth thoughts about cowboy bebop, read literature about it, watch scenes in slow motion to analyze, etc. I might also be interested in a Gundam convention because the lore seems so expansive.

But I shudder at the thought of attending another "anime" convention. I'm glad they exist for those people who like them, but how many "SQUEEES" can one man take? The "cute" culture, when personified to extremes by individuals attracted to cute culture (both male and female), is partly what I think is being pushed back against. Because it's not something most people (myself included) can readily understand or appreciate, it comes off as anything but cute. It's to an extent that honestly I even feel embarrassed to admit that I've liked anime in the past.

Ehehehehee

The answer is as much as anime can dish out!
For me, cuteness is my drug and squeeing is my way of life.
I loved cute things even before anime and when I discovered this medium that so readily offers things that make me happy I took to it with all my heart and soul.
Cuteness makes life fun and a whole lot more tolerable!

Life sucks, squee louder!!

 

[DeaviL]

We should just force people to watch Trigun, that'll fix the problem.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile.

Yo, i always take care to not aim at my keyboard brah.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Ghibli is the face of anime in west and has better characterization, humanist values and stories than anything found in western animation.

I have several Ghibli films and love them. This discussion is pretty much impossible without generalizing. The response from fans in these discussions is usually to list 3-6 examples of things that don't fit the stereotype and not addressing where that stereotype came from. I also made no comparison to western animation, which is not the appropriate thing to compare to something is large as anime and sidesteps the question of why people dislike it.

 

[The Technomancer]

Does this transform her into a weak character though? Is she stereotyped/male gazed into impotence? The Major in SAC to me is the most in depth look at the character and honors both the movie and the original manga (this is were her sexual personality comes from).

It doesn't damage her character but it does reduce my respect for the show's creators, as I think it displays its own lack of respect for their character. Honestly showing her sexual nature would be more acceptable and interesting to me, externally imposed camera shots, because of how meta they are, tend to bother me more.

 

[studyguy]

AnimeGAF is in here posting for shits and giggles now I see.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I think Digimon and Ghibli films are the only anime I like.

 

[John Kowalski]

The Major thing is complicated for me. I don't actually think that the one suggestive scene we see of her in that one bedroom with the other girls on the bed is, well, bad, since its not like its framed indulgently to make the viewer think "omg thats hawt", but on the other hand the series has more than a few, hrhmm, camera placement moments that frame her body in sexualized ways

Well, the Major is rather simple to me. She's a strong character that is often rendered with gratuitously sexual imagery that undermines the strength of her character. Noriko in Gunbuster is a far trickier subject to me. For the most part, she isn't an especially strong nor capable person, and there is a lot of naivety and frailty to her character, but her growth as an individual is very positive and strong, so the casual nudity feels very meaningless, shown almost as if it weren't there.

 

[munchie64]

Longest drive by post ever.

That was quite a mouthful. Perhaps you're problems lie deeper than you think.

Edit: It appears I may have been duped.

 

[DeaviL]

I was just browsing and was instantly reminded of this thread again.

Spoiler

Yeah, it's 4chan. Fear me.

 

[poopninjamvc3mk]

This.

Anime fans will swear up and down otherwise, but the truth is that I've never met one who wasn't creepy or severely maladjusted in some way and so it's pretty easy for me to dismiss them. All of the ones I saw in high school and college were usually unattractive/obese and awkward with poor hygiene, never had girlfriends, and were super obnoxious and wanted to shove all of their spiky-haired naruto ninjas and moe waifus down everyone's throats because they thought enjoying something "foreign" somehow made them edgy hipster connoisseurs when they were just circlejerking over cartoons.

It was always obvious to me that it was just a hobby for miserable, socially-stunted losers and emos who used Japanese cartoons as an opiate to distract themselves from being depressed and a shallow pretext for forming friendships with each other because they couldn't navigate normal human interaction otherwise. Everyone stayed as far away from them as possible, especially in college because watching cartoon as an adult (and not just that, but TELEGRAPHING it to other people as LOUDLY as possible) is the biggest red flag imaginable that you're a sexless manchild. There was a guy on the floor or my dorm that we would never invite to parties because he wore nothing but Dragon Ball Z shirts and smelled like he hadn't showered in a month and we all laughed at him behind his back over it.

With all the articles I've read on GAF about how Japanese anime and video games are catering to pedophiles and how anime fans have waifus and watch "moe girls" shit, I can't help but think that anime fans here are either in deep denial about their deviancy or straight-up lying about not jerking it to underage girls when they all have avatars of little girls. Just like every anime fan I've seen IRL they wear their "I watch shows about fucking cartoon children" badge on their sleeve but don't want to be called out on it. The kneejerk defensiveness from fans you see in every thread that exposes the depraved reality of anime is a dead giveaway.

It's creepy as fuck and if you have anime avatar, I'll ignore anything you type on your cum-encrusted keyboards because it's an admission that you don't actually know anything about real life and there's a good chance that you're a pedophile. You shouldn't be on NeoGAF, you should be in prison for CP. I'm glad that the GAF community has fostered an environment that promotes the marginalization and dismissal of fans of anime because they've earned it.

Come to the thread and see this...best thing I seen all week