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Ah ah! OH OH! HI.LA.RIOUS.Ha ha! Stop hitting your keyboard so hard ;-)
...Why are we even having this conversation, again?
Ah ah! OH OH! HI.LA.RIOUS.Ha ha! Stop hitting your keyboard so hard ;-)
Look I offered up my FIRST HAND experience of a game on my PC and PS4 which shows that textures that you can see clearly are of the same quality and composite construction as PC on Ultra, this is factual and I know myself.
This was then met with, dont believe you, cant be because reasons..etc. It is not an argument or fan side I am on. Look at your posts here on this thread you are wound up.
It is relevant that the PC and PS4 are close visually, the 6GB need of ram is a mute point and clearly not needed to == PS4 textures and was not what I or others have said. But was is clear is that a 2GB card is going to have <Vram than both X1 and PS4 for textures this is a FACT and not a POV, you can argue and use old launch and x-gen games to defend this but I am at a lost as to why. 3-4GB is about what consoles will use for textures, using these on a PC with < this as Vram will result in System Ram to Card stutters and performance hits or wont run at all.
I think it just shows the amount of confusion and panic from many a new PC gamer at present. a 4gb card will be mostly fine this gen to get the same quality textures as Console (AF improvements aside), a 2gb card will not..simple I cannot understand the confusion and aggression here..I really can't?!
Yeah, we need to see the receipts.I'm confused now.
Oh I agree, but I still consider the 970 as upper midrange.
I'm confused now.
Yeah, but I play at 1440p, and personally, I don't think there's much need for SSAA there. Usually, 2xMSAA gives me satisfying results, or sometimes even good post-processing based solution like SMAA.
Ha ha! Stop hitting your keyboard so hard ;-)
I have no idea where and how deluded you are but I can see a rational conversation is wasted on you..fare de well and keep fighting the good fight!
Yeah, this is just an ingame-resolution-slider like in Battlefield 4 for example. Or downsampling (upsampling if you chose a lower-than-native res), or OGSSAA if you prefer. There seems to be some post-fx-aa going on as well, so even while OGSSAA is not perfect, it looks rather smooth.
With deferred rendering, implementing SGSSAA doesn't seem worth the extra work, implementing OGSSAA should be extremely simple compared to that.
Also: OGSSAA will do everything - brutal and inefficient but it will get everything - SGSSAA? Not necessarily. I always hated to see a very nice and smoothed-out picture with just one or two edges still flimmering violently. So there are some advantages to DS/OGSSAA.
and you don't notice this with OGSSAA at all? I see tons of temporal aliasing with 2x2 OGSSAA consistently and constantly.I always hated to see a very nice and smoothed-out picture with just one or two edges still flimmering violently.
So R_Deckard is not right about the console version's texture being Ultra?Those Ultra-Textures are supposedly a seperate download - which isn't availlable yet. So even when you set the option to "Ultra" you will only get "High" textures at the moment. When PC Gamer set everything on "Ultra", they still got "High" textures - This is not what (and, having seen the vid, shouldn't) they look like.
Could you have imagined last year having performance of a 970 under 350 dollars? Probably not . Now if only AMD comes out swinging, we can finally start seeing some 4k capable cards in the 300-400 range.
the console versions aren't using Ultra Textures right? or are they?
Alright.
Ultra-Textures are not available yet, so the PC Gamer Vid only uses "High".
I doubt even the ultra-textures will use 6 Gigs on 1080p however - High uses 2.7 Gigs but with downsampling from 2720 x 1700 @ 1920 x 1200. Reason because I didn't try 1080 is because Mordor recognizes my downsampling-resolution as native and will only use percentages of that- so instead of 1080p I'll get some really weired ones like 1927 x 1187 or something like that (and I can't be arsed to fix it right now).
There is however a ingame-supersampling option so you can set the internal rendering to 200 % and will get effectivly 4K-Res while still being in 1080p. If I'd use that coming from 1080p instead of 1700p I'd wager you'd be around 3 Gigs. So the recommendation seems plausible.
So with Ultra-Textures taking somewhat more VRAM and Supersampling enabled, 4 Gigs might be just not enough, making the jump to 6 Gigs logical. - Remember: With Supersampling you're effectively running 4K not 1080p. Coming from there, I'd wager you'll be absolutely fine with 3 Gigs running this game with everything set to ultra, including textures but disabled supersamping.
It also runs very nice. Everything set to ultra except textures and downsampling I get an average framerate of just over 60 with some minor drops to ~50. Setting this to 4K, I still get 45+ with a R9 290X. This is an Nvidia-sponsored game, so Geforce-users will probably be at least slightly higher than this with a similar performing GPU (GTX 780- 780T i, Titan, GTX 970)
I'll test that more in-depth at some point next week, so we'll see.
So much for not opimized.
So don't get your panties in a bunch ;-)
So with Ultra-Textures taking somewhat more VRAM and Supersampling enabled, 4 Gigs might be just not enough, making the jump to 6 Gigs logical. - Remember: With Supersampling you're effectively running 4K not 1080p. Coming from there, I'd wager you'll be absolutely fine with 3 Gigs running this game with everything set to ultra, including textures but disabled supersamping.
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Fine, junior, I'll explain it to you.
You have completely missed the point of alexandros's post, and given your ill-formated, pointless rant, I doubted if you even read his post.
He was merely explaining how a 770, and later, a PC performs compared to a PS4. Not telling people not to buy one.
was considering getting this for ps4 because a long repetitive-ish game like this would be better suited to my couch but damn the price difference
70 bucks for a brand new console game. and i can get it on PC for like 25 from some people in the BST thread.
yeah PC it is.
Holy shit, are they stupid if this is actually true.
They wrote at "1080p rendering resolution". If you use super sampling, internally the game isn't using that resolution, but 4K! There is a world of difference. This is why some people were shitting bricks, all the discussion was thinking this requirements were with a native 1080p.
Moral of the story,
If you've got a GPU with 2gb VRAM, you should really consider upgrading it when the new 8gb cards come out in November (980, 970 and possibly 960).
If you have a 4gb VRAM GPU, no need to upgrade anytime soon, it should last you 1-2 years as its rarely that you need more than that to run games in High or Ultra settings (High in the case of this game).
So the part at the end saying its not worth buying a console at launch due to.it being inferior just like the watch dogs port which could be just as craply optimised as it was on PC it gets tire some seeing the same PC crowd (not all) with the attitude consoles are inferior just based on specs it gets boring its misinformation as a whole just like alot of the bullshit console gamers say about PC. Lets get this right I will play games on anything minus fucking phones and my most played game.is on PC its my pic if people look I do apologise if it didnt seem direct to what he says but my point still stands.
That's a pretty weak response to being proven wrong. If you don't want to discuss anything, then say so from the start.Ha ha! Stop hitting your keyboard so hard ;-)
I have no idea where and how deluded you are but I can see a rational conversation is wasted on you..fare de well and keep fighting the good fight!
The game has full gamepad support on PC so comfy couch gaming shouldn't be a problem.
I'm assuming your pulling this data out of your arse as there's no currently prescribed date or announcement for 8Gb cards.
Oh, I assumed you meant so anyway. But I argue for the sake of quality and the same future proofing that I believe is a good thing for PC gaming.By not worth the trouble I meant form a developers point-of-view. ;-) So they go for SSAA - which is not brilliant but okay from my perspective beats those millions of DX9-console-ports with nothing at all. I actually agree with you for the greatest parts.
I'd nearly always prefer SGSSAA (actually Rotated Grid or RGSSAA when we're at it), but some games with some weired shaders don't work so well.
And I always combine DS with a post-fx-aa (preferably SMAA), which work better with an higher resolution than they would with the native. Tog
This is true, but those millions of DX9-Console ports with nothing at all have the direct advantage of having a myriad of techniques that can be used with Nvidia cards.beats those millions of DX9-console-ports with nothing at all.
RGSSAA when done properly too, could far beat out OGSSAA in many ways. SC:Blacklist had it IIRC, but it didn't work very well.I'd nearly always prefer SGSSAA (actually Rotated Grid or RGSSAA when we're at it),
And I always combine DS with a post-fx-aa (preferably SMAA), which work better with an higher resolution than they would with the native
Most people don't have their PC also connected to a TV, or maybe it is in an entirely different room.
That's a pretty weak response to being proven wrong. If you don't want to discuss anything, then say so from the start.
I just don't understand how you got PC elitism out of a post that clearly stated the PS4 has a distinct VRAM advantage compared to 2GB cards. And the rest of the post was meant to point out that the old axiom of "buy console at launch and a PC later" isn't applicable any more. Not that you should not buy a console under any circumstances.
Most people don't have their PC also connected to a TV, or maybe it is in an entirely different room.
When you'll get non-reference versions of the current cards there are very likely 8Gb cards between them.
No its not, I have already proved it with images months ago and posted again, I am not getting drawn into another debate on this.That's a pretty weak response to being proven wrong. If you don't want to discuss anything, then say so from the start.
Moral of the story,
If you've got a GPU with 2gb VRAM, you should really consider upgrading it when the new 8gb cards come out in November (980, 970 and possibly 960).
If you have a 4gb VRAM GPU, no need to upgrade anytime soon, it should last you 1-2 years as its rarely that you need more than that to run games in High or Ultra settings (High in the case of this game).
No, he was saying ditching PC for a console this time around is a bad idea, and that doesn't automatically equates going PC only, one can own both you know?So the part at the end saying its not worth buying a console at launch due to.it being inferior just like the watch dogs port which could be just as craply optimised as it was on PC it gets tire some seeing the same PC crowd (not all) with the attitude consoles are inferior just based on specs it gets boring its misinformation as a whole just like alot of the bullshit console gamers say about PC. Lets get this right I will play games on anything minus fucking phones and my most played game.is on PC its my pic if people look I do apologise if it didnt seem direct to what he says but my point still stands.
Whether or not you own both has no bearing on the facts at all.Fact is WD on PS4 has same textures when you look at them to PC on Ultra. Owning both I know this to be Fact.
Couch gaming works great on PC. If you want it the option, you have it. I know a lot of people here, myself included, have their PCs hooked up to their TV. I run a long HDMI cable down into the basement and back up behind my TV (something like a 50 foot run).
The Bluetooth adapter for my DS4 that I have works without issue on my couch, and I can mirror the display back to my desk for the instances where using the trackpad on the DS4 as a mouse doesn't work. Combine that with steam big picture mode, and you've got yourself an amazing setup.
Other options include putting a much less powerful media PC or steam box next to your TV and using Steam streaming, or buying something like the Alienware X51 to use more like a console and having it hooked up directly. Many other options exist.
As a cherry on top, you are going directly against developer confirmation of NG consoles being equivalent to "high" settings, not ultra: https://twitter.com/SyrupCommander/statuses/469091994514366464
There's no MSAA. Only option for AA is SSAA in different scales.
Not even FXAA/SMAA? I can't afford SSAA with my rig. :/
What? THe game appears good in areas but that good?With this and the evil withins requirements I think it's time for a rethink. May wait for the 8gb versions or nab 2 780 6gbs on a sale.
If they can get that kind of VRAM before Witcher 3 and not involve cutting my leg, then we're good.Wait 2 or 3 months, 8GB models shouldn't be far out. If you buy with EVGA they have a nice step up program to where you can upgrade within 90 days of purchasing the card. Ie, EVGA puts out a 8GB model in November you can send them the card and 50 dollars to get the version with more memory.
Aren't you making a heterodoxical claim without putting forth proof in the first place?No its not, I have already proved it with images months ago and posted again, I am not getting drawn into another debate on this.
Fact is WD on PS4 has same textures when you look at them to PC on Ultra. Owning both I know this to be Fact.
The amount of ppl here sticking fingers in there ears with "la la" and stating I am wrong with less "proof" than me is the real issue.
if you are all so sure that PS4 is the same as high textures on PC then show proof, simple.
Why is this turning into an argument is beyond me!
No its not, I have already proved it with images months ago and posted again, I am not getting drawn into another debate on this.
Fact is WD on PS4 has same textures when you look at them to PC on Ultra. Owning both I know this to be Fact.
The amount of ppl here sticking fingers in there ears with "la la" and stating I am wrong with less "proof" than me is the real issue.
if you are all so sure that PS4 is the same as high textures on PC then show proof, simple.
Why is this turning into an argument is beyond me!
Me and my mates all have our PC's connected to our TV's now. Comfy couch gaming is awesome.
Couch gaming works great on PC. If you want it the option, you have it. I know a lot of people here, myself included, have their PCs hooked up to their TV. I run a long HDMI cable down into the basement and back up behind my TV (something like a 50 foot run).
The Bluetooth adapter for my DS4 that I have works without issue on my couch, and I can mirror the display back to my desk for the instances where using the trackpad on the DS4 as a mouse doesn't work. Combine that with steam big picture mode, and you've got yourself an amazing setup.
Other options include putting a much less powerful media PC or steam box next to your TV and using Steam streaming, or buying something like the Alienware X51 to use more like a console and having it hooked up directly. Many other options exist.
Does the developer own both copies though?
Whether or not you own both has no bearing on the facts at all.
The facts are that W_D on console uses a mixture of medium, high and ultra textures. On PC "ultra", it uses only ultra textures. This has been confirmed by actual analysis of what the game does.
So basically, you are completely wrong, have been so for 5 pages, and are obnoxious about it.
As a cherry on top, you are going directly against developer confirmation of NG consoles being equivalent to "high" settings, not ultra: https://twitter.com/SyrupCommander/statuses/469091994514366464
Whether or not you own both has no bearing on the facts at all.
The facts are that W_D on console uses a mixture of medium, high and ultra textures. On PC "ultra", it uses only ultra textures. This has been confirmed by actual analysis of what the game does.
So basically, you are completely wrong, have been so for 5 pages, and are obnoxious about it.
As a cherry on top, you are going directly against developer confirmation of NG consoles being equivalent to "high" settings, not ultra: https://twitter.com/SyrupCommander/statuses/469091994514366464
Aren't you making a heterodoxical claim without putting forth proof in the first place?
Lol, you think PS4 version of SoM has texture quality equal to Ultra?
Show me this proof then of it other than a tweet?
I think you mean heterodoxy and no I posted images months ago. On a screen looking at them with my eyes Ultra textures=PS4 textures end of.
No as I have stated above, this strawman witch hunt is comical and derailing this thread so I am done here.
On a screen looking at them with my eyes Ultra textures=PS4 textures end of.
No as I have stated above, this strawman witch hunt is comical and derailing this thread so I am done here.