Nah, it's pretty different this gen. Now apparently resolution and framerate don't matter. Strange.
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Updated numbers show PS4 selling twice as much as XB1
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Nah, it's pretty different this gen. Now apparently resolution and framerate don't matter. Strange.
DidntKnowJack
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Today I learned that competition is over rated. Oh Gaf.
Yep. Very funny thread.
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No, it's pretty much the same -- just a different side saying it.
Same things were said when EA Sports games ran in a better framerate on the 360 during the first few years of last gen.
People with MCC aren't going to care about first half being dry. That collection is a spectacular deal. That, among the good lineup this fall should keep people going. I've had to wait for anything of significance for my PS4 for longer.
SmokedMeat
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Sure, and they could make a heck of a lot less money due to a far higher rate of piracy and racing to the bottom with online sales, while giving a cut to Valve or whomever is selling their game.
Whilst a lot of people here are only paying attention to sales in the US, what's most important is that the Xbox One has been an unmitigated flop in Europe so far. Not as big a flop as the Wii U so far, admittedly, but it has still been a flop.
It's no surprise to me personally, Microsoft seems to have done their very best to fuck up the launch of the thing since it was first revealed. They did some big U turns but by then it was too late, the brand was too damaged and also suffered from being the most expensive console despite being less powerful.
It's no surprise to me personally, Microsoft seems to have done their very best to fuck up the launch of the thing since it was first revealed. They did some big U turns but by then it was too late, the brand was too damaged and also suffered from being the most expensive console despite being less powerful.
BenjaminBirdie
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Without a doubt. It's nice to get to Elder Statesman Level. You can finally see the edges of the board.
Windom Earle
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Competition is great, it is just the concept of "both consoles need to sell about the same" that does not hold water.
All this tragic heartfelt 'concern' for a Monopoly is rather silly for reasons not only mentioned in this thread but because PS4 doesn't exist in a vacuum. It still has to contest with other forms of entertainment such as mobile phones and tablets. Sony can't afford to be complacent.
Also sorry about your foot, Amir0x. Hope you get better soon, your posts are missed.
Also sorry about your foot, Amir0x. Hope you get better soon, your posts are missed.
Exact same reason I've never really cared about Xbox. most of the "exclusives" aren't actually exclusives.
If you only count ps4 vs xbox, there are 20 vs 13 retail exclusives in favour of ps4 and 71 vs 15 digital exclusives in favour of ps4 (released I mean).
Listwars are useless but if people want to do them at least they should apply their own rules straight.
Mass_Pincup
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I think you're confusing a monopoly and having a huge market share because at of all the exemple you gave, none are in a monopoly .They all have several competitors even though they are the de facto choice in their market.
Bgamer90, I'm curious, what were your're thoughts about this gen's sales figures before both were announced?
For me it all depended on when both would launch for the most part. Last gen lasted so long that I felt that if one (of the two consoles) had a year head start over the other then that console was in a very good position to win the whole gen. That didn't happen though.
Was spot on with the Wii U's fate due to the horrible name/marketing, and due to the system not being a huge jump over PS3/360. When more rumors came out about the PS4 and Xbox One, it seemed like both systems would release at the same time. Therefore, I thought that the PS4 would beat the Xbox One in sales overall due to the system being part of the more popular brand. I did however think that the Xbox One would still be #1 in North America. I was wrong about that -- this was before MS confirmed the original DRM policies though.
well fanboys will always defend their console of choice, but I wasn't referring to them. I was talking about now developers and the gaming media are saying resolution and framerate don't matter. A complete 180 from last gen.
That was my source for the sums ofc.
Why did you think the Wii U being PS360 level would mean failure? The Wii would suggest the opposite, no?
Oh OK, sorry about that. I thought that you were referring to posters on here themselves making listwars.
It didn't have a mainstream ("casual") gaming hook. The gamepad is far more confusing than the Wiimote for people who aren't big gamers. So I knew that audience wouldn't really be interested.
Thought a huge portion of the core audience wouldn't be interested in it due to the system being at that level. Multiplats the same quality as systems they already had for years; systems with much larger (online) userbases. Felt the system would only attract people who wanted the new Nintendo games. Thought it would do similar to the Gamecube due to that but it's actually doing worse.
I enjoy the Wii U but it's mainly because it's a good second console (alongside my Xbox One). Would hate it if it was the only console I had though.
Oh OK, I can remember on GAF (was a long-time lurker) before both were revealed, there were postings appearing on Glassdoor from a former senior manager from SCEA saying that Orbis would be conservative, and he had little confidence in the console.
Guess we now know why he isn't employed anymore at SCEA - polar opposite of what actually transpired.
I was about to say the same thing.
The only difference is the lack of all the Japanese exclusives, and that's not going to change until the thing actually starts selling in Japan.
I dunno... are you sure Microsoft isn't the only salvation we have from the ever present threat of the "arrogant Sony" boogieman?
Some of the reasoning at play in this thread is just ridiculous.
serversurfer
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So, are SCEA really not doing a GTA bundle? Doesn't that game come out in like two weeks? Are they locked in to doing Destiny bundles instead? Does GTA have comparatively weak pre-orders in the US?
I was thinking a $400 GTA bundle would be pretty megaton. Come January, they could replace the game with a year of PS+. That still increases the perceived value by $50, costs them basically nothing up front, and costs them very little over the year. Best of all, it gets millions of new users hooked on the IGC. Also, it serves as a subtle reminder that Gold costs 20% more.
I was thinking a $400 GTA bundle would be pretty megaton. Come January, they could replace the game with a year of PS+. That still increases the perceived value by $50, costs them basically nothing up front, and costs them very little over the year. Best of all, it gets millions of new users hooked on the IGC. Also, it serves as a subtle reminder that Gold costs 20% more.
Well, then it's a good thing that's not what we'd be dealing with here, even if MS were to exit the industry entirely.
Makes sense, somewhat at least. However, the uPad being more obtuse? The WiiMote has things in common with a TV remote visually, so maybe it's less intimidating, but in terms of actually playing games with it, it's really not like anything anyone had used. Where as the uPad is just a shitty tablet, lots of people, many casual gamers included, have had experiences with tablets.
EDIT: And consoles have never had a chance at being a monopoly, because they're forced to start from scratch every few years. A monopoly develops when a company not only has the product awareness and reach, but when challenging them is futile, because their dominance can't be approached. Consoles aren't like that at all, because every generation is a clean slate. There was a lot of talk about how the XBO would obviously win because people cared about gamerscores and things, and to a degree, that kind of persistent online persona could develop into a more traditional monopoly, but we'd already seen people vacate MySpace on mass, and that wasn't even tied to a hardware platform. I think the console industry is safe, they have to win it honestly every time. Like Nintendo has with handhelds.
PS4 is demolishing sales right now, but Xbox One is no slouch either.
Everybody who identifies as a gamer should really be hoping that Xbox One, and also Wii U sales increase and adjust to a higher baseline for the overall health of this industry that we love.
As Uncle Jacky T used to say, ''a rising tide lifts all boats.''
Everybody who identifies as a gamer should really be hoping that Xbox One, and also Wii U sales increase and adjust to a higher baseline for the overall health of this industry that we love.
As Uncle Jacky T used to say, ''a rising tide lifts all boats.''
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Ehhh, I'm really not too sure about this point. MS changed direction solely because the market demanded it. Hence why it's now all about games rather than all about TV. They've reversed on basically every key point of their console, but that was something that had to be done for them to remain competitive. Which is partly why I think all the Spencer love is strange at the moment - we haven't actually seen much of his impact yet. Sure, we've got a new Crackdown and GoW coming, but those were presumably in the pipeline before he actually became el jefe this year.
BruiserBear
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I think it's quite obvious the reason the PS4 caught up in worldwide sales was purely a result of Sony's brand power internationally over Microsoft. The Sony brand is strong in a lot of the world. Microsoft and Xbox is not. Plenty of people were happy with their 360's til the very end, precisely because it had all those better performing multiplatform games, and the exclusives it got tended to be high quality.
All of the sudden? Games like Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, MCC, they don't materialize over night. Despite their TV push, they were still funding lots of games for their new platform.
Sony had better have a huge 2015 lineup, considering what happened in 2014. As far as I'm aware their first half retail lineup consists of The Order and Bloodborne. The Order is only coming out in February because it was delayed from this fall. Not exactly something to be bragged about.
There is something ironic about you preemptively using the word "coasting" in regards to Microsoft next year, when in the eyes of many that's precisely what Sony has done this year. But that's not how it works with you, right?
googleplex
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Holy shit, I gave the thread a cursory glance and it seemed like everyone was listing Sony as last.
And that's why you don't put any stock in NeoGAF.
From that thread
Ouch....embarrassing.
FinalStageBoss
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lol@ the levels of salt in this thread.
and people keep bringing up exclusives as if the general audience gives a fuck. If Xbox wins next month it'll be due to the dirt cheap price drops and CoD. Not fucking Sunset Overdrive or Halo.
and people keep bringing up exclusives as if the general audience gives a fuck. If Xbox wins next month it'll be due to the dirt cheap price drops and CoD. Not fucking Sunset Overdrive or Halo.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Sure, they funded games for their new platform, they kind of have to. But that's ignoring the fact that they largely neglected the 360 from 2011-2013, which is what the other poster was stating.
And seriously, did your PS4 injure you in your sleep or something? You really seem to have a bone to pick with Sony, whether they be topics like the OS or how The Order is going to be shit. The output from both MS and Sony for all of 2014 could largely be seen as coasting though. There was nothing truly compelling from either party, and that's ok. Like others have said, exclusives aren't as massive a deal in console sales as GAF may lead one to believe.
While it might be a weakness for right now, they would have to spin up an ad campaign for the exclusivity thing fast because come February, that is something they can't attack (and if anything it can be used against them for that quarter)
God I wish we could get a really good narration by Ron Perlman like he does for the Fallout games to do one about console wars.
"War. Console War never changes."
Don't lie, you all read that in his voice.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Yep, interestingly though, I think the best average Japan sales (non-Holiday period) that PS4 could hope for is 20k a week.
serversurfer
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Wait, what? 2013 MS was the real MS all along. Do you understand how Microsoft became Microsoft in the first place?
2014 MS is nothing more than the XBox division trying to hurriedly re-don their Sheep's Clothing. They got the Embrace & Extend part of J Allard's plan right, but thankfully, they were a little too quick with the Extinguish, and most people then remembered who they were actually dealing with.
It's never been "for the gamers." It's always been "for MS." The end goal wasn't getting all the money by providing you with the best entertainment possible. The goal was taking control of your entertainment so they can tax you by allowing you to access it. Microsoft have never been interested in competing with anyone. Their bread and butter has always been leveraging monopoly positions, so to them, "competition" is simply a matter of establishing said monopoly. That's why it's so ironic to hear their supporters now cry, "B-but, competition!!" ><
BotoxAgent
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Yeah, if Sony is demolishing them right now even if they "haz no games!! Omg". They are going to get trampled next year.
BruiserBear
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He was stating that as a reason the PS3 caught up, which I think there is no evidence to suggest is true.
Do you see the conflict in attempting to argue how neglected the 360 was late in it's life, while ignoring the fact that Sony seemed to be ill prepared for the PS4's first year? Their marquee exclusive this fall was a game that was delayed from launch last year, and finally came out with severe online issues and lists of features that will arrive one day via a patch.
You're trying to make this about me. My complaints with any company on this forum come from a place of wanting to be pleased with my console purchase. The PS4 has not met my expectations so far, and there are plenty of concrete reasons for anyone to feel that way.
The press are the ones saying things that suggest The Order may be shit, not me. I've had my hopes high for that game, and I'm bummed out to hear negative hands on impressions, but I've still got some optimism left for it.
That may be your opinion, but review scores and the opinions of many would disagree whole heartedly.
And yet you started this post arguing that the 360 was neglected at the end of it's life because it didn't have enough exclusives......
LBP3 is Sony's marquee exclusive this fall, not Driveclub.
You were pretty sure that the release of titanfall would start the rise of xbo and the closing of the gap with ps4 in NA and that was well after the DRM policy. Then you switched to the phil spencer moto of only the holidays matter.
It'll be more than just "Bloodborne" & "The Order:1886" that'll be out through retail, not to mention Japanese 3rd party games.
Also, do you think that PS4 gamers don't like indie games &/or digital only games as well (like the upcoming "No Man's Sky")? Why do you think that we keep seeing "Playstation Store Gift Cards" (through digital codes) in the top 3 of "Amazon's Best Sellers list of video games?" Certainly not just for buying the bigger budget games digitally.
I never said that Sony hasn't been coasting this year. As a matter of fact, if you were to look at the history of Sony's 1st year of consoles, they have always turned out to be poor in terms of 1st/2nd party exclusives, & PS4 is no different.
Once the 2nd year comes around, that's when we start to see a lot of exclusives coming from them.
lonedigitalwolf
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It's a well known fact, some just choose to forget.
Why is there so much discussion about exclusives? Either they are not important and we're right now evidence for that.
Or they are important and the market remembers how much better Playstation supports their systems than Xbox and feel more confident buying those because they get guaranteed quality in return years from now.
In the end the actual statistics need to be reconciled with whatever argument someone is trying to make.
Or they are important and the market remembers how much better Playstation supports their systems than Xbox and feel more confident buying those because they get guaranteed quality in return years from now.
In the end the actual statistics need to be reconciled with whatever argument someone is trying to make.
It tells you nothing other than SCEJA has decided to bundle GTA V with the PS4. SCEA, SCEE and SCEJA all handle bundles differently and independently.
GTA5 Bundle IS confirmed for Japan. What does that tell you?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5-ps4-bundle-coming-to-japan/1100-6423180/
PS3 exclusives were more and were of even higher quality, especially from ND during the PS3 era, then you have the likes of Infamous, demon souls, God of War,
multiplats helped the 360, exclusives are one of main the reason PS3 was able to catch up, cause as usual Sony WWS just produce better recognised games
What about the positive impressions, big lines at most game conferences and about over 20 awards it won at E3
But wasnt Quantum Break also delayed, even all the way to next year September, yet Xbox fans brag about it, both are still new ips coming out on either consoles, So why cant PS4 fans brag about theirs
...........Oh wait its Bruiser Bear talking about Sony
Dreams-Visions
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Sony approached the generation with a better attitude, pricing and hardware, and got rewarded for it.
Not much else to see here.
Not much else to see here.
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