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Pokémon X and Y will not receive a patch for compatibility with ORAS's new Megas
- Thread starter Exterminieren
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balladofwindfishes
Member
Platinum has Shaymin and Rotom forms as well, which were not compatible with Diamond/Pearl. They aren't ubers, Rotom isn't even a legendary.
Also Deoxys in Ruby and Sapphire was pretty nerfed due to the lack of the newer (and better) forms. Actually the way Deoxys worked in the third gen was all weird anyway.
FR/LG and Emerald both didn't have 20+ new Megas or whatever like Ruby/Sapphires remakes is going to do. For instance, Deoxy had a form for both Fire Red and Leaf Green but when traded to Emerald it didn't suddenly change forms because it had that form. Same for moving it back to FR/LG.
You can't simply force those Mega evolutions backwards. I mean, you could but it'd piss a lot of people off.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Actually Deoxys DID change forms when traded between the various versions. His stats also adjusted.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
I'm calling it right now, next year has definitive version Pokemon Z and Pokemon Delta Emerald release together in winter of 2015. They will be compatible and have some connecting story between the two with all features included.
WrenchNinja
Member
so faithfulbeing faithful to the originals brehs
I can't wait to play as the ICONIC Brendan and May who have so much PERSONALITY in the remake of POKEMON RUBY and SAPPHIRE and experience their WONDERFUL STORY and watch their CHARACTER develop
the greatest characters of all time
If there won't be patch, I'm pretty sure we won't be able to have battles between XY and ORAS. I don't think there'll be sutpid messages like "You can't attach that item to your pokémon, Kalos region does not have it".
All I care about post-game. original RSE post game was the worst, there was nothing else to do after you beat E4. Emerald had Battle Frontier, but Poké Mansion is tons better than that. I just want brand new cities/places to unlock after beating E4, with tons of lv 65 wild pokés roaming around.
All I care about post-game. original RSE post game was the worst, there was nothing else to do after you beat E4. Emerald had Battle Frontier, but Poké Mansion is tons better than that. I just want brand new cities/places to unlock after beating E4, with tons of lv 65 wild pokés roaming around.
Z version = sure, Emerald remake = doubtful. No precedence of them ever remaking a third version.
Glass Rebel
Member
Shouldn't it be Mega Rayquaza on the Delta Emerald cover?
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Are you serious? I have framerate drops in battles with the 3D off for fuck's sake.
I guess I'll save my money for that then.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Image was made before reveal.
Glass Rebel
Member
Well, they shouldn't have made it then!
It may very well have been a design decision, but it was a bad one. In a game where you're supposed to be able to impart yourself on to the player avatar, having as many inclusive customisation features is actually important. This game runs on the exact same engine as X/Y which had the option to change your skin tone. Why does removing that not matter? Why shouldn't darker skinned people be able to create an avatar that better resembles themselves, especially when the previous game in the series gave them the ability to? The Gen 1 remakes added a female trainer when the original didn't include it. I'm not buying these "they want to remain faithful to the originals!!!" arguments.
And yeah, I don't like calling devs lazy, but just look at X/Y and consider the position Game Freak are in. They are a first party developer for Nintendo. They've been making Pokemon games since the 90's. Now compare X/Y to other games on the platform. It runs like ass, it lacks 3D, it's overall a pretty shoddy engine. On top of that, now they're removing something as simple as skin tone. They have the money and the ability, there's nothing stopping them from including stuff like this.
what's the Poke Mansion? I know you aren't referring to that place in Cinnabar Island so the Maison in X/Y?
oh hell naw, the Frontier completely wrecks the Maison.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
They also had never made a sequel title before either and then Black 2 and White 2 happened. Plus Nintendo trademarked Delta Emerald. I think it's going to happen.
I don't know about anyone else but I wasn't expecting to be able to send new stuff in this game back to X and Y. If you want to use the new stuff you buy the new game, that's the way it's always been with Pokemon. I'm not sure exactly why you would want to send new megas back to X/Y anyway, seeing as it appears you can do everything in this game that you can in X/Y and more. You would also need OR/AS to obtain the new mega stones in the first place. Suffice to say, I don't really get why people are upset about this.
being faithful to the originals brehs
Whoa whoa whoa there...that was a cap and not his badass spiky hair?
PreyingShark
Member
I hope that the game after ORAS brings back trainer customization forever.
See, the default skin tone is actually *too dark* for me... And no, I'm not joking. I'm white as hell.
See, the default skin tone is actually *too dark* for me... And no, I'm not joking. I'm white as hell.
After consideration, I think I agree with you - nice argument!
...especially now that I've read that Masuda interview regarding character customizations....
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/so-d...-customization
They always take out a bunch of trademarks, some of which never see the light of day.
Gold/Silver were sequels
But seriously though, I don't see it happening.
Fair enough.
But not patching XY so people with those games could at least battle with ORAS users is inexcusable. Removing trainer customization outright is inexcusable. I mean, the feature is already built right into the XY engine - it actually required more effort to remove it than it leave it in and add a few additional details.
Yep, it was a hat the whole time!
...the emerald design gave it away first though...
GloriousBagel
Banned
Pegosaurus
Banned
isn't this more of an issue with the hardware rather than the engine? 3D battles will surely run smoother on the new3DS right?
it's the same for anyone who downloads CoD or a yearly release like that
I downloaded Y digitally too, but once ORAS comes out I'm never going to play it anyway
rollerblades sucked, the bike was so much smoother to control
It isn't Nintendo though, it's GameFreak.
...plus, GAF has a defense force for everything, it's not Nintendo exclusive!
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
It was a bad design decision, quite frankly.
Maybe if enough noise is made, it'll be in the next games.
For now, I'm just plain not worried about getting ORAS at this point. Will grab it much later (doubt I'll skip it entirely). Wouldn't be the first time I didn't grab a game in the series on launch, though its rare.
renegade_dewitt
Member
The same could've been said about the new pokemon seen in GSC and them not being compatible with RBY. Although I do agree with the point that in this day and age, releasing a patch to XY could be done. Disappointed that Gamefreak took this stance, but history tells that this is the way Gamefreak has been treating their Pokemon games for sometime now.
They never released patches for backward compatibillity's sake, why do it now?
They never released patches for backward compatibillity's sake, why do it now?
Not everyone is going to be disappointed by this, and that's perfectly fine.
Nope thats 100% the fault of the engine. Problems with the hardware would be Smash 3DS which is optimized as fuck to the point where it steals some of the 3DS' resources left for the OS just to operate at full power.
XY is a bloated mess thats stuck at 30fps with PLENTY of framedrops with no 3D in most cases. Even Capcom managed to do infinitely better with Street Fighter and Resident Evil which are much more demanding games.
Femmeworth
Banned
Guess they want to force the competition scene to move and/or Game Freak not good with computers.
I should have been more specific - ORAS users won't be able to use new Megas, attacks, or effects in battle against X and Y users...which makes zero sense. I just find it a bit ridiculous that ORAS users will have to form specific teams just so that they can battle against XY users.
And then there's the outright eradication of trainer customization.
I just don't like the message it sends.
balladofwindfishes
Member
iirc Nintendo had owned the trademarks on Pokemon Diamond since before Gold and Silver came out
Velcro Fly
Member
Yeah I'm buying the game but this is pure bullshit
If Monster Hunter can run at >30fps I can't see any reason why Pokemon can't stay at a stable 30 at least. It's not as if it's a graphically impressive game, at all.
Hell, a more recent example is Smash. That thing runs at 60 the vast majority of the time with 3D on! The Pokemon engine is just unoptimised to hell.
The reason Pokémon runs at sub-30fps is because the models used are ridiculously detailed and well modelled. The amount of polygons in them is ridiculous.
The X & Y engine is too advanced for the 3DS really.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
It's been known to be moved since like Summer.
And they own the trademark to WaterBlue and dozens of other speculative names that they haven't used yet.
Rayquaza is being incorporated into ORAS with a mega and a plotline, there's no reason to think that they'll be getting yet another remake when that was one of the primary differences between RS and E.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Did you not like the message when Giratina, Shaymin and Rotom in Platinum couldn't take their new forms into battle with Diamond and Pearl? This exact scenario has happened before...
And X/Y really can't be patched to add in all these new forms. There's save game compatibility issues and game size issues to consider. Early on they said they weren't going to do any major patches to X and Y, this should be entirely expected.
Pegosaurus
Banned
Interesting, it is pretty weird that they don't try to make any improvements.
If the reason is because of the models though, I don't know how I feel because I love the detail of the lm and how sweet they look.
ColtraineGF
Member
They aren't a first-party developer, however. They make Pokemon games for Nintendo, but that doesn't stop them releasing games on other platforms (recent example being Solitiba, started on 3DS and now on Android/iOS). They just work extremely closely with them when it comes to Pokemon. Game Freak is no EAD, that's for sure.
Also, they are far from being the best on whatever handheld they work on. *Every Single Generation* has been filled with glitches of some sort. Every generation and remake has something added, with something else removed (starting with no day/night in RS). It's one thing to call them out on it (you could be doing that from the very first games), but to act like this is some new development is disingenuous.