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[Kazuma Kiryu]

Do we have to? It makes me die a little inside.

Maybe just give a little peek!

Unless your local Target store blankets the entire country, what happens there doesn't mean much.

I'm really waiting for the next NPD predictions thread where another "retailer insider" comes in and says that, according to his store, X1 is selling better, therefore, X1 will outsell PS4 that month. It's almost becoming a tradition at this point.

 

[MavFan619]

"Poor" is subjective.

I enjoyed infamous, killzone and knack.

From what I've played of Driveclub it was good but unfortunately the game is incomplete so I'll return to it at a later date.

I also have an XB1 but the only games on it that interest me are the Forza titles.

Sadly for some we couldn't have possibly enjoyed the exclusives thus far and must align completely with what metacrtic tells us to think about them. Not to mention as an Xbone owner this coming Thursday owning the PS4 as well is still worthwhile as a multiplat will never enter my Xbone.

 

[IndoAssassin]

I just simply prefer playing multi-plat games on my PS4 than my X1. Why? Because I just simply do and I don't have to justify anything especially not to some dude on the internet.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Exclusive are not the only thing that matters.
Still it's rather funny people saying PS4 has poor exclusive when there games still out selling what are suppose to be good ones .

It is kind of strange. I've purchased every retail PS4 exclusive so far, and I haven't been disappointed with a single one. There may just be a disconnect between gamers and Metacritic averages.

I just simply prefer playing multi-plat games on my PS4 than my X1. Why? Because I just simply do and I don't have to justify anything especially not to some dude on the internet.

I don't think you should have to justify anything at this point. The PS4 is consistently better when it comes to performance.

 

[Handy Fake]

Maybe just give a little peek!



I'm really waiting for the next NPD predictions thread where another "retailer insider" comes in and says that, according to his store, X1 is selling better, therefore, X1 will outsell PS4 that month. It's almost becoming a tradition at this point.

 

[stryke]

What anyone does with their consoles around here is irrelevant frankly.

 

[Jacksinthe]

This whole thread is people justifying their purchase choice of the ps4 via the fact that ps4 has such high sales, I'm saying the sales are unjustified and the ps4 is highly overrated.

MS stained itself with DRM. That affected everyone.
MS stained itself with their indie parity clause. That affected devs including myself. Now it affects everyone via less choice of titles on One.
MS stained itself with a higher priced weaker box. That's just common sense.
MS stained itself by simply not paying attention to the consumer's interests which is their largest fault, IMO.

Sony stained itself with.... Stability updates?

Right. Totally undeserved sales. Free-er policies. Higher powerrice ratio. Listening to consumer feedback from PS3 era. None of that should be rewarded. We should all extend our hands and take whatever pittance MS begrudgingly ALLOWS us to have, right?

I want to hear your angle. Why is it unjustified? Because ... ... DC is having server issues?

You don't just drive-by and not give reasons.

 

[boredandlazy]

MS stained itself with DRM. That affected everyone.
MS stained itself with their indie parity clause. That affected devs including myself. Now it affects everyone via less choice of titles on One.
MS stained itself with a higher priced weaker box. That's just common sense.
MS stained itself by simply not paying attention to the consumer's interests which is their largest fault, IMO.

Sony stained itself with.... Stability updates?

Right. Totally undeserved sales. Free-er policies. Higher powerrice ratio. Listening to consumer feedback from PS3 era. None of that should be rewarded. We should all extend our hands and take whatever pittance MS begrudgingly ALLOWS us to have, right?

I want to hear your angle. Why is it unjustified? Because ... ... DC is having server issues?

You don't just drive-by and not give reasons.

Because he's a narcissist.

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

This whole thread is people justifying their purchase choice of the ps4 via the fact that ps4 has such high sales, I'm saying the sales are unjustified and the ps4 is highly overrated.

Is it? People talk shit about it all the time, to say nothing of the fact that PC folks think it's garbage to begin with. Overrated compared to the XB1? Maybe, I wouldn't know.

 

[Majmun]

Driveclub, Knack, Infamous, Killzone I dunno for such a poor exclusive line up it surprises me how well it is selling.

Driveclub, Infamous and Killzone are pretty decent games. Infamous and Driveclub are actually great games. The Ps4 also has some great indie exclusives and superior multiplatform games.

The Playstation brand is also way bigger than the Xbox brand.

So to me it's not surprising that the Ps4 is selling as much as it does...

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

I wonder if we'll be seeing "Advanced Warfare deoderant--the new fragrance by Sony" ads soon.

 

[SgtCobra]

Driveclub, Knack, Infamous, Killzone I dunno for such a poor exclusive line up it surprises me how well it is selling.

Because people buy consoles just to play exclusives right?

 

[QuikNez]

Driveclub, Infamous and Killzone are pretty decent games. Infamous and Driveclub are actually great games. The Ps4 also has some great indie exclusives and superior multiplatform games.

The Playstation brand is also way bigger than the Xbox brand.

So to me it's not surprising that the Ps4 is selling as much as it does...

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

MS stained itself with DRM. That affected everyone.
MS stained itself with their indie parity clause. That affected devs including myself. Now it affects everyone via less choice of titles on One.
MS stained itself with a higher priced weaker box. That's just common sense.
MS stained itself by simply not paying attention to the consumer's interests which is their largest fault, IMO.

Sony stained itself with.... Stability updates?

Right. Totally undeserved sales. Free-er policies. Higher powerrice ratio. Listening to consumer feedback from PS3 era. None of that should be rewarded. We should all extend our hands and take whatever pittance MS begrudgingly ALLOWS us to have, right?

I want to hear your angle. Why is it unjustified? Because ... ... DC is having server issues?

You don't just drive-by and not give reasons.

/close

 

[BigDug13]

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

PS1 outsold everything. PS2 outsold everything. PS3 outsold 360 and only got beat by fluke waggle console. PS4 is beating everyone.

 

[onQ123]

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

Over 400 million Consoles / Handhelds sold vs just over 100 million sold.

 

[Biker19]

Ps4 has no good exclusives.

LOL. Xbox One has good exclusives, where exactly?

DeadRising 3? Also on PC.
TitanFall? Also on 360 & PC.
Ryse: Son of Rome? Also on PC.
Forza Horizon 2? Also on 360.
Sunset Overdrive? I'll give you that one.
Halo: Master Chief Collection? 3 out of the 4 games in that collection are also on 360.

I can go on & on.

 

[shacklesmcgee]

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

Uhhh the thread you're in is proof

 

[CoG]

Driveclub, Knack, Infamous, Killzone I dunno for such a poor exclusive line up it surprises me how well it is selling.

Exclusives don't matter as much as people think they do. Also, PS4 gets a lot of shit for having "poor exclusives" but no exclusive on Xbox One has cracked over 90 on metacritic. Master Chief Collection may do it though. As it stands, neither console has a killer next gen exclusive, if you go by ratings.

 

[Majmun]

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

Really?

MS' only commercially successful console has been the Xbox 360 so far. And that was thanks to the early start. We'll see how the X1 will turn out.

All of the Sony consoles have been a commercial success. And the trend continues with the Ps4. See this thread for proof.

The Playstation brand is bigger than the Xbox brand. Especially in Europe, where the Xbox brand has been struggling since day 1, except for the UK. Playstation does well in all regions, while Xbox does only perform well in NA and UK.

So let's not...

 

[CozMick]

Good sales.

Now imagine when Uncharted 4, Bloodborne, Gran Turismo 7 and The Last Of Us 2 get released.

 

[QuikNez]

Over 400 million Consoles / Handhelds sold vs just over 100 million sold.

Thanks gents.

I'm a detail whore, my pet peave is qualitative baseless statements.

I also think the PS and XBOX brand recognition is arguable, but I won't open that can in this thread.

 

[Majmun]

I also think the PS and XBOX brand recognition is arguable, but I won't open that can in this thread.

No, because the numbers will prove you otherwise...

 

[benny_a]

I also think the PS and XBOX brand recognition is arguable, but I won't open that can in this thread.

I think that is a worthy topic. If you want to discuss this PM me an OP and I will post a thread for you.

I would like to know what people can use for metrics to assess this.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

LOL. Xbox One has good exclusives, where exactly?

DeadRising 3? Also on PC.
TitanFall? Also on 360 & PC.
Ryse: Son of Rome? Also on PC.
Forza Horizon 2? Also on 360.
Sunset Overdrive? I'll give you that one.
Halo: Master Chief Collection: 3 of the 4 games are also on 360.

I can go on & on.

To be fair, what other game do you need though?

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

If Sony fails will some big company like xiaomi buy playstation or could they survive on their own?

 

[Majmun]

I think that is a worthy topic. If you want to discuss this PM me an OP and I will post a thread for you.

I would like to know what people can use for metrics to assess this.

It depends if he wants to talk about the brand awareness in just NA, or across the whole world. Because if it's the latter, don't even bother.

 

[Americanmushroom]

People always say that MS fucked up their reveal and launch. Personally I think the problem was even before that. The end of the 360 was quite poor compared to the PS3 and the focus on kinect on the 360 was really making some people pissed. Even before the reveal I remember my friend saying: yeah next gen im only getting a PS4 dude, I'm not gonna get scammed like that 360 that is gathering dust..

 

[TheSlySoul]

Exclusives don't matter as much as people think they do.

Pretty much. Wii U has the most exclusives but is in last place. It is all about marketing, word of mouth, and third-party support.

 

[Portugeezer]

People always say that MS fucked up their reveal and launch. Personally I think the problem was even before that. The end of the 360 was quite poor compared to the PS3 and the focus on kinect on the 360 was really making some people pissed. Even before the reveal I remember my friend saying: yeah next gen im only getting a PS4 dude, I'm not gonna get scammed like that 360 that is gathering dust..

Some of that, I would agree.

 

[jordan0386]

LOL. Xbox One has good exclusives, where exactly?

DeadRising 3? Also on PC.
TitanFall? Also on 360 & PC.
Ryse: Son of Rome? Also on PC.
Forza Horizon 2? Also on 360.
Sunset Overdrive? I'll give you that one.
Halo: Master Chief Collection: 3 of the 4 games are also on 360.

I can go on & on.

Damn, why we always have to go thru this. Its on Xbox and not on PS. That's all that matters!

A large percentage of the home console demo, does not have gaming PCs.

 

[3rdamention]

FWIW I walked into the local Target in my town and overheard the clerks complaining about customers bitching about the "White xbox bundle" being out of stock.

I think Sony just might be losing a bit of that mind share and customer goodwill they had off the mark with PS4 due to network and first party inconsistency, and XONE is only making itself more and more appealing despite the 180's and initial tuemoil. Customers are quick to forget when theres fun looking content jumping at their eyeball.

Sony's gotta stop selling promises and actually deliver something concrete with a strong message or theyre gonna lose that momentum that was carrying their PS2-esque comeback.

So Sony is losing mindshare based on a conversation you heard at Target?


Did you ever think that there were just some people that wanted the SO bundle and bitched when it was out of stock? Which still sounds absurd "why don't you have anymore of the thing I want"


Also, what are these false promises Sony is selling? This is a weird post bro....fwiw

 

[Ol No Bones]

LOL. Xbox One has good exclusives, where exactly?

DeadRising 3? Also on PC.
TitanFall? Also on 360 & PC.
Ryse: Son of Rome? Also on PC.
Forza Horizon 2? Also on 360.
Sunset Overdrive? I'll give you that one.
Halo: Master Chief Collection: 3 of the 4 games are also on 360.

I can go on & on.

The good old game is on PC as if that's a bad thing argument. You can't get those games on PS4. If you look at the first party game on PS4 that you can't get on XB1 I think its a fair evaluation to say quality is severely lacking. That's obviously subjective but I think most those criticisms ring true.

 

[OccamsLightsaber]

Occam's

Spoiler

Razor

Lightsaber

Why is the PS4 selling so much?

People want it.

Why is it outselling the X1

Because more people want the PS4 than the X1.

But, why?

Because since June 2013 the PS4 is considered the best place to play video games. That's a narrative that sells consoles.

What can MS do to gain more ground in the US?

Figuratively go at PlayStation's throat. Hit them where it hurts and highlight their weakness (currently 1st party throughput and their network) like a political ad campaign. Other than that they better pray that MCC is a massive hit. I can't see anyone but a Halo fan buying that though.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

Lol "You say the sun gives energy to all life on Earth? Prove it!"

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

God, I wish people knew what exclusive meant.

 

[Schweinehund]

Exclusives don't matter as much as people think they do. Also, PS4 gets a lot of shit for having "poor exclusives" but no exclusive on Xbox One has cracked over 90 on metacritic. Master Chief Collection may do it though. As it stands, neither console has a killer next gen exclusive, if you go by ratings.

This is true, a good portion of third party titles get the most attention now a days. This doesn't excuse the exclusive offerings from being awful for the most part though. Hoping Bloodborne can redeem my purchase.

 

[Ol No Bones]

God, I wish people knew what exclusive meant.

Can you tell us what you mean by that?

 

[Salex_]

Can someone help me understand why people act like MS had so many exclusives this year? For the first 3 quarters, Kinect Sports Rivals was the only retail game they had. If someone wants to include games that are also on PC then that's 2.

Does the holiday season erase the rest of the year? Or is it because MS is actively marketing FH2, Sunset Overdrive, and Halo MCC?

The good old game is on PC as if that's a bad thing argument. You can't get those games on PS4. If you look at the first party game on PS4 that you can't get on XB1 I think its a fair evaluation to say quality is severely lacking. That's obviously subjective but I think most those criticisms ring true.

If you're going for the games that aren't on the competitors consoles, then I can't see how that's true at all.

 

[benny_a]

If you're going for the games that aren't on the competitors consoles, then I can't see how that's true at all.

The minimum of 50 games that are on PS4 but not on Xbone are all bad though.

Their leaked upcoming Q1 ad campaign states: We don't have the same quality games but at least we have a shit ton more. I think they signed an iOS marketing firm.

 

[DustyVonEric]

Damn, Playstation success is driving some people absolutely nuts.

To actually state that the PS4 sales are unjustified and to be bothered by it...

Still waiting for the appearance of that one poster that shows up in sales threads and says multiple times that s/he's "sad" at X1 sales because MS is not given a fair shake.

You have someone with actual NPD data fudging facts and conveniently forgetting data to fill some agenda.

And new people popping into a sales thread just to state that the PS4 has no games, in what seems to me an attempt to derail or at least downplay ps4 success at all cost.

We even have someone arguing how great the family share plan was going to be, and is better in every way than PS Share Play.

What is it about one company having great news that bothers people so much?

Man, I hope MS wins NPD in Oct (don't know about that one) or Nov / Dec just so some of you can step away from the ledge.

This thread did some good though, it summoned CBOAT and Ami back. Now all we need is Aqua and a more humble Mortimer to return just in time for the holidays to get this party really jamming.

 

[Palpable]

Destiny selling a lot more on Xbox One.
Despite the double digit millions Sony invested in the title.

Just throwing that stat out there for fun.
Console hardware sales don't always tell the full story for the industry as a whole.

Spoiler

Just talking about US for now

I find that hard to believe. Source?

 

[FeiRR]

It is interesting to see Sony in Europe competing pretty nicely with tactical bundles and price cuts - worked to offset the Fifa bundle, and they are doing it again now.

But what are SCEA doing in the US? If they are holding their cards close to their chests then they really need to start showing if they want to influence November. I hope their hands aren't tied by stock limitations.

Maybe Sony cares more about profit than regional dominance? Remember that PS4 is around $500 in EU, not $400

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger" prove it.

In several European languages 'Playstation' is synonymous to 'console'.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Damn, why we always have to go thru this. Its on Xbox and not on PS. That's all that matters!

A large percentage of the home console demo, does not have gaming PCs.

It makes arguing easier.

All this shit is semantics and data that has little to do with playing game anyway.

Like, I saw this whole run of posts about how Phil Spencer said explicitly he wanted to win, so that XBO being second (or third? I honestly don't even know) is a failure for the console that somehow would resonate to us? Like, people who play games?

The fact is, this quarter, as an XBO owner, has been astonishingly amazing. FH2, Sunset Overdrive, Halo in like three weeks? Even Destiny.

But guess what. FH2 sold like a dud, Halo MCC is just a bunch of old games wrapped in a new box, and Sunset Overdrive, well, luckily the game I bought an Xbox One for, well, no one can say shit about that. It's fucking brilliant and perfect and GOTY to pretty much anyone who's touched it.

It's super easy to point XBO as a failure in the marketplace. What's that line in "Reagan"? "But the facts and the evidence tell me, I did not." But the reality that matters a little more to me personally as that after a disastrous launch by anyone's most generous estimation, is that they built a totally fucking amazing console in time for me to get one by the time Sunset came out.

I get it. I was here in 2005. I fought in the trenches against ProSonents every day. I got banned more than once. I totally understand the appeal of these conversations. And if the XBO was still a nightmare from which no cool games could ever crawl out of, I'd even see the need for kicking around the thing.

But it's not. And I don't really believe that MS or the XBO are in a state where the project could ever be abandoned. I think they could spend the entire generation in second place and still make Microsoft money.

And Phil Spencer could say anything he wants about wanting to win, but I think at the end of the day, that's the thing they're most focused on.

As always, though, YMMV.

 

[Winterfang]

I love this movie. The Gif name says Matrix LOL

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Can you tell us what you mean by that?

An exclusive is a game that can only be played on one platform, like Bloodborne or Sunset Overdrive or Bayonetta 2. That's it. Is a game available on more than one platform? Then it's not an exclusive game, like TLoU or Ryse.

It's unfortunate that people have adopted the "console/ecosystem/whatever exclusive" terms that these companies started to win PR arguments.

 

[Biker19]

I love qualitative certainty.

Don't just say PS brand is "way bigger," prove it.

Guess you weren't around back in the PS1 & PS2 days, then.

 

[DustyVonEric]

I find that hard to believe. Source?

He's been called out on it by others and a mod for not making any sense and derailing the topic.

Let it rest

 

[Steroyd]

Damn, why we always have to go thru this. Its on Xbox and not on PS. That's all that matters!

A large percentage of the home console demo, does not have gaming PCs.

Tell that to markets like Germany, where MS have to do better in to even have a hope in the European market and subsequently worldwide overall.

 

[EmptySpace]

can we just get away from this "oh i hope xbone sells as good as ps4 because competition..."


let's not use what we read in high school textbooks as an argument.


the automatic negative connotation attached to monopolies should have died in the 90s.

the market leaders of today are the ones who keep on innovating, on pouring money on r&d, and most likely are the ones who explore new ways of doing things, of trying out new tricks, of taking more risks.

why? they all don't want to lose their market share.

"oh they'll become complacent!"

look around you. look at the past 15 years or so. amazon, apple, google, etc. a lot of the forward-thinking companies have expanded beyond their scope, have transformed and they continue to do so. no market leader us there resting on their laurels. in fact, they've been so aggressive at being ahead of everyone. 9 years and youtube is still the de facto video-sharing website.

look at playstation. they are doing morpheus, shareplay, psnow, broadcast, remote play, etc. all before they even knew that they're gonna take the lead. that's how businesses operate now. okay, except oil and gas companies but they're going away anyway.

so don't come here with monopoly=always bad, competition=always good baloney that you read on page 1 of your high school textbook. if some company can't keep up with the market leader's offerings, then so be it. there is nothing evil or wrong with that, nor will it kill the industry.