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[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

Any "moneyhat" that Microsoft could do to get Japanese devs to make Japanese-focused XBO games is literally going to have to be them offering to pay all development costs & give a guaranteed profit on top. The more typical "We'll spend X amount on marketing for you" isn't going to cut it.

 

[SerTapTap]

Any "moneyhat" that Microsoft could do to get Japanese devs to make Japanese-focused XBO games is literally going to have to be them offering to pay all development costs & give a guaranteed profit on top. The more typical "We'll spend X amount on marketing for you" isn't going to cut it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "exclusive to PS4 in japan" things we've been hearing arent' even paid by Sony. I mean...is is even worth certifying with Xbox JP and printing the disks for them with numbers like these? I'd be surprised if it were.

Bug Panic was released a few years ago. I think their latest mobile release is Don Paccin.

It's not clear what kind of agreement MS had with Cave, we know that they gave a lot of support to small Japanese devs (not only Cave) and they got a lot of niche games on 360 as a result (shmups, visual novels...). It was part of their strategy to conquer Japan, and it made sense: they invested into big AAA games like Lost Odissey but also tried to get the small ones. Cave also said that Saidaioujou was ported to the 360 because MS asked for it, it wasn't in their plans originally.

My comment about paying was just speculation. They paid Platinum for Scalebound, so they could do the same with Cave, but of course action games are much easier to sell in the West than shmups so it's not likely to happen.

Huh, surprised MS asked for Saidaioujou since that's so recent; they seem to have all but abandoned Japanese titles since around 2009.

I'm pretty sure Scalebound was for the west. The trailer they showed fit right in line with the rest of their E3. Revengence sold well enough didn't it? I think they're hoping more for something like that and Bayonetta than the more quirky and harder to sell W101.

 

[plasmawave]

Any "moneyhat" that Microsoft could do to get Japanese devs to make Japanese-focused XBO games is literally going to have to be them offering to pay all development costs & give a guaranteed profit on top. The more typical "We'll spend X amount on marketing for you" isn't going to cut it.

So not worth it.

 

[Jotaka]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "exclusive to PS4 in japan" things we've been hearing arent' even paid by Sony. I mean...is is even worth certifying with Xbox JP and printing the disks for them with numbers like these? I'd be surprised if it were.

- Destiny
- Batman: Arkham Knight
and the list will grow for sure

 

[Friend of Sonic]

I know we need more time to see how it all pans out (but I have a feeling we all know) but this makes me wonder if they'll skip Japan next gen.

 

[Timmay]

I know we need more time to see how it all pans out (but I have a feeling we all know) but this makes me wonder if they'll skip Japan next gen.

At this point I wonder if your sentence would be more accurate by removing the word "Japan" from it.

 

[Friend of Sonic]

At this point I wonder if your sentence would be more accurate by removing the word "Japan" from it.

It's not THAT bad =P

They'll try again and maybe not dick their customers around next time.

 

[ypo]

This is the new definition of DOA.

Deader than dead if that's possible.

 

[Delusibeta]

Yup, dead on arrival. I hope 3pd got a cracker deal for their forthcoming exclusives because they ain't going to have a large userbase to sell to if sales follow pretty much every other console that's released over there in the last few years.

Prediction: sub PS4 next week, sub 1k by end of October.

 

[Darksol]

Whose Line would be an amazing treasure trove of gifs; I'm surprised I don't see more of them.

 

[MUnited83]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "exclusive to PS4 in japan" things we've been hearing arent' even paid by Sony. I mean...is is even worth certifying with Xbox JP and printing the disks for them with numbers like these? I'd be surprised if it were.

... of course they aren't even paid by Sony. There's literally no reason that they would be.

 

[Dead Prince]

Square enix take note

 

[vicissitudes]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

 

[Holographix]

^^ Glorious.

 

[ypo]

Here's $0.00000354.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

Those numbers are terrible. PS4 will probably have more lifetime sales in Japan than Xbox One if they never sell another unit.

 

[Delusibeta]

Those numbers are terrible. PS4 will probably have more lifetime sales in Japan than Xbox One if they never sell another unit.

Whooooosh.

What consoles have sold worse in their first week than the Xbone? It's probably an entertaining list.

 

[Cess007]

Square enix take note

I hope they didn't have high expectations of Rise of Tomb Raider in Japan for the initial release (how Tomb Raider games has sold in Japan historically?)

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

I'm trying, but i can see the "/s" hidden anywhere

Whooooosh.

What consoles have sold worse in their first week than the Xbone? It's probably an entertaining list.

Someone here said that only the NeoGeo Pocket had a worse launch. Dunno if true (or by how much)

 

[Windom Earle]

I hope they didn't have high expectations of Rise of Tomb Raider in Japan for the initial release (how Tomb Raider games has sold in Japan historically?)



I'm trying, but i can see the "/s" hidden anywhere



Someone here said that only the NeoGeo Pocket had a worse launch. Dunno if true (or by how much)

Worst console debut of all time. If you count handhelds only the NG Pocket is behind it. (Sales beasts like Vita TV or PSP go are ahead)

 

[Kissenkopf]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

 

[Occam]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

Joke post?

2012.12.08 [Nintendo Wii U] (¥26,250 / ¥31,500) - 308,570 (2 days)
2014.02.22 [Sony PlayStation 4] (¥41,979 / ¥46,179)- 322,083 (2 days)
2014.09.04 [Microsoft XBox One] (¥43,178 / ¥53,978) - 23,562 (4 days)

 

[Aquamarine]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

Fact: Good job, I'm laughing right now

 

[tokyobanana]

It's either ignorance or astroturfers making these posts. If the latter, don't bother defending Microsoft in Japan.. it's not worth the time or money.

If ignorant, please read the thread in detail and understand why these sales numbers are horrible.

 

[Rolf NB]

23k more than last week. If this trend continues, it will sell more than a million units per week this time next year. Truly a force to reckon with.

 

[Kagari]

Square enix take note

What is there to take note of? They already know.

 

[system11]

I don't understand this comment. What is a "money hat" in this case, since we're talking about Japanese developers? If Microsoft approaches a developer offering to pay for the development of a game which they will publish, why does it matter whether the developer is Japanese or western? And why would they be "stupid" to take the money and work on a product? Please explain.

Since I agreed with the person quoted... Lets for a moment discard 'money hats' where a game isn't going to happen otherwise, for example Bayonetta 2.

My favourite genre is a niche one. I like shmups. I like Japanese arcade games. Last generation these mostly fell on the Xbox 360, which allowed publishers to engage in fruitless attempts at selling licenses for other regions, enforced by region locking. Of course what happened in some cases is the games simply never left Japan or only got as far as the US. Fewer copies were sold than would otherwise be the case with a console which wouldn't allow them to go region locking. Fewer copies sold in a niche is pretty much a bad thing - it makes producing them seem less attractive, it makes the genre even more obscure despite any hardcore fan following, and it means less money for the developers.

This time around, neither console supports locking by default, although I'm sure it will be harder to buy from JP Live than JP PSN. The key point is this time around the XB1 is likely to sell far fewer units even than the 360, and if Microsoft are 'encouraging' people to release on it with monetary incentives, it's simply bad for genre coverage and attracting new players, it's bad for sales which could fund future titles and it's ultimately bad for the fans.

If this doesn't happen and the titles appear on (instead /or/ additionally, I don't mind) the PS4, there's a far greater pool of potential owners and players in their local market as well as abroad.

There are already 3 shmups scheduled to appear on the Xbox One. Three potentially doomed titles. They might not even have been moneyhatted, the companies previously worked with the Xbox 360 - and if that's the case then incredibly low sales of the XB1 pushing them to release on the PS4 too is the optimal situation for genre fans.

 

[Mushroom021]

Will this even top 100K ltd?

 

[lighthouse777]

Xbox One debuts at 1# in Japan, with caveats
http://www.xboxmad.net/x/xbox-one-debuts-at-number-one-in-japan.html




The full breakdown from Famitsu is as follows:

1. Xbox One – 23,562
2. Nintendo 3DS LL – 22,525
3. PS Vita – 14,508
4. PS4 – 6,373
5. PS3 – 5,737
6. Wii U – 5,551
7. Nintendo 3DS – 5,321
8. PS Vita TV – 1,052
9. PSP – 128
10. Xbox 360 – 79

 

[Crayolan]

I know Microsoft barely has a presence in Japan, but I didn't think it was this bad.

 

[Jal]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

 

[synce]

The first couple of Xboxes it was pretty funny but now I'm almost starting to feel bad. Hmmm wait nope it's still funny. You have to wonder if they'll try again next gen

 

[SwiftDeath]

Will this even top 100K ltd?

So we have the history of Xbox launches in japan

Japanese (Famitsu) Openings:

Home Consoles:

2002.02.22 [Microsoft XBox] (¥34.800) - 123.929 (3 days)
2005.12.10 [Microsoft XBox 360] (¥29.000 / ¥39.795) - 62.135 (2 days)
2014.09.04 [Microsoft XBox One] (¥43.178 / ¥53.978) - 23,562 (4 days)

And we have the history of final LTD's

Superior Tracker (Famitsu):

Xbox: 473K
Xbox 360: 1615K
Xbox One: 23K to xxxK

And while comparisons are sure to be flawed, I'd say XB1 probably stands to follow the OG Xbox's sales curve more than the 360's due to far less effort on MS's part to woo Japan

Thus unless things change significantly I could see XB1 finishing with less than 200k LTD. Under 100k LTD is probably a possibility but I'm not sure I want to be quite that pessimistic yet

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

I don't understand this comment. What is a "money hat" in this case, since we're talking about Japanese developers? If Microsoft approaches a developer offering to pay for the development of a game which they will publish, why does it matter whether the developer is Japanese or western? And why would they be "stupid" to take the money and work on a product? Please explain.

More appropriately I think it is stupid for MS to do such a thing. Like I don't blame Platinum for taking the money MS is putting up to develop a game, whatever pays the bills, but I do question the effectiveness from MS perspective.

They did this exact type of thing last gen and got nowhere with it and they seem less interested in cultivating Japan this time around. So the Scalebound deal and possible future deals like it don't make a lot of sense from MS perspective.

 

[PFD]

The original XBOX numbers are surprisingly high

 

[SwiftDeath]

More appropriately I think it is stupid for MS to do such a thing. Like I don't blame Platinum for taking the money MS is putting up to develop a game, whatever pays the bills, but I do question the effectiveness from MS perspective.

They did this exact type of thing last gen and got nowhere with it and they seem less interested in cultivating Japan this time around. So the Scalebound deal and possible future deals like it don't make a lot of sense from MS perspective.

Any exclusive from Japanese developers that MS pays for is likely to appease and appeal to certain niches amongst western gaming consumers. MS has to know better then anyone else how relevant they are in the Japanese market

 

[rokkerkory]

wow it might be best selling xbox ever in japan

which isn't saying much

 

[Pejo]

Did anyone make the old joke about "but how FAST did it sell?'

Anyways, awful numbers and really disappointing. The Xbone doing well would have garnered a bit more interest in 8th gen Japanese development.

 

[SwiftDeath]

wow it might be best selling xbox ever in japan

which isn't saying much

The chances of the XB1's final LTD being higher than the 360's 1.6M seems incredibly low, like almost non-existent

 

[shacklesmcgee]

wow it might be best selling xbox ever in japan

which isn't saying much

joke post?

Spoiler

or didn't read OP?

 

[Occam]

wow it might be best selling xbox ever in japan

which isn't saying much

It's actually the worst. Scroll up, I made a nice diagram.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

What is there to take note of? They already know.

Are you sure? Their actions the last few years make me question if they know anything. I mean they made 3 FFXIII games.

 

[Shin-Ra]

I'm pretty sure Scalebound was for the west.

You'd think that's the intention but

I'm not sure who that trailer was supposed to appeal to.

 

[SURGEdude]

Surprising to see each Xbox launches at about half as many units as the previous one. The OG actually had a decent launch for a new brand in consoles. Seems like MS is doing a poor job building the brand over there.

 

[Coolwhip]

Console gaming is fiiiiiiiine!

 

[antitrop]

Dat 95% Titanfall attach rate

 

[vicissitudes]

Dat 95% Titanfall attach rate

Not as good as Knack's 101% attach rate.

 

[ryūkotsusei]

Take these Xbox 360 weekly sales figures, discard the first four weeks (December holidays) and divide them by 2 or 2.5 and that will be the performance we can expect for Xbox One after its launch.

 [B]Xbox 360 weekly sales[/B]

01 	2005-12-05 	62,135
02 	2005-12-12 	12,320
03 	2005-12-19 	10,035
04 	2005-12-26 	10,035
05 	2006-01-02 	8,655
06 	2006-01-09 	4,620
07 	2006-01-16 	2,762
08 	2006-01-23 	2,095
09 	2006-01-30 	2,022
10 	2006-02-06 	1,463
11 	2006-02-13 	1,212
12 	2006-02-20 	1,082
13 	2006-02-27 	1,020
14 	2006-03-06 	1,035
15 	2006-03-13 	1,181
16 	2006-03-20 	1,550
17 	2006-03-27 	2,636
18 	2006-04-03 	1,752
19 	2006-04-10 	1,780
20 	2006-04-17 	2,852
21 	2006-04-24 	2,381
22 	2006-05-01 	2,382
23 	2006-05-08 	1,496
24 	2006-05-15 	1,415
25 	2006-05-22 	1,218

Should we start taking bets on when Media Create stops tracking One?

 

[KooopaKid]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

You are truly an expert. Well done

Funny how people don't get second degree humor.

 

[cyber_ninja]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

Major Nelson is that you?

 

[Toxi]

Are people seriously disappointed by these sales? Let's look at the facts.

Fact: Xbox One sold more units this week than PS4 + Wii U + PS3 combined. That's a big accomplishment for the Xbox brand no matter how you spin it. Furthermore, it sold ~200x more than its predecessor this week, something neither the PS4 or Wii U did at launch.

You can't compare it to Xbox 1 numbers from back in 2002 and console sales were healthier than ever and smartphones didn't exist. That's not a fair comparison. Looking at the landscape today, 25k is very solid.

Fact: Wii U's launch numbers are inflated due to launching in a holiday week, only to crash and burn a month later when January rolled around. The Xbox One had a good first week, and it'll only pick up from here once December comes around.

Remember, the PS4 dropped ~80% its second week. I'll bet an arm and a leg that the One has longer legs. Let's see what happens next week.

This is amazing satire. A+