If this thread is true then you only get points for winning now and lose points for everything else. Such a system seems inherently flawed in a game where you will often arbitrarily drop from 1st to 3rd near the end of a race.
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Nintendo killed Mario Kart 8 Community
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Ban Puncher
Member
Nintendo is ruining e-sports.
I think they indicate how much time you spend at home
Thats right, OP. Dont play like you enjoy playing, do it the 'correct' way!
Eugh.
Seems like a classic of case of over-fixing a problem
"Winning" isn't only for first place, you know. I've been in sixth place and still "won" (character makes cheering motions and I am awarded points).
I've been playing a lot more under this new system. I don't particular care about my score, but I did notice the point inflation being tamed down and the points not being handed out like candy at a parade.
PreyingShark
Member
The OP left out that he's playing in rooms where everybody else is a much lower VR than him.
The system's not *that* harsh if the room's close to your VR. The system's designed to have a net VR gain of around 0 for the entire room each race.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I guess I'm not seeing the problem with this. If they're too scared to race because of the chance they'll "lose points," they should find something else to play. That's ludicrous.
LinkToTheFuture
Member
idk why ppl would care about points so much in a game that is truly random. Skill hardly plays a part in this game since people can get triple red shells, lucky 8 & golden mushrooms in2nd & 3rd place now lol. No one should be trying to rack up a crazy amount of points in a game that isnt truly balanced or skill based.
Just have fun& race for the fun of it not worrying about the points =)
Just have fun& race for the fun of it not worrying about the points =)
DidntKnowJack
Member
Man, if Nintendo ain't screwing you out of coins, they're screwing you out of points.
I still don't know what the points are for. Just an overall online score I guess...?
I still don't know what the points are for. Just an overall online score I guess...?
Nose Master
Member
Wait a god damn minute, back up. You're going to sit there and tell me that Nintendo fucked up something involving online play? I don't believe you.
Bravo.
If you have a silly high ranking... say, 3x as many (or more) points as every other racer in a room, and then place 3rd, it would make sense to lose some. You'd lost to two people ranked much lower than you and they would probably get a lot more VR points than normal since they won against someone with a huge score.
Not sure if that is happening with the OP but that's my impression.
Not sure if that is happening with the OP but that's my impression.
EatinOlives
Member
This so called "arbitrary e-peen meter" was one that Nintendo implemented themselves. They clearly saw something important enough in a point-based performance system to include as part of their online multiplayer design document.
I know some people love to bang on the anti-gamerscore/trophies/leaderboard drum, but let's be honest here. Nintendo's approach to Mario Kart 8's implementation wasn't one of throwing superfluous design in for no reason. They rarely work that way, and it was especially in the case of MK8. Nintendo obviously intended it as a simple, fun score to carry across online races. That they screwed up that system lately isn't OP's fault. And if it is such a horrible, e-peen, idiotic system, why haven't I heard of anyone complaining about Nintendo's inclusion of it?
TheRedSnifit
Member
You'll still find that good players end up in front more often than bad ones.
The problem with the old way was that it was so easy to get points that it was worthless as a skill metric. I raced at least sixty online matches before the change, and I wound up losing points maybe five times. As long as you didn't fall behind 7th place, you'd gain points.
It affects the match-making. You'll generally be matched against players with similar amounts of VR points.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Your impression is correct, op is racing against a room with lower VRs.
Point system is encouragement factor. Even when you finished 7th.. when you get 10 points.. it keeps you feeling good. Also it adds to the "few more races before the night, I am so close to 6000" thought and keep people playing for long hours.
I never see people dropping off when they are close to a larger milestone number.
I dont know why they changed it so drastically. Why not just let every one feel better with some virtual number. It is just human Physcology.
VR provides a similar sense of satisfaction as Achivements/Trophy/Loot etc. You play for a few hours, saw your VR go up by 1K, it was a satisfying session. Now longer you play, more you loose.
I never see people dropping off when they are close to a larger milestone number.
I dont know why they changed it so drastically. Why not just let every one feel better with some virtual number. It is just human Physcology.
VR provides a similar sense of satisfaction as Achivements/Trophy/Loot etc. You play for a few hours, saw your VR go up by 1K, it was a satisfying session. Now longer you play, more you loose.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Yea, I really hate when people speak that way like their way of playing the game is better and the right way because everyone has fun doing the same things. Its just going past his question just to tell the OP that he is playing "wrong."
Exactly, losing points was so rare that it was obviously not a skill metric but a time metric. I actually lost interest in the point system after the first few weeks because I thought points were too easy to get. The threat of actually losing points should make the online game way more exciting and will give the points actual value. Seems like a positive all around.
Smiles and Cries
Member
what if the OP is telling everyone else is playing the game wrong if they do not care about points?
after all is the issue not about Nintendo's changes in this point system?
PreyingShark
Member
Yep. Alright guys, let's look at a post-race ranking screen:
Net VR gain: 5
Take into account the relative VRs here and... I honestly think those are pretty fair rewards/penalties.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
What does it matter if they changed the system? All it will do is re-balance everyone's total according to new criteria. Epeen size ranking will get sorted in a week or two.
Personally, I think chasing points is... pointless. I'd rather get awesome times in time trials to grow my epeen.
Personally, I think chasing points is... pointless. I'd rather get awesome times in time trials to grow my epeen.
Sounds exactly like how ranking systems work in alot of fighting games. You get next to nothing from beating lower ranked players, while they hit the jackpot if they manage to squeeze out a victory against a high ranking player.
Yeah, if that's post update that looks 100% fine.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
The 9999+ indicates post-update.
Garou
Member
Yep. Alright guys, let's look at a post-race ranking screen:
Net VR gain: 5
Take into account the relative VRs here and... I honestly think those are pretty fair rewards/penalties.
So basically the points are now actually fair and skill-based, instead of rewarding mediocre performance? Sounds better than before!
Yeah, I don't think people want competitive Mario Kart though. They should use this system for smash instead. Let Mario Kart be the feel good game that rewards playtime more than performance.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Or Mario Kart can be both, like it is right now.
outunderthestars
Banned
He asked if we cared, and we responded. I don't see people telling him that he is playing the game wrong.
MannyToons
Member
Honestly, even with the new VR system, the game already suffered from one big problem; the item distribution. My sister can't even play MK8 for more than 3 races or so before becoming completely fed up with getting shit on so hard. The game doesn't give new players a chance and it sucks. But I and many others have complained enough about it, so whatever.
pls patch, Nintendo
Riedinizzo
Banned
Lol people care about the points?
Smiles and Cries
Member
Are less people playing MK8 now because of this?
deltatheta
Member
Mario Kart might be a lot more random than most competitive games, but it kind if chafes me when people imply that it's 100% luck.
If you spend time in time trials, figuring out the optimal paths through the tracks for your character/vehicle, learn to use the items to your best advantage, learn to avoid attacks or minimize your time loss when you get hit, etc. You're going to win a lot more than you lose. There are a lot of random events in a Mario Kart race, but there are a also lot of ways to react to the events so that you come out ahead.
If you spend time in time trials, figuring out the optimal paths through the tracks for your character/vehicle, learn to use the items to your best advantage, learn to avoid attacks or minimize your time loss when you get hit, etc. You're going to win a lot more than you lose. There are a lot of random events in a Mario Kart race, but there are a also lot of ways to react to the events so that you come out ahead.
Uh... you can totally adjust item distrubution.
According to JC, I killed that one.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
He never says nor implies that others are playing wrong in his OP.
He says that Nintendo killed the community because of people backing out of lobbies after a few wins and friends no longer playing.
Its a complaint about a change in the system that now punishes people when they are placed in high positions. It hurts the players that happen to have more points over others.
So, no, he isn't saying that at all.
tiggerkiddo
Member
I would have been happy with leaderboards at most.
Ban Puncher
Member
"Welcome back to Mario Kart 8, where the race positions are made up and the points don't matter."
"That's right, the points are like Waluigi."
tbh, that's true
sorry breh. right now, things are looking active again (I wouldn't personally know, I haven't gone on since the DLC
) but nothing like it was before you destroyed everything we've built.why, Roo? Why did you do that?
Had nothing better to do, apparently.tbh, that's true
sorry breh. right now, things are looking active again (I wouldn't personally know, I haven't gone on since the DLC
why, Roo? Why did you do that?
I would argue playing for points and not just for fun IS elitist. lol
EDIT: Left out the word "just."
Krappadizzle
Member
"Welcome back to Mario Kart 8, where the race positions are made up and the points don't matter."
"That's right, the points are like Waluigi."
Literally what I was gonna post. Thanks.
Banana Aeon
Member
I would argue playing for points and not just for fun IS elitist. lol
EDIT: Left out the word "just."
My reply was in response to a casual elitist.
There are many forms of elitism.
Also, who are you to say he wasn't having fun? Some people having fun raising points, or getting trophies, or boosting their GamerScore. There are many different ways to have fun with video games.
Don't Laugh
Banned
sounds kinda like the ELO system used in online board games