Console wars never change.
Nah, it's pretty different this gen. Now apparently resolution and framerate don't matter. Strange.
Console wars never change.
Console wars never change.
Nah, it's pretty different this gen. Now apparently resolution and framerate don't matter. Strange.
PS4 now has a big lead worldwide, & it's looking like it won't ever be changing. PS4 also has a ton of exclusive games coming out next year, where as Xbox One doesn't have anything huge for the 1st half of 2015. Microsoft's hoping that many people will buy Xbox One's for Halo: MCC this holiday, & hope that a lot of people will play that during the 1st half of 2015 while forgetting about their dry exclusive lineup of that mark. Sorry Charlie, that's not how it works with me.
Don't forget that in territories outside the US PC gaming is a very big thing, I have personally never owned a xbox product simply because of the fact that so many of their exclusives come to PC, if Sony like Microsoft would start releasing their exclusives on PC, I would stop buying playstation products as well, the more PC gamers are prevalent in an area, the more it matters.
Console wars never change.
Today I learned that competition is over rated. Oh Gaf.
Don't forget that in territories outside the US PC gaming is a very big thing, I have personally never owned a xbox product simply because of the fact that so many of their exclusives come to PC, if Sony like Microsoft would start releasing their exclusives on PC, I would stop buying playstation products as well, the more PC gamers are prevalent in an area, the more it matters.
Well considering the topic is about XB1 & PS4... (Notice how this is a console comparison topic that doesn't involve PC?)
can we just get away from this "oh i hope xbone sells as good as ps4 because competition..."
let's not use what we read in high school textbooks as an argument.
the automatic negative connotation attached to monopolies should have died in the 90s.
the market leaders of today are the ones who keep on innovating, on pouring money on r&d, and most likely are the ones who explore new ways of doing things, of trying out new tricks, of taking more risks.
why? they all don't want to lose their market share.
"oh they'll become complacent!"
look around you. look at the past 15 years or so. amazon, apple, google, etc. a lot of the forward-thinking companies have expanded beyond their scope, have transformed and they continue to do so. no market leader us there resting on their laurels. in fact, they've been so aggressive at being ahead of everyone. 9 years and youtube is still the de facto video-sharing website.
look at playstation. they are doing morpheus, shareplay, psnow, broadcast, remote play, etc. all before they even knew that they're gonna take the lead. that's how businesses operate now. okay, except oil and gas companies but they're going away anyway.
so don't come here with monopoly=always bad, competition=always good baloney that you read on page 1 of your high school textbook. if some company can't keep up with the market leader's offerings, then so be it. there is nothing evil or wrong with that, nor will it kill the industry.
Yep. Very funny thread.
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No, it's pretty much the same -- just a different side saying it.
Same things were said when EA Sports games ran in a better framerate on the 360 during the first few years of last gen.
If you only count ps4 vs xbox, there are 20 vs 13 retail exclusives in favour of ps4 and 71 vs 15 digital exclusives in favour of ps4.
Listwars are useless but if people want to do them at least they should apply their own rules straight.
Bgamer90, I'm curious, what were your're thoughts about this gen's sales figures before both were announced?
Yep. Very funny thread.
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No, it's pretty much the same -- just a different side saying it.
Same things were said when EA Sports games ran in a better framerate on the 360 during the first few years of last gen.
Why did you think the Wii U being PS360 level would mean failure? The Wii would suggest the opposite, no?For me it all depended on when both would launch for the most part. Last gen lasted so long that I felt that if one (of the two consoles) had a year head start over the other then that console was in a very good position to win the whole gen. That didn't happen though.
Was spot on with the Wii U's fate due to the horrible name/marketing, and due to the system not being a huge jump over PS3/360. When more rumors came out about the PS4 and Xbox One, it seemed like both systems would release at the same time. Therefore, I thought that the PS4 would beat the Xbox One in sales overall due to the system being part of the more popular brand. I did however think that the Xbox One would still be #1 in North America. I was wrong about that -- this was before MS confirmed the original DRM policies though.
That was my source for the sums ofc.
Why did you think the Wii U being PS360 level would mean failure? The Wii would suggest the opposite, no?
For me it all depended on when both would launch for the most part. Last gen lasted so long that I felt that if one (of the two consoles) had a year head start over the other then that console was in a very good position to win the whole gen. That didn't happen though.
Was spot on with the Wii U's fate due to the horrible name/marketing, and due to the system not being a huge jump over PS3/360. When more rumors came out about the PS4 and Xbox One, it seemed like both systems would release at the same time. Therefore, I thought that the PS4 would beat the Xbox One in sales overall due to the system being part of the more popular brand. I did however think that the Xbox One would still be #1 in North America. I was wrong about that -- this was before MS confirmed the original DRM policies though.
Damn Sony is demolishing. looks like the ps2 era again...
All this tragic heartfelt 'concern' for a Monopoly is rather silly for reasons not only mentioned in this thread but because PS4 doesn't exist in a vacuum. It still has to contest with other forms of entertainment such as mobile phones and tablets. Sony can't afford to be complacent.
Well, then it's a good thing that's not what we'd be dealing with here, even if MS were to exit the industry entirely.A true monopoly is never a good thing. Anyone who tells you otherwise has very little understanding of how economics works.
Makes sense, somewhat at least. However, the uPad being more obtuse? The WiiMote has things in common with a TV remote visually, so maybe it's less intimidating, but in terms of actually playing games with it, it's really not like anything anyone had used. Where as the uPad is just a shitty tablet, lots of people, many casual gamers included, have had experiences with tablets.It didn't have a mainstream ("casual") gaming hook. The gamepad is far more confusing than the Wiimote for people who aren't big gamers. So I knew that audience wouldn't really be interested.
Thought a huge portion of the core audience wouldn't be interested in it due to the system being at that level. Multiplats the same quality as systems they already had for years; systems with much larger (online) userbases. Felt the system would only attract people who wanted the new Nintendo games. Thought it would do similar to the Gamecube due to that but it's actually doing worse.
I enjoy the Wii U but it's mainly because it's a good second console (alongside my Xbox One). Would hate it if it was the only console I had though.
The MS from mid 2013 does not exist anymore.
Which is one of the very reasons why PS3 have caught up to Xbox 360 in worldwide sales, despite Kinect being successful for MS & despite having a larger gap in sales than PS3 in the U.S.
E3 2010, Microsoft has completely sold out the core gamers in favor of Kinect & Media focus while only having Halo, Gears, Forza (& sometimes Fable) as exclusives since that time. Then Microsoft went further & further with the media focus on Xbox One about "TV, TV, TV, Sports, TV," etc. in an attempt to hope that the Average Joe would buy their console for cable, etc. Heck, the first Xbox One commercial was about the NFL, not about the games.
When that didn't work, Microsoft were now all of a sudden "about the gamers" again. But it's too late, as first impressions of consoles are always longer lasting within average consumers.
PS4 now has a big lead worldwide, & it's looking like it won't ever be changing. PS4 also has a ton of exclusive games coming out next year, where as Xbox One doesn't have anything huge for the 1st half of 2015. Microsoft's hoping that many people will buy Xbox One's for Halo: MCC this holiday, & hope that a lot of people will play that during the 1st half of 2015 while forgetting about their dry exclusive lineup of that mark & Microsoft hoping that they could start coasting through those months with that collection alone. Sorry Charlie, that's not how it works with me.
Holy shit, I gave the thread a cursory glance and it seemed like everyone was listing Sony as last.
And that's why you don't put any stock in NeoGAF.
The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse.
Quote me in 2 or 3 years. I know when something is about to bomb. Sony is very easy to read, even Patcher can do it.
All of the sudden? Games like Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, MCC, they don't materialize over night. Despite their TV push, they were still funding lots of games for their new platform.
Sony had better have a huge 2015 lineup, considering what happened in 2014. As far as I'm aware their first half retail lineup consists of The Order and Bloodborne. The Order is only coming out in February because it was delayed from this fall. Not exactly something to be bragged about.
There is something ironic about you preemptively using the word "coasting" in regards to Microsoft next year, when in the eyes of many that's precisely what Sony has done this year. But that's not how it works with you, right?
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Figuratively go at PlayStation's throat. Hit them where it hurts and highlight their weakness (currently 1st party throughput and their network) like a political ad campaign. Other than that they better pray that MCC is a massive hit. I can't see anyone but a Halo fan buying that though.
Console wars never change.
From that thread
Ouch....embarrassing.
The race is over, PS4 is already too far ahead. Will be interesting to see if the PS4 takes off in Japan next year, the lead could get much further.
Wait, what? 2013 MS was the real MS all along. Do you understand how Microsoft became Microsoft in the first place?The MS from mid 2013 does not exist anymore.
I think ms will be able to put up a fight this holiday but they really have nothing in 2015 until fall. Sales will likely drop like a rock and will be even worse if they raise the price back to $399 without even a game.
Sure, they funded games for their new platform, they kind of have to. But that's ignoring the fact that they largely neglected the 360 from 2011-2013, which is what the other poster was stating.
And seriously, did your PS4 injure you in your sleep or something? You really seem to have a bone to pick with Sony, whether they be topics like the OS or how The Order is going to be shit.
The output from both MS and Sony for all of 2014 could largely be seen as coasting though. There was nothing truly compelling from either party, and that's ok.
Like others have said, exclusives aren't as massive a deal in console sales as GAF may lead one to believe.
Do you see the conflict in attempting to argue how neglected the 360 was late in it's life, while ignoring the fact that Sony seemed to be ill prepared for the PS4's first year? Their marquee exclusive this fall was a game that was delayed from launch last year, and finally came out with severe online issues and lists of features that will arrive one day via a patch.
For me it all depended on when both would launch for the most part. Last gen lasted so long that I felt that if one (of the two consoles) had a year head start over the other then that console was in a very good position to win the whole gen. That didn't happen though.
Was spot on with the Wii U's fate due to the horrible name/marketing, and due to the system not being a huge jump over PS3/360. When more rumors came out about the PS4 and Xbox One, it seemed like both systems would release at the same time. Therefore, I thought that the PS4 would beat the Xbox One in sales overall due to the system being part of the more popular brand. I did however think that the Xbox One would still be #1 in North America. I was wrong about that -- this was before MS confirmed the original DRM policies though.
Sony had better have a huge 2015 lineup, considering what happened in 2014. As far as I'm aware their first half retail lineup consists of The Order and Bloodborne. The Order is only coming out in February because it was delayed from this fall. Not exactly something to be bragged about.
There is something ironic about you preemptively using the word "coasting" in regards to Microsoft next year, when in the eyes of many that's precisely what Sony has done this year. But that's not how it works with you, right?
lol@ the levels of salt in this thread.
and people keep bringing up exclusives as if the general audience gives a fuck. If Xbox wins next month it'll be due to the dirt cheap price drops and CoD. Not fucking Sunset Overdrive or Halo.
It tells you nothing other than SCEJA has decided to bundle GTA V with the PS4. SCEA, SCEE and SCEJA all handle bundles differently and independently.GTA5 Bundle IS confirmed for Japan. What does that tell you?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5-ps4-bundle-coming-to-japan/1100-6423180/
Not confirmed.
I think it's quite obvious the reason the PS4 caught up in worldwide sales was purely a result of Sony's brand power internationally over Microsoft. The Sony brand is strong in a lot of the world. Microsoft and Xbox is not. Plenty of people were happy with their 360's til the very end, precisely because it had all those better performing multiplatform games, and the exclusives it got tended to be high quality.
All of the sudden? Games like Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, MCC, they don't materialize over night. Despite their TV push, they were still funding lots of games for their new platform.
Sony had better have a huge 2015 lineup, considering what happened in 2014. As far as I'm aware their first half retail lineup consists of The Order and Bloodborne. The Order is only coming out in February because it was delayed from this fall. Not exactly something to be bragged about.
There is something ironic about you preemptively using the word "coasting" in regards to Microsoft next year, when in the eyes of many that's precisely what Sony has done this year. But that's not how it works with you, right?
He was stating that as a reason the PS3 caught up, which I think there is no evidence to suggest is true.
Do you see the conflict in attempting to argue how neglected the 360 was late in it's life, while ignoring the fact that Sony seemed to be ill prepared for the PS4's first year? Their marquee exclusive this fall was a game that was delayed from launch last year, and finally came out with severe online issues and lists of features that will arrive one day via a patch.
You're trying to make this about me. My complaints with any company on this forum come from a place of wanting to be pleased with my console purchase. The PS4 has not met my expectations so far, and there are plenty of concrete reasons for anyone to feel that way.
The press are the ones saying things that suggest The Order may be shit, not me. I've had my hopes high for that game, and I'm bummed out to hear negative hands on impressions, but I've still got some optimism left for it.
That may be your opinion, but review scores and the opinions of many would disagree whole heartedly.
And yet you started this post arguing that the 360 was neglected at the end of it's life because it didn't have enough exclusives......
I think it's quite obvious the reason the PS4 caught up in worldwide sales was purely a result of Sony's brand power internationally over Microsoft. The Sony brand is strong in a lot of the world. Microsoft and Xbox is not. Plenty of people were happy with their 360's til the very end, precisely because it had all those better performing multiplatform games, and the exclusives it got tended to be high quality.
All of the sudden? Games like Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, MCC, they don't materialize over night. Despite their TV push, they were still funding lots of games for their new platform.
Sony had better have a huge 2015 lineup, considering what happened in 2014. As far as I'm aware their first half retail lineup consists of The Order and Bloodborne. The Order is only coming out in February because it was delayed from this fall. Not exactly something to be bragged about.
There is something ironic about you preemptively using the word "coasting" in regards to Microsoft next year, when in the eyes of many that's precisely what Sony has done this year. But that's not how it works with you, right?